Comatose

River: When Peter starts blubbering about his sister, I resist the urge to roll my eyes. When he starts blubbering, I find I can't resist anymore. This man called himself a defender? "Get up," I say coldly. "I did what I had to do to win the match. If all your forms weren't reliant on alcohol, I couldn't have beaten you that way. The sisters are giving you a chance to turn your life around. I suggest you take it." I wipe my hand on my pants and look around to see if Peter is making a scene. I can't afford to be associated with such a simpleton. "You don't know anything about me, so don't pretend you do," I whisper. "Fact is, had this been a real fight, out in the wilds, you would be dead right now, and I would have done the world a favor. I suggest that in the future, you keep your pathetic hide out of my way." Turning, I begin walking away, not giving him time to respond. Once I've walked a few steps, I pause to call over my shoulder. "Good-bye Peter. I'm off to the bar to have a drink."

That's interesting that what the seekers are sensing is "the power of creation" being used. If all three magic systems or instances of investiture, could we work "power of creation" into the definition? Something like: "the power of creation invested in an individual or object (for our friendly sword friends on Nalthis)". Now, I'm making a leap here, assuming what the seekers are sensing and investiture are the same thing. I don't think it's to big, as what Brandon describes in that quote fits with my conception of what Investiture is.

I agree too. That's what I was trying to get at. I was just trying to point out that when they say 'bronze pulses' it doesn't necessarily mean Ruin/Preservation 'sound' like they are burning bronze.

I would just like to apologize for my huge brain fart (it's fixed now). I know Marsh is a seeker, what I meant to say is I'm not sure if he is a savant, or that he had to be a savant to do those things. As for what else has been said, I'm not sure if Ruin and Preservation can mimic specific allomantic pulses. When Vin describes them as bronze pulses, I took that to mean pulses that could be heard by a bronze burner. As for the copper cloud, I think it is a logical thing for Vin to think. She knows she can pierce copper clouds, and these pulses feel fainter than normal. That doesn't mean there is actually a copper cloud hiding them. I think this is more in line with the other times she sense Ruin, Preservation, or the well, when she is unable to pick out which specific metal it sounds like. I wonder if Preservation and Ruin give off pulses similar to Atium and Lerasium. I don't think we're ever shown a seeker sensing those pulses, and we are never given their pulse length/tempo/etc. Anyways, specifics aside, my main point is that when Vin is sensing Ruin/Preservation/the well she is not sensing allomancy. Now, I take this to mean she is sensing cases of investiture. When it comes to feruchemy and hemalurgy, I'm not sure what would be required to sense them. Inquisitors give off normal bronze pulses when using allomancy, so I don't know how one would sense hemalurgy without just sensing the powers the hemalurgist is using. Here's a thought: what if a properly trained seeker could sense a charged metalmind or spike? The other implication of this theory is how seekers can interact with magic systems on other worlds. If a seeker could detect the use of breath, aons, or stormlight (they can detect how much metal an allomancer has left, perhaps they can do the same for other magic systems), they could be an invaluable member of the 17th shard (especially if a could somehow sense Hoid (Again if trained properly). That last bit, however, is just my imagination running away from me. Not sure if it's really grounded in anything.

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I certainly was. I really liked: "I served it too," Miles called. "But now I serve something better. The essence of the law, but mixed with real justice. An alloy, Wax. The best parts of both made into one." Any piece of that would be cool. I really like how the title payed off.

My vote is for Steris. Throughout the book, all the stuff with Wax and Marasi made me go, "Really? Wax is going to beat the bad guy, save the day, AND get the younger, attractive, smart girl who is also a sniper?" It's not Steris's fault that she is the way she is, and I really respect her for admitting her faults at the end. It couldn't have been easy growing up that level of social awkwardness among the noble elite. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Marasi, but Wax is correct, he and Marasi are at very different stages in life. Their interaction over this two day span might be convincing, but keep in mind, Marasi is just finishing law school. She has her whole life ahead of her to be awesome. Her affection for Wax is really more of a fan-girl crush than a real romantic attraction. With her idealized view of Wax and his unintentionally patronizing attitude towards her (she is twenty years his junior... when I'm 45, I'm probably going to be patronizing a lot of twenty year olds) would make any long lasting romance between them fall flat, in my opinion. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying that romances with significant age differences don't work. I know of several that have. I'm just saying that, as things are, if Marasi and Wax began a relationship, it wouldn't be on equal footing. He'd always be the experienced hero who wouldn't be able to fully joy Marasi's excitement as she grows up because he's been through it before, and Marasi would always hold Wax a little above herself, and not see him as an equal. Steris and Wax might have problems, but I see a mutual respect there that could lead to something real. Whatever happens, their relationship feels more real to me than an idealized one between him and Marasi would. That's my two cents

Okay. I'm on my phone so it's hard to track down quotes but here are a few observations. Firstly in regards to the original theory, gaining hemalurgy does require acting in accordance with Ruin's intent. You must ruin or destroy someone (or possibly something) in order to steal and gain powers. You preserve your life to gain allomancy and destroy lives to gain hemalurgy. On this note I'm not sure if there is a work around for killing things to use hemalurgy as that is the magic system's intent. Secondly, we should keep in mind that hemalurgy can steal things that all humans have such as mental and emotional stability, normal human senses and strength, etc (ie. Koloss spikes and kandra blessings). Thirdly a question. How does location effect things? When stealing investiture based on shards that are not from Scadrial does it matter which planet you are on? As for the tears of edgli thing, I don't think they can be used in Hemalurgy. The reason allomancy and hemalurgy can react the way they do is because they use the same focus: metal. Neither use color the way awakening does. While it's very likely hemalurgy can be used to steal powers from other worlds, that doesn't mean it can use the same focii. You need metals to use hemalurgy. A hemalurgist who has gained the ability to use breath can use the tears to awaken but not for hemalurgy. Does that make sense? Edit: Also I was under the impression that the purpose of the pool was so Elantrians could die. I don't think they can die of old age.

Well we're never told that specifically but we are told many seekers become savants without knowing it so it can't be that difficult to become one. At least not compared to becoming a savant in other things. I'm not convinced pre inquisitor Marsh was a seeker (EDIT: savant *facepalm) but whether he is or not doesn't really affect the argument. Whether a seeker needs to be a savant or not to do these things doesn't change the fact that learning them is possible.

I don't remember the page number but the quote says Rashek thought Alendi wore the piercings of the hero unjustly. As for Vin's spike that's what I was referring to when I said she was more powerful because the earring increased her power with bronze. Also, Marsh says with training a seeker can tell things like when a person is flaring, what emotions a soother or rioter is influencing and how low a person's metals are running. Based on this I don't think a main difference between allomancy and feruchemy would be rate of consumption.

So, Chaos asked Brandon if a seeker burning bronze could sense a feruchemist. Brandon's answer, as I understood it was yes, on the condition that they trained and knew what they were doing/what to look for. Now, here's the things. From the Ars Arcanum, we know all three magic systems are instances of investiture (whatever that is). We also know that Vin had to be a (powerful) seeker in order to sense the pulses of the well of ascension (initially). So, me and KChan were talking, and were thinking it would make sense if what Seekers are really sensing when they hear allomantic pulses is investiture. So far, they've only sensed allomantic pulses because that's all they've been trained to look for. If Seekers really do sense investiture, that could mean that, with proper training and instruction, a world-hopping bronze burner could sense the use of other cosmere magic systems.