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Ugh. I'm not in the country. 

 

Why does amazon UK claim the kindle edition is releasing on 6th March? What's up with that? Don't they know ALL fantasy books are to be released first in the UK because we are that much cooler...

Yeah I'm waiting to get my copy but amazon says it will be delivered at 9pm on the 6th. What's up with that? 

OMG I WANT THIS BOOK! It won't be released till the 6th in the UK though. I feel like crying

Szeth it an anomaly in general surgebinding without being bonded to a spren and the possibility that he has a honor blade makes him a hard example. As for early plans for kaladin that were not published, they shouldn't really have a bearing.  

Just because Szeth us an abnormality we can't generalize that everyone else is not like him. Also we don't know if he does have an honor blade.

FYI, no big deal and I personally don't care, but local custom prefers that we unify our posts and avoid double-posting. One can multi-quote to respond to multiple posts or edit the first post. 

So the current lighteyes are all descended from Radiants who didn't give up their blades?  I'm just trying to understand. 

 

IIRC, in the previous version, Merin, who became Kaladin, took up the Shards and his life was too easy, so I don't think Amaram took them and made him a slave.  He might even have saved Dalinar, not Amaram, but I am even less certain about that. 

No. I don't believe that they are all descendants. Were there even KR who didn't give up their blades? I just think the people assume that lighter eyes = more power but they don't know why they think that. The reason behind it is that in generations past they linked that to the KR having light eyes from stormlight.They knew it back then so it wasn't as important, or they thought it would help with being a surgebinder but they just forgot that part in later years cause of all the taboos associated with the KRs. Kind of like the legends about mistwraiths had a grain of truth to them with the skaa but they had no idea what they really were or how they became smart.

I don't know i would jump straight to they don't care just that you could still be dark eyes and have authority and its only vorin nations that use light eyes as rule it is not that way on all of roshar. Oppression would have sprung up later. Myth implies that its not true and we don't know that.

 

Had kalidan chose to take the sword and plate he would have been given power Amaram would not have taken the sword from him. it was only due to kalidans's rejection of the blade that Amaram took advantage of the situation. I think that there is truth to the belief that the eyes will chan

Szeth has a shardblade but his eyes arent constantly light only when he uses stormlight. Also I think that Amaram would have gotten the shards one way or another. I think Brandon said in an interview or somewhere else that in the first edition of WoK he had Kaladin accept the shards but Amaran took them anyway and made him a slave.

If the light eyes are inherited and investiture is not, then one could have light eyes without investiture. 

 

Dalinar is surprised that the person in command at Feverstone is a darkeye.  I assume you mean "darkeyes become lighteyes" is a myth rather than vice versa.  Post-Recreance, we have Shardbearers, but no surgebinders.  If Shardblade use does not make eyes light, how do we end up with a society ruled by lighteyed Shardblade owners who are not surgebinders?

 

I suppose the ex-Radiants could have gone full-Kaladin and taken the Shardblades back, but I think we would have heard about it, and why did they give them up in the first place?

Yes I did mean that. darkeyes becoming light eyes I don't think its the shards that make your eyes glow but rather the stormlight. The myths didn't distinguish between the two because most radiants had shards anyway and if they did "back in the day" most vorin people hate KR so they just tried to forget the information and it was lost over the centuries.

I agree with hoser here (he is a sensible guy ).

 

I think this is slightly backwards, rather than light eyes giving you more investiture, I think the investiture on Roshar gives you light eyes.

 

I do not think it is  much of a leap to assume that all Vorin lighteyes are the descendants of either former KR directly or the darkeyes who took up the shards at Feverstone Keep.

Isn't that the same thing? investiture = lighter eyes. 

Also I'm not sure if the darkeyes' eye colour changed at Feverstone keep. my reasons are:

1) They didn't care about eye colour then so they cold as equally have been light eyes

2) the whole "light eyes become darkeyes" is a myth. Your eye colour and shards would change if you were a surgebinder.

OK... this also might sound stupid but what if having lighter eyes meant you had more innate investiture (possibly using the wrong words) in you. For example you had a higher chance in becoming a surgebinder than a normal person. Think like the nobles and Skaa. The pureblood nobles had a higher chance of becoming allomancers than skaa-noble pairings. I might be totally insane and yes I do know that kaladin is a darkeyes. But think of all the others who show powers: Jasnah, Shallan and etc.

Heh...As Hoid says in the last chapter.  What men value most in others is timeliness. 

Well played my friend. I can't argue with Hoid. He is awesome... FACT.

Yes, other people have definitly had the visions.

 

In fact, I believe that the Vorin Hierocracy was caused by priests having these same visions.

That escalated quickly. I have to agree with Aether though. I think the visions are new.

I'm almost positive that Hoid had lighteyes when he was being Wit. Adolin thinks something to the effect of "He wasn't really a lighteyes. He was Wit. That was a category all on its own." Which, to me, implies that if he wasn't the Kings Wit, he'd would be considered a normal lighteyes. I don't really see a reason why he would have changed disguises between the Shattered Planes and Kohlinar anyway. 

 I did check the book and it said he had blue eyes. It might have been dark though.

Great catch, though it has been made before. Great minds think alike, I suppose

damnation and I thought I was smart!

How do you even become a beta reader? I WANT TO BE ONE!

What if Syl is not from Cultivation? If she is from Honor (Note "honorspren") maybe she didn't retain her memory because he was shattered?

Another thing that I also noticed was Hoid's eye colour changing. I'm pretty sure he had a mid colour eye when he was Wit but at the very end of the book when he's left and he's at the gate waiting for the "end to come" the guards say he has light blue eyes. Is that lightweaving or stormlight?

Whilst leafing through the WoK I noticed something. At the very end of the book when Honor talks to Dalinar he says he doesn't know who he is or if anyone would see these visions. But something in the death notes caught my eye:

“That chanting, that singing, those rasping voices.” - Kaktach 1173, 16 seconds pre-death. A middle-aged potter. Reported seeing strange dreams during highstorms during the last two years.

Does this potter dude have the same visions that Dalinar had or were they different? Honor showing another part of his to him or asking him to find the honor blades or something?

This will probably sound stupid but I just finished a re-read of WoK and I was wondering if you started using stormlight would your eye colour change to a set colour or just become lighter? Szeth's eyes glow sapphire even though his eyes are green and Kaladin's glow amber but the Knights Radiants of each order have plates that glow a different colour (i.e. Blue, red and whatever) so does a similar thing happen to their eyes?

I think it's save to say that the Shardblades are not stored with the Honorblades.

 

Some Shardblades that are around are already mentioned:

 

-- Oathbringer (Dalinar -> Sadeas)

-- Sunsraiser (Elhokar)

-- Adolin has one

-- Gavilar had one (I yet wonder were his Blade and Plate went ...)

-- Shallan's Blade

-- three Shardblades in Jah Keved (discovered in Interlude 9 TWoK)

-- Eshonai has one

-- Ym's chaser has one

-- Amaram has one

-- Szeth's Blade might be a Shardblade, too, though we don't know it

-- Brightlord Resi (full Shardbearer, fought a duel against Adolin, TWoK Ch. 58) and one or two more in Highprince Thanadal's army:

 

 

Dalinar's count on Shardblades:

It still seems that there are hundreds out there. I know Dalinar says there are about 200 but in his vision, Almighty says that the group of hundreds of radiants were the first so we have to assume there were more radiants thus more blades. Also before anyone says anything... yes I do know that some orders didn't fight

Joking aside... i see a similarity between the atium cache and the blades cache

I agree. They are probably right under our noises...

Oh and on the subject of blades... Where are the rest of the radiant swords? Are they stored with the Honorblades?

Thank you Aether! I think they are in my vision but I just didn't notice them. Stupid move I know but hey I'm human.

I seriously seem to miss a lot of stuff. Can someone please put up the photo of the blades. I have the UK version and it doesn't seem to have them. Or I missed them.

Hmm. This is all really interesting. I always assumed that the shattered plains were the last desolation occurred OR where Honor died. I also think that honor's shardpool would be somewhere buried beneath the plains as it was a sight of "great magic" as BS said. As for the blades my best guess is Nightwatcher and the Shin still. I guess I'm quite hard to sway.

From Eshonai's reading, we know the Shattered Plains were a great city.

Thanks to the above quote, we now know for sure that the fight in the Prelude was not on the Shattered Plains.

But when was the city destroyed? and what did she say in the reading? I read it months ago.

Bad assumption. There is nothing concrete that suggests the final battle of the last Desolation took place there. In fact, I had a post in another thread going through the environment and pointing out why it didn't take place there.

I just read the Prelude again and this is what Kalak says:

"The plain was a place of misshapen rock and stone, natural pillars rising around him, bodies littering the ground. Few plants lived here. The stone ridges and mounds bore numerous scars. Some where shattered, blasted out sections where Surgebingers had fought. Less frequently, he passed cracked, oddly shaped hollows where thunderclasts had ripped themselves free of stone to join the fray."

It just sounds like the plain. I know I'm on shaky ground here but it always seemed to me that the plains were the ultimate battlefield.