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Despite my hopes to the contrary, the Curiosity rover has determined with nearly 92% confidence that the surface of Mars is in fact made of rock, presumably sitting on top of more rock.  Why they named it a "Mars bar" if the planet wasn't also chocolate-covered nougat I have no idea. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were also deceived, not acting with malicious intent to mislead. My desire to travel to Mars is, coincidentally, down about 92% from where it used to be.

If things keep going this way, I don't know what we'll do. Modern science is even making me doubt the sublime nature of the Milky Way.

Haha this was brilliant!. I just thought that Curiosity was actually working for NASA in real life. That would be awesome

Sebruki has a dark skin and long dark hair. Has Iyatil dark skin like Sigzil ?

The book says that she has tan skin and dark eyes.

Analyzing rocks on Mars and still has time to get the right answer - Curiosity, you're amazing!

Analyzing what now?

She could be Silence's daughter. The mask could be to hide her messed up face.

Yes but Iyatil is quite short and William Ann was described as gangly and tall.

So I was reading the Orem Library Signing on December 6 post and I came across this quote from zaz678:

 

 

Here’s an interesting one about Mraize. (I wrote Mraize here, but I’m not entirely sure ) Is he a world hopper?

Yes, he’s been to a few planets, highly supervised by his babsk.

Q: So what planet is she from? (After looking up things, I’m assuming Iyatil.)

1. Well, that’s kind of a hard thing to say. She has 3 planets she’s “from”. For example, she’s living now on Roshar, but then she’s from a different planet, but that’s not a planet that her people are from.

Q: So there was a mass exodus to that planet?

A: Not exactly. If you were to find a Japanese American, where would they say that they are from? Her people did not have a mass exodus.

Assuming that Iyatil is actually the person Brandon is talking about and that she is a worldhopper then there is a high chance that we have seen her before somewhere.

Now looking at what Brandon said about her not being from the same planet that her parents are from I can only think of how the people of Threnody had a history of migration and that some left the "homeland" or "fallen world" and moved to another continent. What if this "fallen world" was actually another planet?

If all my ramblings are true and Iyatil is from Threndoy then there are only 2 people I can think of that could be her: Silence and Sebruki.

Both are quite short (even though Sebruki is like 8 I think Brandon mentions that she is quite short anyway) I think Sebruki is a better match since she was really quite and deadly even as a child.

So any thoughts?

Also I don't know how to use quotes from other posts so can someone please tell me how to do that?

I got 15. As a massive Disney fan I am quit disappointed in myself

HUZZAH!

 

Also, crap. Now I have to think of something...How about this.

 

Category: Television Show

 

A jock, nerd, gymnist, hip-hop dancer, and martial artist must come together to save the world.

Power Rangers?

Nope, sorry.

 

Out of curiosity, just how do you get to the Illiad from Beowulf?

I'm no good at this game I'm not really familiar with Beowolf but I figured that maybe it's an old literally piece that you were talking about. Plus Illiad fits. Someone had predicted Paris would be the downfall of Troy rather poetically and by stealing Helen all the tribes of Greece join together to rape and pillage the Trojans. Sorry went on a tangent there   

Sadly, it isn't.

 

Hint #2: Think Beowulf.

The Illiad? So the movie Troy?

In the ultimate act of aggressive negotiations, a poet helps twelve people murder other people who made dubious lifestyle choices.

Inglourious Basterds?

Oh wow. I thought Sid was a stretch, but I guess not.

A group of friends goes on a crazy, party-filled trip across the world, breaking someone else's stuff along the way.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?

When you get overly excited that a friend knows who Brandon Sanderson is, but disappointment that they only know him from finishing Wheel of Time and then seriously consider de-friending them when they say he could've done a better job :S

I'm going to disagree with you. We know next to nothing of Seventeenth Shard. In fact, the only information on them from the books is the two letters in Stormlight Archive. From WoBs, the only additional information we have is that the three gents from the Purelake Interlude are members, and the Ars Arcana author is a member. We actually, to my knowledge, don't have word of whether Nazh is a member or not, just that he is working for the Ars Arcana author, and as such many of us 17th Sharders have assumed he's therefore a member of Seventeenth Shard. Moreover, we don't know the inner workings of the organization. Is there a power struggle between two factions? Is the Ars Arcana author writing about these worlds, and employing Nazh, as a personal job or a hobby? This would mean they don't care about Hoid's doings. What is the knowledge level of each individual member of Seventeenth Shard? You mentioned that you expect each member to have basic knowledge of Hoid and be able to see-through his disguises, but can they? We don't actually know.

 

As for Nazh and Hoid, I'm still not convinced. Though everyone knows the King has a Wit, the Wits change all the time, as is mentioned in WoK. Hoid just happens to be the most recent Wit, and the characters who interact with him think he's a bit more over the top than the run of the mill Wit. Anyone without direct access to the Wit or his predecessors would have no idea if he's more crazy than usual. Given Nazh only observes, he doesn't interact, I think it is completely reasonable to think he's never been in the general vicinity of Wit. In fact, the only time the characters really interact with Wit in any way is at those parties, which is something I would think Nazh would avoid (unless I'm forgetting something from the books).

 

As a bit of a nitpick, I wouldn't call Wit a part of the Kholin entourage. He's really never around, ever. Almost every time one of the characters runs into him, they comment on how they never see him. In addition, I don't think Hoid's disguises are as easy to pierce as you think they are. Siri's comment that you bring up is that she feels he's acting older than he really is...but Hoid is older than he was acting. WAY older. If anything, I would say that Hoid's "act" included seeming like he was younger than he was portraying. That would be just like Hoid. Also, if Hoid knows Seventeenth Shard is looking for him, and he has knowledge that the three Purlake Interluders are members, if Nazh is a member I would think he knows and would have either done something about it already, mentioned it in the letter, or intentionally avoid Nazh all together.

 

That all being said, to each his own. You're welcome to your opinion, I'm welcome to mine.

First hats off to you for your counter argument. Now its my turn.

1. I agree that Nazh is not necessarily a member of the 17th shard... but he doesn't have to be. I didn't even think he was a member until you brought it up. I just thought that he was Khriss' employee. This leaves us with two possibilities:

a) he is a member of the 17th shard and thus Khriss is his superior in the system: So from the information we have it can be assumed that

(with respect to the letter) he would have a general idea who Hoid is. If Hoid isn't known to the "underling members of the 17th shard" then I  still think Khriss would tell him about him to some extent as Hoid is far too important and meddling not to know who he is.

he is not a member of the 17th shard: This means that Khriss is his employer and is either using him with the knowledge of the organisation or on her own which means Khriss would have to give him ore info than just a normal member cause he is doing her dirty work.

In either of these situations Nazh is a worldhopper and is present and "observing" things that he shouldn't be able to, similar to how Hoid is in places where important things are happening. He retrieved Shallan or Jasnah's stuff from the ocean (sorry I'm fuzzy on the details) and looked at bridge four before anyone else knew of their links. In my mind this means that Khriss is using the same method as Hoid in figuring out important events (I'm not going to say seeing the future because I just think its more sensing where to be). There is no way that abilities like this won't give you at least some knowledge of the ransom anomaly that is Hoid popping up everywhere.

2. I still think Nazh who is a Worldhopper and observer as enough knowledge about lightweaving to see through Hoid's disguises (I think that is primary method of changing his appearance) I agree that he might have not been in Hoid's vicinity yet but he should notice him soon. Wit has been with Kaladin quit a few times, seen Shallan, brought back Taln and is now with Jasnah (though we don't know how that works). All these would be suspicious! If you are a good enough spy you would notice any of these and I believe Nazh is a good spy seeing that Khriss is the most cosmere aware person in the universe so I think she would hire only the best!

Sorry this is a bit jumbled up but I was never good at debating anyway

We know Nazh is short for something because of this WoB:

 

(source)

 

And then we have the spelling because of Brandon's bio on his site (check the attribution for the picture).

So is this guy a real person or is Brandon trying to troll us?

It could easily be explained by poor timing, and that they just miss each other (Nazh and Hoid). It could also be that Nazh doesn't know what Hoid looks like (any or all of Hoid's disguises). Also remember the sheer size of the Alethi camps at the Shattered Plains. It's very possible that even if Nazh and Hoid were there at the same time, they would never see each other. Honestly I'd be surprised if they did run into each other.

I think everyone part of the 17th shard organisation knows who Hoid is and what he "generally" looks like. Also people can see through his disguises if they know what they are looking for. Remember how Siri figured Hoid was pretending to be older than he was?

I'm not saying that they have run into each other but pretty much most people know that the King has a wit and that wit is crazy. Also if Nazh knows to keep an eye on Shallan and I'm assuming other members of the Kholin family, then he must have an idea of their entourage which the wit is part of.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if Nazh was my employee and he failed to notice Hoid he would probably be losing a few paychecks!

So according to the coppermind wiki, Khiss is from White Sand's Taldain, and Nazh's full name is "Nazrilof" and he's from Threnody.  I think it's safe to assume that Khriss is immortal, or at least very long lived, and Nazh likely is as well.  That said, I don't think they're part of the 17thshard, since it seems like they know enough to have directed the others to where Hoid is in Roshar if they really wanted to.

How do we know Nazh's full name is "Nazrilof"? Do we have WoB confirming this?

 

We do know that the author is a part of Seventeenth Shard.

 

It is either Hoid or a member of Seventeenth Shard WoB

 

The author is not Hoid WoB

 

Therefore the author is Seventeenth Shard.

This is news to me. I always thought Khriss was just working independently and wasn't tied to anyone except Nazh. So if Khriss is part of 17th shard why didn't she tell the 3 guys at the purelake where Hoid was? We know that Nazh was spying for her and there is no way he wouldn't notice Hoid as the king's wit at the shattered plains.

That's a LOT of speculation, though.

We're 17th sharders... I thought speculation was part of the job description!

I thought he has. I think that there are a limited number of worldhoppers anyway (probably 1 or 2 from each planet) so since we already have Demoux and the Terriswoman from the Scadrial then if there is another worldhopper on Roshar other than Demoux it would be the woman. Also if she is his girlfriend maybe she doesn't like separation so she follows him around the Cosmere so they are at least on the same planet.

Short people can find "imaginative" places to rest for the night. My friend who is 4 foot 9 once slept in a dryer after she lost her keys after a night out. True Story.

Brandon hasn't mentioned a terriswoman in WoR, but he has mentioned that there is a terriswoman in Warbreaker.

I'm sure he said something like a Terriswoman is running around and we can find her. If she is a member o 17th Shard then it stands to reason that she would also be on Roshar unless Brandon specified its a Terrisman there instead. Do you have WoB conformation on either?

Im sure i've found a Terrisman in Bridge 4

He talks to Shallan.

 

I've also just reread Misborn and totally forgot that Demoux got himself a Terrisman girlfriend. Do you think she is the Worldhopper who was in Warbreaker?

Was there a terriswoman worldhopper in Warbreaker? How do we know this? Also I thought Brandon said that there was a terriswoman in WoR not a dude.

Thirty Seconds to Mars - From Yesterday for Mr. T.

Three Days Grace - World So Cold for Vivenna when she becomes a drab after running away from Denth.

Oasis - Wonderwall: How Kaladin feels about Syl.

Gotye - Save Me for Kaladin when he's all moody.

Panic! At The Disco - The End Of All Things for Elend and Vin especially when they die.

Having the royal locks when everyone around you is colour blind.

I got it now! I totally misunderstood you the first time. I thought you were saying that Nightblood + Vasher was the same as just Vasher, so I was really confused. My bad. 

No worries