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I've been a little confused as well. I probably rushed through the book too quickly. So the fused are the cognitive shadows of really old dead parshmen and women from, I assume, either when humans first arrived or when they started taking over. So are the gold voidspren the ancient listeners too? If not who/what are they? Why do they look like the shin?

Hi all, I apologise if this is in another thread but if it is my 'extreme' technological skills have been unable to locate it. So I don't know if I'm missing something from oathbringer but it seems to brush over Kaladin and Jasnah's first meeting. They both arrive in Urithiru at the same time and Jasnah references meeting the windrunner (Kal) and seems to like his challenges from the meeting that followed about the parshmen. Why do you think this is? Was it just not not important? I think this is unlikely as it's two of the most important characters meeting for the first time. Do you guys think this will be explored in a future book? Possible start of a Kaladin/Jasnah romance? Jasnah did seem pretty annoyed with Shallan about her sketches of Kal. Maybe it has something to do with this rather than just the whole indiscretion thing on Shallans part and I know there's a lot of Kaladin/Jasnah shippers out there;)

With Jasnah seen to be helping in the fight against what can be assumed to be a Thunderclast in the background (seriously check it out its awesome....squeals in delight) I think its safe to say that all knights radiant could fight them. And yeah, I agree on the Radiant being a Releaser

Also with Kaladin returning home and then with him likely to be POV character to see what's going on in Kholinar and Alethcar on the ground level, so it's unlikely that the Kaladin/Shallan relationship will have any time to develop in at least a large(-ish?) portion of Oathbringer. We're more likely to see the development and/or decline of the Adolin/Shallan relationship. I don't know about the dual identities, what reason would Shallan have to fool Kaladin as Veil? And I/m pretty sure Kal would figure it out prety quickly because of Syl recognising Patttern and Lightweaving (can she detect other spren's magic....can't remember now) I would like to see how Dalinar and Navini would react to Adolin and Shallan ending things, imagine the awkwardness at the next radiant meeting

In terms of the Kaladin/Shallan romance I would much rather there be a moment where they acknowledge each others feelings before choosing to be with other people. I prefer a parallel with the Gavilar/Dalinar/Navani triangle and Adolin/Kaladin/Shallan where if Kaladin and Shallan do end up together it is in the second set of 5 books after the time skip (if they are still alive). I think the Adolin/Kaladin relationship is developing like squabbling brothers so Kaladin would fit into this where others have thought that Renarin would have filled Dalinar's part. What do you guys think?

Sort of as it made the Parshendi act more desperate and end the peace talks. However I think the Everstorm was goin to come anyway thanks to Venli. Will be interesting to see where Venli and Eshonai are next book.

I was reading through some theories and came across the one that Jezrien is the drunkard at the feast when Gavilar is assassinated. If this is the case and he is still in Kholinar during the riots and we know that Kaladin will be heading there next book after Hearthstone and attempt to help. What do you think the chances are that they will come across each other whilst Kal is trying to protect and lead the people. Perhaps seeing Kal & Syl surgebinding and living by his ideals will help him find some sort of mental stability. Plus with Kal now having Jezrien's Honourblade it could have a marked difference. If Jezrie comes round in some way the perhaps he can unlock the oathgate to Urithiru and save Kholinar from the Everstorm. Picture that--Kal comes back to Urithiru with a city and the King of Heralds, scratching his head saying "It could've gone worse" Your thoughts and hole poking sticks (Shallan will never be able to change the hole poking sticks)

The way the story is going Shalladin is looking more and more likely so Laral will probably be used as a plot device to show Kaladin how much he cares for Shallan even though he belives he can never e with her because of Adolin. By this point Shallan would have broken it off with Adolin (see the well reasoned arguments on th Shalladin thread's) and more agst will ensue. Kal's parents will probably be happy-resentful-then happy again after explanation and showing of slave brands, eyes, blade/syl. A conversation between Kal/Lirin/Hesina/Syl would be priceless, especially the quips from Hesina/Kal/Syl

No, this is just Wit replying to Jasnah saying "Tell me what you know Wit" and him saying that it is a thing that he knows (him being snarky), I thought it was a reference to Dragonsteel.

I don't know........Hoid is complicated

What's Jonah? Am I missing something?

In the Words of Radiance Epilogue Hoid says that he spent 6 months in a stomach being digested. I really hope this mean that at some point during Dragonsteel he gets swallowed by a Dragon, maybe even the recipient of the letter. Your thoughts on this.

I liked him too. I wish I could react this strongly. Hilarious.

I haven't seen this on another post yet but if it is can someone please put a link in here somewhere. Right so I realise that Taln's state is most likely caused by the millenia of torture in taking the burden of ten to himself he seemed somewhat functional when he was in Kholinar. Fast forward to him being in Dalinar's camp he is a mess only showing some form of sanity when around magic. Now if you believe in the theory that Hoid now holds Taln's Honourblade (as the blade that Dalinar took was not an Honourblade due to the screaming spren and change of shape) the the change in Taln's state could be because of that. The only Herald we know to be operating as his normal self is Nalan (darkness) but he has his blade. Shallash is going around destroying art of herself (completely reasonable or not?). I also remember someone saying to Darkness that they weren't supposed to get worse and that that creature has his lord's blade. I assume that Szeth had Jezrien's blade as he was using the windrunner abilities. I think the other man is a probable Herald and is still serving Jezrien (from a comment made by Darkness in Link's interlude he has gone mad/vegatable/something) and that being without his blade has made him worse. I know that the Heralds are all operating under various levels of sanity (I'm sure that came from a WoB but I could be mistaken), but does anyone know if being without their Honourblades makes them worse? Your thoughts, and please feel free to poke holes or add anything if it occurs to you.

YES!!!! I'm sure that at some point Zahel will train her to use Pattern but her abilities will be manly focused on subterfuge and scholarship whilst trying to learn soulcasting.....I am a Stick. Shallan as Hoid's apprentice would give us valuable insight and possibly another crossover character to look out for is future cosmere books. Also really want a Hoid/Sigzil interaction or maybe Shallan speaking to Sigzil about Hoid.

If Szeth was made truthless beforehand maybe the diagram is saying for Mr T to make the truthless (szeth) his weapon. Really like the idea of Odium changing the diagram

The genius Mr T may know what the secret is and it may be in the diagram and they haven't spotted it. This also suggests that Mr T is holding back the info and an object (or at least I hope he is 'cause I love the big dramatic reveals). I wonder how Mraize feels about T after he dismissed T as a threat, now that he is also king of Jah Keved.

Dalinar wants Kaladin to go south to the capital after Hearthstone so maybe Jasna will make her way there and her and Kal will try to sort things out but it seems much more likely that Jasnah will go to Urithiru and have her family reunion. Kal will certainly clash with Roshone if he still lives. I quite like the idea of Laral having him killed and ruling on her own until Kal comes and they both lead Hearthstone to safety(ish). If Kal has to go on a journey thing to find his parents if they aren't in Hearthstone he'll probably find them in Kholinar and Jasnah on the way to limit the POV areas. Lirin will most likely be broken to some extent following his sons being taken from him but this would lead to him being a potential radiant Maybe his parents aren't even together anymore or they might have another child or somesuch. I already can't wait for Stormlight 3

I also really liked the the argument outside of the Highprince's meeting. So fun to read. My favourite moments were when they both admitted to themselves that they at least felt something for the other, especially when Shallan fazed out thinking about Kal whilst talking to Adolin. With Kal gone to rescue Hearthstone I have a feeling Laral (is that her name?) may start something with Kal (or at least) as he would never try something with Shallan as long as she is with someone, least of all Adolin, keep the budding bromance alive please.

I'm sure I remember reading in another forum that Vasher had been on Roshar awhile (at least long enough to get a reputation and train Adolin), so what are the chances that Vi is there? Is she dead? Did she choose to stay on her world or did Vasher run off to do something he thought was important and leave her behind? Those distasteful decisions he spoke of perhaps and how the skybreakers have Nightbloodand. I wonder if having a talking sword that is not a spren and constantly talks about destroying evil effected Nan in any way. Either way I can't wait for some Szeth/Zahel (Vasher) interaction where Nightblood is there and if Nightblood might recognize Vasher and prefer him or they have a nice chat about destroying evil. And Szeth fighting a shardbearer with Nightblood would be almost too much awesomeness.

"I will not ask what I will not do" or something like that to do with sparing Amaram and showing Moash to let go as someone said earlier

What if Renarin having seen Kaladin giving a display to his 1000+ men (like in the chasm), Renarin asks Kaladin for private lessons and as Kal will be guarding the Kholins they are bount to have some time, so Renarin might use a giant half shard spear like I've read from some threads about a future weapon for Kaladin if he gets shardplate. Whilst I do think anything along these lines is highly unlikely I would still like to see it. Also am really looking forward to the Jasnah/Dalinar conversation about the Almighty and Kaladin vs Szeth although I don't think either will die yet (hopefully) but what Refero says is interesting

Little off topic from the last few comments but what I really want to see is Kaladin training Renarin (even if it's secretly). I know it's a little odd but I really like this idea and think it could be a good way of Kaladin to get over his hatred of lighteyes (which the other two Kholin's already started)

Seeing as a year on Roshar is 1.1 years to us, Kaladin will be around 21 to us and as Windy and wilson said with everything he's been through he should look older. And it looks like the area around his knee is slightly cracked so I'm preferring to think of it as a hard landing rather than a super Kaladin action pose. Love the cover and Szeth looks awesome Edit: minor

Finished the e-book and I loved it despite it being YA. Now I'm too invested in too many of Brandon's characters and stories, I mean how many different series is he writing now? The waiting for sequals is killing me. I liked the pacing of the Rithmatist and the confrontation between Joel and whatever has taken control of Nalizar (great twist ). Although Joel thinks that no one will believe him I'm pretty sure that Melody will and that Fitch (my favourite character) will come around. I also think that Brandon did a great job of the alternate history and that the South Americans know a lot about the wild chalklings, am hoping for a character from there in later books. I liked that Joel didn't get powers, I'm sure I remember reading a quote from Brandon or someone who had read the book that described Joel as Hermione without the magic, I thought this to right after finishing it but I do think that he will get powers eventually so that we kind find out more about Nebrask in later novels. Now I just need WoR (83% through 1st draft ). (edited a too to a to)