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She's far more interested in NIghtblood than in Vasher. Ironic, since if she had stayed, she would have found him

Odium isn't bound by the Oathpact. The Oathpact was between the Heralds and Honor, and involved the Fused. Odium was bound by Honor and Cultivation, long before the Oathpact. A Shard spending enough time on a world is enough to begin Investing in it, so I think Odium has invested in both Roshar and Braize at this point. You're right that we have very little info on how Honor was killed or what is binding Odium, so it'll be really interesting to find those things out.

We're not sure if that's how magic worked before whatever screwed up the planet. Just that it's how magic (probably) works there now.

It's not killing someone that makes you a warrior/lower caste. It's picking up a weapon.

I actually didn't. But both points should hold true nonetheless

Ooohhh. Man my brain is having trouble today. Remember that if the Shin have a cache of Shardblades, only a few of them would know about it any more. 90% of Shin are not warriors and would have no idea how to use a Shardblade. They also believe that fighting is beneath them. It'd take time for their leaders to convince them that it was okay this time, and to train them in usage. So you'd have the Stone Shamans and their acolytes, vs the Alethi who are very much warriors, and whose officers have mostly trained with a Shardblade at least a few times, in order to be familiar with them.

Don't make me hate you

Do you mean the Desolation? Well, first they'd have to acknowledge that it was occurring....

I disagree that Odium is passion. I have to say that. But let's not debate it (agree to disagree, please don't start. Look at at you Leyrann ). But you're thinking of hatred as a hot firebrand type thing. Remember the saying that "Revenge is best served cold." Hatred can be, and often is, coldly calculated, planned and exacted. Think of someone who is completely devoured by their hatred of a person or object. The lengths and calculations and steps they will figure out and go through to resolve that hatred. Time, effort, money and emotion are all devoured by that hatred and the singular focus on that goal leaves no room for any other emotion, even anger. That's what I see Odium as. (And also one of the reasons I don't think he's Passion )

Sure, whatever works for you

No, because they've known before about being the original Voidbringers and didn't freak out. So yes, Honor reassured them, which was great. This time, he not only didn't reassure them, he promised they would destroy the world. Destroying the world in the near future is a WAY bigger issue than some even that happened thousands of years in the past. The Stormfather clinches it when he says, " They tried to protect the world. " Not they felt guilty. Not they sought repentence. They tried. To protect. The world.

I don't remember if I pasted this at the beginning, so here it is again. The Stormfather specifically says it is not because the humans were the voidbringers but because they well and truly feared they would destroy the planet.

Absolutely. (No, me accidentally offending someone)

That happens to me all the time too.

Alderant is correct. Pattern forced Shallan to speak the 4th Truth in her room at Urithiru. Personally, there are times I find the characters boring, and times when I find them interesting. Since that's true of normal people as well, that makes them realistic

I don't see any deliberate insults here. I see a miscommunication and people expressing unhappiness because of it.

Actually, he thinks that if Alethkar is successful, then the continent would be speaking Alethi. Jah Keved speaks Veden. Similar, but different. And it's about motivation. The Alethi are very war like, so they would definitely embark on conquest. The Shin are isolationsts, and if they only went to war to acquire the Shardblades and Plates, it would make sense for them to then withdraw back to their protection of said Shards.

How about we all assume apologies for any inadvertent or deliberate personal denigrations, and move on before the thread gets locked? Who's with me?

Agreed.

I didn't like it either. I feel like, saying "It's complicated in a way that isn't to everyone's taste" is one thing, but "It's just too complicated for you to understand" is kinda insulting.

Guys, let's make sure to stick to the debate, and not the person.

Also he didn't have a lot of money in WoK. In WoR, he disappears a few times, and Kaladin asks him about it. OB we actually get from his perspective what he's been doing.

Guys, arguing about opinion is really not going to get anyone anywhere Some people liked how OB went, some didn't. Each opinion is valid, and I hope that if OB disappointed you, that SA 4+ will be more what you are hoping for. I, personally, would do a reread of the entire series, checking for foreshadowing and hints as to things that you didn't expect, to see if they are there, before claiming they shouldn't be there, but that's me.

Nope, sorry.

No.