RShara

The strength of the Copper burner is also a factor. So they'd need a lot to pierce The Lord Ruler's coppercloud. Not quite as much to pierce Elend's. A coppercloud doesn't affect yourself, iirc, so TLR wouldn't need to pierce his own coppercloud.

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I meant about knowing everything.

Read every book and WoB at least three times and remember them all

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

It's true.

Please teach me.

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

If you want credibility on the shard you read every book, and spend hours and hours reading WoB and the coppermind

And @RShara still finds a way to know more than you.

Don't worry, I still put my pants on one leg at a time.

7 hours ago, Quantus said:

There's a tiny bit of wriggle-room in that it's specific about Darkeyes, so from this we couldnt say whether somebody that is already Lighteyes might have their eye-color changed without actually being lightened.

7 hours ago, Impact said:

That's true.  They do never mention lighteyes changing colors.  Maybe there is something about them not

 

Like, did Dalinar and Shallan's eyes change to yellow and purple?

We know that they don't. Shallan's eyes are still blue. Basically, the portion of the spiritweb that's responsible for eye color can only be changed once.

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Questioner

My question has to do with the color of Shallan's eyes currently, because we've noticed over the books that Kaladin's eyes, as he's continued to use his Surge, changed to lighter and lighter blue. Whereas one could argue that Shallan is farther in her Ideals than Kaladin is, yet her eyes have not changed at all.

Brandon Sanderson

Right, 'cause they were already light.

Questioner

'Cause they were already light? So it only affects lightness or darkness in the eyes, not necessarily any other color?

Brandon Sanderson

It's not like it is-- It's not like it's saying "Light minus 50%".

Questioner

It's not like Honor is blue and--

Brandon Sanderson

No. It is not. It is just kind of the way that the changes the Stormlight is making the body and certain people are already descended from people who had repeated, over time, changes by the body which stopped physically... That's not to say that all lighteyes that's where they came from. There are some that are natural mutations.

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I'm pretty sure if you are darkeyes, your eyes turn to the color of the Order the Blade is from.

12 minutes ago, Frustration said:

And you once lectured me for not getting a joke.

Moash's eyes turned a pale tan, didn't they? So it should be a Stoneward blade.

On 7/26/2020 at 2:02 PM, Frustration said:

Plot twist his original name is Adonalsium. 

Hoid is actually confirmed to not be Adonalsium

1 hour ago, Krox said:

Do we know it's relative location in the physical realm? As in, do we have any clue which planet it is closest to?

Nope! Hopefully we'll find out soon.

24 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

relevant WoB on them

thats about as detailed as Brandon has been on the Subject

Also, that WoB is about Roshar, rather than Scadrial.

43 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Who are the Ire, what is their goal, and what are they doing on Scadrial? Don't they belong on Sel?

Have you finished Secret History? Their goal is pretty apparent there.

22 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

What is WoB? I'm new.

Word of Brandon. Things Brandon has said during signings, interviews, and the like.

Different worldhoppers would have different goals. They're people, just people who have figured out how to travel between world. And as people, they have disparate goals and motivations.

We don't know much about them, just that they're a worldhopping group, and that they mostly believe that planets shouldn't be interfered with (by worldhoppers, other Shards, etc). Frost seems to be a high ranking member or leader. And some of them are hunting for Hoid.

In the recent Stormlight Update, Brandon said that they'd just barely started receiving the sketches from Michael Whelan. So it's going to be a while until it's ready.

7 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

 

@RShara

It's not an offering. It's a bane, Vasher had to give it up.  We don't know what her options for Boon / Bane. 

As far as things we've been told the Nightwatcher can do, she told Dalinar she can give him the blade. If she can give she can take. 

If she can't give or take objects I guess she gave that guy directions to where he can buy cloth cheap and turn around sell it for a profit back home? Or did she leave the Valley to brainwash a guy into giving the boon requester free cloth or steal he cloth from outside the Valley? 

Cloth is made from plants in many cases. She could have made it for him. More plausible than giving him a coupon for cloth he needs to turn in elsewhere. 

I think the seeker comes in asking for something and they leave the Valley with a boon / bane. I think she works with what she's got then and there. We don't know this, but that's my impression.

@Eternal Khol 

Cultivation would have had to tell the Nightwatcher about the blade, who has it where they will be in the future and how best to get it from them. Then Nightwatcher would have to relay that to Nale. 

Otherwise the boon is telling someone "There's a blade out there". 

 

Or she knew that she could ask Cultivation to obtain the Blade for her, then give it to the requester.

I'm not saying the Nightwatcher definitely didn't have it. I'm saying there's more than one option here, other than that.

3 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

I could be wrong. We don't know what her limits are from the text. She may or may not be able to give and take physical objects. I just think the simplest explanation is she offered it because it was surrendered to her previously and it is still in the Valley. 

Nightwatcher Storage Unit

I don't think she carries it on her person, but she could have it in a special trove of all the things people have given her over thousands of years. Stormfather pulled Kaladin into that black void in WoK and WoR. Maybe she has something like that.

Or she has people drop the objects in that dense, creepy jungle. She could grow the plants to cover over objects. Wyndle can open locks by growing seeds. No one would find the objects unless she lets them. 

Giving or Guiding? 

"A Blade that bleeds darkness and cannot be defeated. I can give it to you" - OB Ch 114

It sounds like she's giving it, not telling people "go to this person and ask for it. If not rob them or kill them. Hope it works out."  

It's an awfully specific description too. She's not the Stormfather who flies over the entire continent and sees what's outside. How does she know where the blade is located and how a person can get it in the near future? How does she know it exists at all? Yeah, Fortune / future-sight, but that's not perfect even for a Shard and she's not that. Cultivation hadn't visited her in centuries prior to Ch. 114 of OB, so she wouldn't have told the Nightwatcher about it. 

I don't think she's giving people fortune-telling sessions and sending them on their way in the hopes that her reading of future events is accurate. 

Also, Is she really going to have them leave the Valley with their bane, but not the boon? 

"There is buried treasure at this spot in Azir. Take care getting to it your feet permanently numb." 

But she doesn't take offerings from people, that we've ever been told. She gives things, sometimes physical, sometimes not, then also gives a curse to go with it. There's no offerings involved, so where would she have gotten the pile of cloth?

Also, sitting in a cave for umpteenth years would be really bad for cloth.

Cultivation says she hasn't intervened in centuries, not that she hasn't seen the Nightwatcher in centuries.

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YOU MUST FORGIVE MY DAUGHTER, the woman said. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN CENTURIES I’VE COME PERSONALLY TO SPEAK WITH ONE OF YOU.

Depends on the situation and the location and the resources available to each one. Need more details.

Shadesmar is the colloquial term for the Cognitive Realm, yes. And the Cognitive Realm is shaped by thought and perception. So the CR for each planet is going to be different, depending on the thoughts and perceptions and culture of the people who live there.

17 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

i kinda like this theory, but i dont think the Nightwatcher would give the same boon/bane twice.

 

 

i dont think she ever had it. she just knew it was on Roshar and was something she was capable of granting to someone

Same. I don't think she had it with her physically. She could either get it to give to someone who asked, or she would tell them how/where to get it. Like, she probably doesn't have a pile of cloth in a cave to give away in case someone asks for it, either, as an example.

Just now, Tekiny said:

 

Like somehow getting Connection to Preservation?

Not sure if that would be enough. I think some sort of fabrial that can affect Spiritual properties would be needed. But we don't know enough to really speculate.

I think you would need to have more than Physical apparatus to do it, since the mists and their power isn't strictly Physical. Some sort of Spiritual distillation, perhaps.

The Coppermind lists all of Hoid's known powers and abilities: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Hoid

Everything we know about Hoid: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Hoid

That didn't really sound like an oath to me. Merely a statement of how dangerous the sword is and that he didn't plan to draw it again.

4 hours ago, Bzhydack said:

So, Szeth at the end of Oathbringer is 3Ideal Skybreaker, bonded with Highspren. He sworn not to use Nightblood in second part of Battle on Thaylen Fields. But why he dont use his Shardblade? 3d Ideal is standard for other Orders to gain Shardblade, is this different for Skybreakers?

I don't remember him swearing not to use NB in the second part of the battle? He might have decided not to, since it almost killed him a few minutes before...

He doesn't swear the Third Oath until after the battle and everything, so he didn't really get a chance to use it. He probably could summon it now, but it would not surprise me if his spren is a little wary of Nightblood.