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Haha welcome to the chaos, I think we finished the debate but this was sparked by the ethicality of hemalurgy, then the ethicality of murder.

"Where are we going?" Nyks asked mid stride.

Nyks ran with them, moving with surprising grace for her age (She's 400+, appears 40 but you know, magic, gives agility and stuff)

"I just think we should leave," Nyks muttered.

Just a heads up, I tend to be blunt with criticism, I don't intend to be rude and apologize if this comes out the wrong way. This is also my first time doing this so I'm still figuring it out. Only read the prologue so far, it seems like two distinct parts, the beginning bit and where we see silence (should I abbreviate that?) Up until S and P's bit, the tone is more lighthearted and casual. I personally think that part could be cut, or set aside for later if it might fit somewhere. I adore it, it just doesn't seem to fit. I'll refer to S & P's part as prologue part two (though I did consider referring to the two of them as salt and pepper) I really like the first line, the reader doesn't know what silence is but it has to be something. I think you could start with this (and just refer to the crystals by their proper name, and maybe add some context). Oh and there's two periods in the first sentence. Just a heads up. I really, really, like how S refers to inhabiting P's body, it's fantastic. When A doesn't cry over P's rejection (though it's really S doing it), I think more context is needed, a little more than just "A didn't cry..." I think there should be more of a transition between S wanted to explore the world and it's thoughts on it, though I really like hearing the strange creature's observations of human life. I'm also very curious how S, the dragon, and teleporting rats are going to accomplish their destruction. I'll probably add a little more later, I read the first sentence of chapter 1. I re-read the first paragraph of chapter one, I'm VERY interested in this curse. Magical chronic bone pain is very interesting. Though does everyone else have it? Or just Am and her mother? (page Love her guilt here (p. 9) Is it a violin or fiddle? Pretty sure those are different. (P. 9/10) I like how there's treatment, which helps manage the pain but doesn't magically get rid of it (p. 10) Why does Am refer to her mother by her full name? (p. 10) "Wow, this really sucks..." Doesn't L have the curse too? (p. 10) [I've realized now why] "Did you remember to eat today," is a great detail, but it might be worth amending it to "did you eat today?". As someone with occasional jaw pain (and who does forget to eat for other reasons), the jaw pain will make me have no desire to eat, but I'll know I'm hungry. (p. 11) Is this third person limited or whatever the other one is? Because if it's not limited ignore the mother comment and referring to S as S makes sense. (p. 11) Can you look just like someone and have tentacles and goop? (p. 11) [this makes me wonder if P had tentacles and goop, or if S can hide it as it pleases] Her wrists are going to hurt if S is pressing on them, right? (p. 13) I love how casual S is (p. 13) "I'm sure you could. I'll let you know if I find any..." Who is saying this? (p. 14) Wow. One heck of a chapter, I love the ending, it's great. I want to know more. (p. 15) I'll probably edit this and give you more comments in the morning.

"Shoe, we should run" Nyks whispered. Side note, I now have an irl friend named Nyx and I keep spelling her name wrong, oops.

I believe that humans, at least some of them, have the capacity to be good without a higher power as motivation. I do think that we can benefit from religion as something to guide us, I personally don't need/want? that, I have natural repercussions, as do most I suppose. Yeah that makes a lot more sense than whatever I was thinking last night, I was still a little spooked from the whole thing but yeah. I think you're continuing to make me believe that objective morality might be a thing. I don't have a concussion (woo!) Or at least I don't think I do, 24 hours later.

Hi!! I kinda got attacked by like 40 boys during a chaotic capture the flag incident and am still dealing with that, so if this makes no sense I apologize Good point, I agree with that. I think you're starting to turn me onto objective morality a little. Also true So do we, I think we'd need someone raised outside of society with zero religious exposure, and see how that goes. But that would be hard to do and would take generations to eliminate society's influence. If its even feasible in this day and age. Plus you'd need multiple families to mitigate inbreeding. Fair. I think you make a valid and decently sound argument, I still don't believe in a higher power and I kind of feel like objective morality is a thing, but seems like it shouldn't? Like I feel like objective morality that aligns with my beliefs is putting mine over others, though objective morality is putting, I don't want to say good, but that's the best word I can think of, beliefs over "bad" ones, in my opinion at least. Let's hope I don't have a concussion!!

Nyks joined in, giving the creatures a battering that only someone with centuries of battle experience could give.

Just as a heads up, I'm running on 2 hours of sleep so this might be incoherent. Or not. Interesting. I would say that humans are naturally neutral, they have the choice to be good or bad. I don't know if there can be a true correctness, probably both. Since humans are flawed in the first place. Is objective morality something everyone believes in or what is objectively right? Because Neo Nazis would gladly argue that the Holocaust and Nazis were good, obviously I don't agree, especially considering my connection with it. (No direct relatives that I know of, but if you think about the bottle neckage... you get the point). I don't know if anything can be objectively true besides like math/science things that are factual. Though people can argue opinions as facts so I don't know. I think I confused myself, though I don't know what I was thinking there. Or using wrong terminology. Depression wants me to not care, if I wasn't in a better place I wouldn't care. I don't think a lack of religion would make everyone the worst versions of themselves possible, see Jasnah. Once again, I find your thoughts interesting. Not good or bad, just interesting. How do you know that your interpretation is correct? Out of genuine curiosity. My school starts in two days, I moved in today, so yeah me too. Don't worry about it What was your favorite part?

Nalthis: Nightblood and Vasher Roshar: Kaladin and Dalinar Scadrial: Vin and TenSoon (I'm surprised no one has mentioned him yet) Sel: Shai and Raoden Taladain: Khriss and Kenton Yolen: Hoid

Storms those are beautiful

I totally agree with all of this!! Plus bathing isn't inherently suggestive and I don't particularly remember any of those scenes to be suggestive in nature either. Fictional characters need baths too LOL

Oh hi!! It's 3am for me. I move into school tomorrow. I'm only 75% of the way packed.

"I see, that sounds good. Is the top airy?" Nyks cursed under her breath. "Where's Lev when you need him?" she muttered. Nyks racked her brain, trying to remember if Lev taught her anything about arrow wounds. Nothing came to mind.

Why so many spoilers?

"What's a muffin?" Nyks asked, "I don't think we have those at home" Edit: I just realized I cannonized the fact that the planet Nyks is from doesn't have muffins. Everything she says is cannon, since I need to do more worldbuilding stuff so yeah. Scrutator didn't have a name until I realized he needed one for this so boom. His name means Searcher btw.

In my head I spell flavour with a u. I'm American, lived in the USA all my life. Though on paper I spell it the american way, same with color/colour, etc

I can see where you're coming from that, I don't agree fully, however I do agree that the US is deeply rooted in Judeo-Christian religious values, and without that, we probably would have some general shift on what is right and wrong. I'm glad we agree on that, is it possible that we think of them as wrong because of the pain it causes to others. But then it could be argued that how do we (we as in society as a whole) generally agree that harming others is wrong? I have no idea, I'm sure there are multiple theory's, a higher power being one of them, as you believe. Which does make sense to some extent. I was raised Jewish; once I could I rejected all of it (because I did not enjoy the almost decade I spent in Hebrew School), though at my brother's bar mitzvah (which was two and a half years later) I saw the beauty of it from a sort of outsider's perspective, so I've began to sort of embrace it more? I consider myself Jewish, because Judaism is my culture. But I wouldn't say I believe in the religious aspect of it, I hardly do. Some aspects of Judaism align with my beliefs, but I wouldn't say I have my beliefs because of Judaism (though, if we get into nature vs nurture in this situation, maybe I do, considering I've been surrounded by it since I was like three.) I would say I'm on the edge of atheism and agnosticism? Or both? I don't really know how to explain it, I'm not 100% sure that there isn't a higher power, I certainly don't believe in one, if there was solid proof I might consider it, I think the idea of a higher power is comforting to many, yet I think it's not something I need? (That was a run on sentence) As for ethicality, I define it as in what we, individually consider to be right and wrong (Looking back I think I needed to clarify a little, and I'm sure I used it wrong somewhere) I also agree that society, the government, or anything can't set beliefs for anyone. I believe it is an individual thing. I also agree that humans cannot set objective fact, we have what we consider to be objective facts, that aren't. Things that, for the sake of simplicity, or not thinking about it hard enough, we consider objective facts (hence my murder is inherently wrong thing that initially sparked this, I believe that murder is inherently wrong, as do a lot of people, but not everyone.) Just because society at large doesn't agree with you, your opinions on morality don't cease to matter. What you do about it depends on the kind of person you are, along with how strong your opinions are. I would also say no, I don't believe a society of imperfect beings can do anything perfect in the first place. Humans are flawed. I think objective morality can exist without a higher power, just for example, right now, lets pretend there is no higher power, however, no one knows this for certain. Everyone still holds their same religious beliefs. What changes? I argue nothing, I don't think there's a higher power in the first place. As another example, let's go the other direction. Let's say there is a higher power, and no one still knows for certain if there is or isn't. I argue nothing changes either. Now, what if we take those two examples but everyone knows that there is or isn't a higher power? And if there is a higher power, what about people who believe in polytheistic religions? What if there are multiple higher powers? If we ignore all of that, I think things would change at first, but I also really don't know what would happen if one day there was evidence, or lack thereof, of a higher power. That's what I assumed you'd say. Are there major themes across every religion? There are so many holy texts and prophets, does that mean there are multiple higher powers? Or just multiple interpretations of the same one? As for modern day prophets, I really don't know enough about them to speak on the topic, besides knowing that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is led by one. (Fun fact: I just realized that it's not The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter-Day Saints, I don't really know where I pulled the "and the" from) Anyway, thank you for reading all of this, I look forward to hearing you response.

Nyks nodded silently and walked forward.

"Shoe, where did you come from?" Nyks asked

"More of a colleague or associate, if anything a general nuisance."

Nyks sighed, "He's one of the Twenty-eight back--uh--home, I don't think I'm apart of my home universe anymore. Which means I have to go over everything." She paused, taking a deep breath. "Scrutator is probably why I'm stuck here, he gets me places. I'm not going to go over Voidwalking, it's too complicated for your young mind. I also don't want to explain it since I'm paranoid about someone using the idea before I do, not that I don't trust you guys, I'm just really fond of it. Overall, he allows for planetary transportation, generally everywhere, he is quite skilled." Nyks paused, suddenly remembering something. "Have you seen a shortish teenage boy, about yay high," Nyks gestured to her neck, "Brown hair, blueish eyes, relatively pale, goes by Aero and generally talks a lot? Might have his dog with him too. He was supposed to follow me so I suspect he might be here as well, though he can be notorious for not listening."

I got some caramel corn for you guys, want some? I can also eat it all

I can't tell if you're trying to argue that an absence of religion in a society creates no morals or ethics, or if you believe that ethics are set by a higher power and without that society could easily slip into chaos. I hesitate to say nothing is inherently wrong, I believe abuse, rape, and genocide are not okay in any situation, amongst other things. Sure, one can argue murder isn't inherently wrong, because I'm sure there are valid reasons to kill someone (Ie mercy killing/whatever Navani did for Raboniel), but I think you get the general point. I agree that in another society, murder could be smiled upon. Also as an atheist (sorta, we could go into a whole conversation about my religion but I'm leaving it at that, I do not believe in any higher power) I don't know what sets ethicality besides society and how we're raised. I don't believe in harming others and will do my best to protect those who cannot protect themselves (I'm a windrunner, what do you expect?). I don't believe in objective morality, I believe as society we set what what is moral and what isn't, not a higher power. Plus people have different morals, a serial killer and I would not have the same set of morals. And how would a higher power communicate I hope I'm not misunderstanding your question, I'm happy to explain my stances further and would love to hear more about yours. I also hope I don't sound to argumentative, I really enjoy hearing others perspectives on things