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Cool, I've personally felt like Discord made sense (for the exact reasons you mentioned) since I was introduced to the idea; good to know it's not just me being convinced by a fringe theory lol.

Yeah, definitely true -- I'd meant to imply that Worldhoppers would be included in my "some influence" part, but that wasn't clear. I'd never interpreted the dead Terrisman as a Hemalurgic kill before, since the description doesn't seem quite messy enough (though if there's a WOB, ignore me lol). But that's interesting to consider.

Sigzil's mention that he could be turned into a useful spike was interesting to me, yeah. Unsurprisingly, I guess knowledge of Hemalurgy has spread through the cosmere (at least to some privileged groups), but I wonder what specific attribute they'd be stealing from him. Connection to his former Dawnshard seems likely, but also somewhat vague, as we know that things like Linguistic Connection are separate from other kinds of Connection -- and I would assume spike placement needs to be specific to get the right kind. If I remember correctly, Spook got some info on Hemalurgy, but would it have gone that in-depth? Did Harmony become Discord (not sure how widely accepted this theory is as a possible route) and spread the specifics (intentionally or otherwise)? Or, most concerningly, did some other Shard (via an avatar/follower), or some influence on Scadrial (e.g. remnants of The Set) figure it out? So much to look forward to learning about! And theorize about, for now.

Sure, early-morning mistake on my part, and you're definitely right about which cause they find legal basis/justification for. Regardless, allying with the Fused + Singers still relies on being okay with the fact that Odium guides their movement like... almost completely. We have no reason to believe that most Fused are resisting Odium in some way or another (Leshwi, arguably, doesn't even do this until the end of RoW; and Raboniel is resisting kind of, but only in the sense that she seeks an end to the endless warring through the victory of either side). And, in turn, the Fused guide the Singers, some of whom resist, but the Skybreakers are allying with the combat force (at the moment) and not the (few) rebels. Either way, might be letting this get away from the topic of the post lol.

Makes a ton of sense lol, totally get why it links straight to Sigzil now but I was like "I know this is mentioned somewhere and not linked to him (directly)."

Oh, and per Sigzil’s age, he frankly doesn’t seem hurt/broken enough to be 400 years old, but I agree that 80 is too young. Sadly there’s probably not enough of a timeline at the moment to accurately place him, but anywhere from 120-200 at least feels right to me.

I feel like 3 is of particular note given the Skybreakers (as an organization under Nale) overwhelmingly joined Odium, save for Szeth. From the limited interaction(s?) we’ve seen between Szeth and his highspren, the Knight Radiant is — as Aux referred to Sigzil — treated like a squire in their agreement; which, to me, indicates that the highspren themselves find Odium’s cause just. In that case, what does it mean or imply that Sigzil, who I feel like we can say with near certainty didn’t change sides, bonded a highspren? Obviously individuals can exist outside the order-as-faction (re: Szeth), and we know that spren civilizations aren’t monoliths (e.g. the various honorspren factions in RoW), but this still strikes me as particularly notable. Additionally, it seems doubtful that Sigzil would break his bond in a way that would leave his honorspren a deadeye, so what does that tell us about Ba-Ado-Mishram/the state of spren and Rosharan Spiritwebs in the years following RoW? Lots of questions, and it’s 5:34 AM for me so my brain isn’t totally working, but I’m curious to hear what other people think. And myself once I’ve slept.

That’s why the name was familiar to me, god. I literally went to the Coppermind the moment I saw the name Zellion mentioned, but of course no dice — because it’s from the Kickstarter.

Actually been a pretty long-time lurker (since I fully read the Cosmere a few years ago and have kept up since) but finally decided to make an account so I can like... contribute to discussion lol. Not sure what else to say, but looking forward to discussing with everyone!

On the whole, I think you’re right in that the Father Machine can take Investiture from any Invested entity — which is horrifying in its own right. But from what I gathered, this Investiture-slurping was really a consequence of poor design (hah) and Awakening by the Four Scholars: the machine needed any raw Investiture to operate and sustain/maintain itself, so it indiscriminately targeted the easy-to-access humans. With that as fuel, it could attract the Hijo and use their particular Investiture to make tools or hion. Spren Investiture doesn’t get the Father Machine anything other than fuel.