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Hoid can interfere, what i meant is he can not directly fight shards. And i know shards fight each other but if there is some sort of formal contract, they are bound by that.
He can't directly fight Shards because they would wipe him from existence with barely a thought, not because of any contract
4 hours ago, TheWarriorPoet said:5 hours ago, RShara said:Odium and Honor directly interfered in both Ashyn and Roshar until they agreed on the contract between the three of them.
Exactly my point
No, your point was they agreed to a contract at the Shattering. This was done only among the 3 Shards, thousands of years after the Shattering. If a pact already bound them, they wouldn't need to agree amongst themselves.
QuoteI didnt find any definitive answer to hoid being unable to kill because of Dawnshard, maybe i missed something but on coppermind i found something, in one line it says what you are saying, in the very next line it says lumanor says hoid can't hurt others because it is forbidden by other gods, pretty sure other gods here means shards and not dawnshards. I am attaching screenshot
This was explained to you on Discord. The Dawnshard is the reason why Hoid can't kill or fight. We see Sigzil having the same problem after he carried it for a much shorter period.
The Coppermind quote is specifically a tale told by Rock to Kaladin. Filtered through his people's myths and legends and religion, he believes that the god he thinks Hoid is was bound by the other gods. It's a mythological tale and should not be taken as fact.
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Just now, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:
Yeah I knew. 'Twas a joke.
Ooops sorry!
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8 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:
Hoid can't harm stuff because of the Exist Dawnshard, except Kelsier for some reason.
Because he wasn't *actually* harming Kelsier. Kelsier only felt pain and injury because he thought he should. As soon as Kelsier got his brain to stop being stupid, the pain went away and he was fine
QuoteAlright, waiting for Odium to burn through all the Shards? ChatGPT obviously hasn't read WaT yet I'm afraid.
Not entirely sure the OP has either....
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So to reiterate from what I said on Discord:
Hoid is absolutely interfering with the Shards
Hoid can't hurt or kill because of holding the Dawnshard Exist. You can see it affecting Sigzil the same way
Adonalsium being reformed in any way is too similar to Wheel of Time for Brandon to want to doRuin and Preservation, Honor and Odium, definitely
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No direct violence between Vessels.
These three are shown in the text to not be the case
Ruin and Preservation directly clash multiple times
Honor and Odium directly clash multiple times
Odium got Devotion and Dominion to directly clash, then swooped in and killed them both
Odium directly clashed with Ambition and Splintered her (Mercy was involved in this somehow).
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No direct interference in mortal wars.
Ruin directly controlled the koloss, the Inquisitors and the kandra. Ruin *created* wars.
Odium and Honor directly interfered in both Ashyn and Roshar until they agreed on the contract between the three of them.
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No unification of the Shards.
Sazed would like to have a word with you
QuoteWhat if Hoid’s true motive was always to remove Adonalsium from the board — not to take power for himself, but to ensure no one else could stop him later?
It's strongly implied that Hoid's true motive is to bring someone back from the Beyond, and that he was for the Shattering in order to change the rules enough to do so.
You said on Discord that you used ChatGPT to help you write this, which explains a lot of the incorrect premises. ChatGPT is usually only correct something like 20-30% of the time. Don't use it
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All right, God of Insects, Dusk said in his mind.
Chapter 46, this is the only time God of Insects is capitalized. All other instances are lower case
So in the version, most of the references to the mainland as where people lived have been removed. Currently the mainland is considered cold and inhospitable
Quote“It’s never made sense,” Chief Second of the Palm said, “when people say we came from the mainland. It’s a frozen wasteland. Felt like nonsense to me that we would be born somewhere so close. No, we sailed long distances—my son still practices the old arts. We came from far away.”
However, in the flashbacks, Vathi still considers Sak a mainland bird, which doesn't quite fit in with the mainland being a frozen wasteland.
QuoteThat’s a mainlander bird,” she said. She held up the light. “I knew it was when I first saw it. The sharper beak, the black feathers, more sleek. I assumed it wasn’t an Aviar, because mainlander birds can’t bestow talents.”
Dusk turned away and continued cutting.
“You brought a mainlander chick to the Pantheon,” Vathi whispered. “And it gained a talent.”
QuoteShe grabbed a piece of half-rotten fruit nearby and pulled it apart. Tiny glowing worms squirmed in the flesh of the fruit. A similar light seemed to glow in her eyes as she realized. “It’s not the birds. It never has been… It’s a parasite. They carry a parasite that bestows talents! That’s why those raised away from the islands cannot gain the abilities, and why a mainland bird you brought here could.”
So is Sak still from the frozen wasteland mainland somehow, or should those be changed to homeisles instead?
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On 4/3/2023 at 10:46 AM, Silverlight_Sage said:
Not sure if this counts as a typo, but when I finally got my premium hardcover I went through to look at the illustrations and noticed that the Xisis portrait was a few pages too early. It appeared while Crow and Tress were still aboard the ship right after Crow fought them all. I didn’t remember this in effect spoiling the end of the chapter when I read the ebook, so I checked it and found the image appeared at the end of the chapter in the ebook edition.
Not a big deal, but just wondering was this a common thing in others’ premium hardcover editions or just mine?
Yeah it's normal. They print/bind pages in sets of 16 (hmmm) so any full color images have to be put in between those bunches. So full color images are often a little before or after the "perfect" place in the pbook. Not a problem in ebooks, of course.
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In the alt-text for the Part 1 Marginalia doodles, it says "Mervin is started when the tall sales-wizard..." This should probably be "startled" instead.
Also, it should say "Santa Claus" not "Santa Clause".
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I think that Kelsier is the one who had the Bands drained. He wants to promote tensions between the N and S in order to force technological advancement, and realized that the North "secretly" draining the Bands would cause major bad feelings between them.
He was in the South just very recently and was on an airship back North when Marasi and Moonlight tried to contact him.
And Kelsier is the Survivor in the North, head of a major religion, and the Sovereign in the South. If he wanted to, he could easily get both continents to work together. But having them at odds works better for the future of Scadrial (in Kelsier's opinion).
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On 7/20/2022 at 11:03 AM, cometaryorbit said:
True. But "he left several" implies more than two (Hoid's and Elend's). That suggests either worldhoppers before Hoid in WoA-era or TLR doing something with them during his thousand year reign (experimenting with other uses? Maybe there's a thousand year old kandra somewhere with a Lerasium Blessing, or an old TLR-charged Lerasium mind, or alloyed nuggets...)
My goodness, it's been over three years since I said that.
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19 hours ago, Nathrangking said:
True. Brandon, does not believe in them.
Don't forget Rushu, the pretty ardent. Also, Lin, Lyn, and Lirin.
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Chapter 4, near the end, the word "instead" is used twice in the same sentence.
QuoteThey’ve demanded we turn in our human co-conspirators, but of course we have none, so instead our government wants to turn me and other resistance members over to them instead.
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On 10/12/2021 at 0:41 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said:
@RSharaput together a proper spreadsheet about this, lol
Children of the Nameless Mothers indeed
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7 hours ago, teknopathetic said:
It is unclear how the Stormfather would know this, considering as he just kind of barely recognized Ash and Taln when they showed up again. I see your point, but the Stormfather is far from reliable.
I'd be hesitant to say he's wrong when he makes definitive statements like this. He usually will admit when he doesn't know something.
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I don't know if this has been fixed, but in my copy of Words of Radiance, chapter 11, it says
QuoteAs she touched it, she noticed something sweeping through the air above her. She cringed, looking up to find large, birdlike creatures circling around her in Shadesmar. They were a dark grey and seemed to have no specific shape, their forms blurry.
This is from Shallan's PoV, and I think she shouldn't know what a bird was, to call something "birdlike"? Perhaps skyeel-like?
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Chapter 13 a few paragraphs toward the end
Quote“Find a reason to visit the honorspren,” Mraize said. “Then we shall talk.” He lifted his arm and threw the bird off toward another hunt.
The section is from Shallan's PoV, and she calls it a chicken the rest of the chapter, but here she calls it a bird.
I-5 Lift
QuoteTogether she and Wyndle followed, the spren growing increasingly worried—particularly after the bird fluttered down into a corridor, then stared at the ground and chirped in an annoyed way.
The section is Lift's PoV, and she also calls it a chicken, except for this one time.
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14 hours ago, Quick Ben said:
No he doesn't, he said Taln has joined the other 9 in Roshar and that in the time Taln held the oathpact none of the heralds died
Sorry, yeah I meant none have died and returned to Braize, to break. Silly fingers not typing what my brain meant!
But that rather puts the nail in this theory, doesn't it?
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I was recently pointed at this thread
Has anyone mentioned that the Stormfather explicitly says that none of the other Heralds has died and returned to Braize since Aharietiam?
Oathbringer chapter 38
QuoteHE FINALLY BROKE, the Stormfather said. HE HAS JOINED THE NINE, WHO STILL LIVE. IN THESE MILLENNIA NONE HAVE EVER DIED AND RETURNED TO DAMNATION, BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER AS IT ONCE DID. THE OATHPACT HAS BEEN WEAKENED ALMOST TO ANNIHILATION, AND ODIUM HAS CREATED HIS OWN STORM. THE FUSED DO NOT RETURN TO DAMNATION WHEN KILLED. THEY ARE REBORN IN THE NEXT EVERSTORM.
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4 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:
Yeah, you and I definitely have different views on this
I would not categorize this as an "emotion", myself, though admittedly the term is rather hard for me to define.
Agreed, though Brandon's also said it's similar to Subservience, so as I said:
I mean, that one's explicitly described to be part of Odium when Dalinar sees the power, though I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it's also in Dominion, as that does sound like it'd fit there too, and I can't imagine the Shards having no overlap, with the Intents we know.
The same one that says "human emotion" and "passion" as well?
I do not by any means disagree with the fact that things like hatred and fury make up the largest portion and majority of the Shard. But I don't agree that the others make up any particularly insignificant portion.
I'll also add in this section
QuoteNext, she used a diamond infused with Stormlight instead of a candle. It worked the same, splitting into components of light, but with a larger band of blue. Voidlight did the same, though the band of violet was enormous, and the other colors mere blips. That was strange, as her research indicated different colors of light should only make bands brighter or weaker, not increase their size.
I see the light as a visual representation of the Intent. The violet is the fury/hatred, and everything else is barely present.
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On 3/6/2021 at 7:42 AM, Honorless said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, eheheh, @RShara, I told you so!
"Existing" doesn't mean "existed in the exact same state it's in now" though. It could have been a collection of huts or a few dozen buildings in no particular pattern for all we know. I'm willing to wait till the books come out to discover for sure
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11 hours ago, Frustration said:
Looks like @LewsTherinTelescope is taking @RShara's job
No, it really isn't, it can't be, otherwise Devotion, Valor, Wimsy, and Ambition couldn't be Shards.
The spren are made of Cultivation and Honor,
Spren for the Nightwatcher, Wind for the Stormfather, and Stone for Roshar itself.
Hey.
Also, I'm firmly in the "Odium is hatred and fury, with only touches of other emotions" camp, and LewsTherinTelescope seems to be arguing the opposite of that. You can find lots of my obligatory, "Odium is NOT Passion, darn it" posts
7 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:I don't know that I'd really categorize Ambition as an "emotion", myself. Whimsy isn't really a "passionate emotion" in the same way either. And Devotion encompasses more than just emotions as well, though it certainly involves them to a large degree. (Valor being its own Shard is actually kinda confusing to me though, as Odium and Honor together would seem to cover it.)
Ambition can be interpreted as passion for advancement and improvement. Devotion is confirmed to be Love. Dominion could be passion for victory. Lots of the other Shards have a lot of passion associated with them, so Odium being largely passion just doesn't work out. It'd be passion without ambition and love at the very least, which would leave it pretty stale already.
I'm going to emphasize this outside perspective on the true power of Odium
QuoteIn his specific case, the power of emotion, passion, and—most deeply—the power of raw, untamed fury. Of hatred unbound.
Fury was italicized in the book.
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1 hour ago, Frustration said:
I got active really quick, which is how I met @RShara who quickly corrected my Odium is passion thought, and continued to impress me with her knowledge becoming the only Sharder I ended up following.
*Blushes*
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19 hours ago, Ookla the Mok Turtle Soup said:
So, based on the seriously unexpected turn of events in RoW, I thought that you, @RShara, would like to know that the "T is Plant" shirt (still a classic line) has been duly updated, here it is:
I LOVE it! Also, I don't think we know the whole play yet
And T definitely stabbed Rayse
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Hemalurgy would tend to drive away spren. They can sense the Spiritual damage or something like that. And I think Adolin would have noticed metal sticking out of Shallan, since they're married and all...
Long WoB. Relevant part
QuoteDjarskublar (paraphrased)
So say you go to Roshar and you give somebody a Hemalurgic spike for some Allomantic power, don't care what, and you use it to become a savant. Does that qualify them as 'broken' enough to become a Radiant? As long as they are also following the Ideals to attract a spren.
Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)
So becoming a Radiant is a spectrum of terminologies. It... probably, but you would have to find a Radiant who would, or a spren who would be willing to touch that, okay? It's going to drive them back.
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So Stormlight plus Lifelight = Towerlight. Stormlight+Voidlight=Warlight. What would Lifelight+Voidlight create?
We were throwing this around on Discord, and my thought was that it could be Passionlight. Wouldn't it be beautiful and ironic if Odium's biggest enemy on Roshar was exactly what was needed to finally and truly become Passion?
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Has anyone mentioned that the Stormfather explicitly says that none of the other Heralds has died and returned to Braize since Aharietiam?
🧠 THEORY: The Pact of Peace – Is Hoid Secretly Replacing the Shards Without Taking One?
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Please stay away from the personal insults.
Hoid himself says it.
Plus, Retribution literally vaporized him at the end of WaT. If he hadn't had the foresight to stash away a cell culture, he would be completely dead.
And I'm saying if there had been a contract of nonaggression/nonintervention/etc, then there wouldn't have needed to be another contract between Odium, Honor, and Cultivation to stop them from doing those things. Which they were very freely doing before they agreed to the contract.
I'm confused. You literally said
And I'm pointing out that all four of those were disproven in the text. Heck, just in WaT, let alone Stormlight and Mistborn. Clearly no such pact existed before the three swore themselves against the first three. The 4th is untrue from reasons given in Dawnshard and the end of WaT. The Sleepless guarded Change because it could destroy worlds, and Hoid couldn't let Retribution have Exist for the same reason
I mean, this is proof that Hoid did not swear any sort of non-intervention oath?
I'm not sure why you need a WoB? We see Rock tell Kaladin this story. We see Sigzil affected by the same Torment as Hoid, being unable to harm or kill. We don't need a WoB to confirm things that are shown in the books.
And I'm trying to say the premise is faulty. Most of them are disproven just in WaT, and the rest in the other books