Underwater_Worldhopper

I suppose that's possible, but the only confirmed way we know that can happen is through Identity manipulation. Stripping away your Identity is that dangerous precisely because they make every aspect of you lack that defense. Your physical body, your Spiritual Aspect, they all lose that Identity. Feruchemy often deals with turning physical things about you into Investiture and back, and we've already seen that lacking Identity can make those accessible to others. I kind of see it as the Spiritual Aspect's version of antigens. Identity keeps the soul and your Investiture separate from everything else and safeguards it from outside interference, such as locking Metalminds to other Feruchemists, preventing your Breaths from being taken by somebody else, possibly keeping a record of your self-perception and your ideal form, keeping track of what you, the person, the personality, the consciousness in your mind, are at any given moment (including what your history is, this is the stuff that rejects Soulstamps), etc. That's why it's dangerous to strip it all away. Yes, you could make cool things like Unkeyed Metalminds or Unkeyed ACs, but it could also mean that someone who knows what they're doing could steal your Breaths, or Soulstamp you in a much more effective, maybe permanent way. Identity probably also helps in part to make you resistant to being Soulcasted, and (this one is a bit more far-fetched) maybe even to Emotional Allomancy, all of which you would also become susceptible too.

Could it be that this painting was made before Vorin sensibilities about modesty sleeves developed, and the thing about her being depicted as too young to need one despite her obviously being older than that being a later justification for why someone so important in their religion wouldn't be wearing one?

I am gobsmacked. You kinda lost me at the end, but wow did this make so much sense.

Just something that struck me while I was designing a magic system for my Mercy world on the Combined Shard names thread. let's say there is an Aluminum Ferring on Nalthis that has a lot of Breaths, called Joe Breath-Haver. If Joe so chooses, he can store away his Identity and then Awaken something, so that anyone who knows can take the Breaths from the Awakened Construct. There exists also on Nalthis a Friend of Joe's, called Bob Stealsalot. Bob is very Realmatically knowledgeable and knows what Joe is doing. So Bob, who would like some Breaths, asks Joe to prove that he can create Awakened Constructs in a way so anyone can retrieve the Breaths. Joe obliges, but before he can Awaken anything, Bob slaps him in the face and says "Your Breath to mine". Since Joe's Breaths are currently Identitiless, they obey Bob's Command and all go to him. Bob then runs away cackling, having just committed literal Identity theft. Is there anything stopping this from actually happening?

Another random thought I'd like to toss out there: While Im gonna side with Alder and say I don't think the opportunity and means to make an Investiture bomb will ever fall into the hands of a member of the public, and that neither their development nor their use will be nearly so ubiquitous as that, What if the Outer Cities (Bilming especially) get their hands on Bavadinium and Harmonium, and then the whole internal Basin conflict becomes way more dangerous? Bilming could easily have access to Bavadinium, either through the things they confiscated from the Set or through a member of the Set who was never caught, and I doubt that the local leaders of the Outer Cities would have passed up the opportunity to buy and hoard Harmonium the second the Malwish started selling. Wouldn't that be a nightmare

Just a little crack theory that's struck me seeing all the Discord/Harmony vs Autonomy talk, what if Autonomy's next plan is to drive The SoScads and Elendelians to war against each other, to try and exacerbate Harmony's inner Discord dilemma?

The name is Aonic, but I think a WoB said somewhere that both Domi and Jaddeth take inspiration from both Devotion and Dominion, but that Domi focuses a more on the Devotion side of things and Jaddeth on Dominion.

It mentions in the books somewhere that the Elendel government has enough Trellium squirelled away to be dangerous, so even if more doesn't come into being later, there's still that original stash.

He's a Cognitive Shadow. True, but those are relatively minor things that peek out despite being suppressed because there's only so much you can do with that much Investiture while it's still inside you.

Could it be that those are the only ones he has, so far?

You could put all of them in a single item without it being that obvious. There is also the matter of if Compounded Breaths can be given away at all. That wouldn't really do anything, per the Law of Comparibility: we see from Vasher that you lose the Heightenings when you suppress the Divine Breath, I dont see why that shouldn’t include agelessness too

I don't think one follows from the other, the two work inherently differently. The bit about splitting Breaths isn't relevant to whether or not you can suppress them.

Rocks on Roshar aren't any more alive and powerful than anything else on Roshar, like trees or metal. I don't quite get what you mean about the Christian, Jews, and Pagans thing.

Some things just don't interact with Aluminum's field. Not because they're too strong, but because they just don't. It's pedantic to say Nightblood would become a steel sword when in the presence of Aluminum, but Forgery, while it cannot affect Aluminum, has no problem Forging things within it's field, and Forgery is a low-Investiture Art. Even still, when Nightblood is wielded against its Aluminum sheath, it stops just like a regular steel sword, just the same as an ordinary Shardblade would have. Nightblood's telepathic communication, though, could be stopped by an Aluminum band around the head, as well as his 'test', which are both likened to EA. Like Therunner said, he isn't completely covered. The Investiture couldn't keep you going. It will heal your body as best it can, but if the unhealed damage done would stop you if you weren't Invested, you'd drop even if you were. Investiture can't keep you going supernaturally like that. Investiture healing is again not nearly powerful enough to overpower the field effect of Aluminum, which we see does effect Invested healing. So it wouldn't be just the Aluminum itself, but an area around it too. Where the brain is concerned, that little extra area makes it so much more likely to be lethal.

Well, it's not that hard of a rule. You could Soulcast Aluminum if you really wanted to, provided six Shards of Adonalsium are backing the transformation up with their full power. Beyond that, Nightblood can, just a little, bypass Aluminum. Wounds made with his sheath still on leave blackened tissue.

True, but the amount of extra Investiture needed to push through most effects of Aluminum is so large that the comparatively small difference between something like EA and Stormlight wouldn't be enough to make a difference. Also note that even if that is the case, even a bullet/bullet fragment-sized damage to the brain can be severely hindering depending on where it is, going from general mind fog to loss of motor function. Not to mention the panic factor of suddenly being shot in such a deadly place and being unable to heal from it, and the fact that with an auto-aiming gun, you could fire multiple times wherever you please.

Bullets do often fragment inside, and Aluminum projects enough of a "No magic here" zone to fully protect someone's head from EA from all angles from just a band in their hat. Also wanted to mention, brain damage is usually enough to kill a regular Bloodmaker, Miles survived because of his Savantism (most likely, unless he had a Bavadinium spike the entire time). The rumors about the LR were purposefully exaggerated to help his reputation as unkillable and god-like early in his reign.

They cannot. It probably wasn't mentioned for Wayne because the Set uses Aluminum alloys for their bullets (because of the aforementioned horrific ballistics) which retain the Allomantic inertness, but evidently don't carry any of it's other properties. That said, they may have mentioned it, I'll check in a second and update this post if it is. Excerpt from the Coppermind: Other than Feruchemy and Hemalurgy (where it isn't yet canon) Aluminum cannot be Invested in any form, and disrupts most Invested Arts. The ones it doesn't disrupt, it interacts really weirdly with.

That's a headshot from an Aluminum bullet, not just a normal one.

I don't think that's saying that Breaths can be suppressed, just that you can separate them from the Divine Breath to make sure you don't kill yourself Awakening.

There's no evidence that A-Copper interacts at all with the color aura. The only confirmed interaction of A-Copper with Heightenings is that it blocks Life Sense. I don't think it would work like that. I don't think an Aetherbound could use innate Investiture to fuel their Aether. It would be keyed and connected to them, it would be inaccessible to the Aether.

You could Compound your way up to as many Heightenings as you want starting with just a single Breath, that isn't the problem. If these amalgamated Breaths can't Awaken, you'd need to have a whole other trove of Breaths, and the first ten Heightenings don't help at all with being more efficient with use of Breath, so you'd still need to acquire some hundreds of regular Breaths to be an effiective Awakener. Plus Heightenings to that degree would be incredibly obvious and tempting for literally everyone to try their hand at stealing them, so you'd need to go around with them almost always in your Nicrosilminds or Invested in your clothes. Whenever you wish to Awaken to your highest degree, you'd have to reveal what you are, and immediately become a target.

You're banking too much on the liberal definition of god. If someone worships rocks (looking at you, Shinovar), then the rocks are gods to them. That does not mean that rocks are suddenly equivalent to a Shard, just because they're both things that people worship. It just means that in some people's opinion and perspective, rocks are deities. That does not make rocks objectively deities. Jasnah is Vorin, and was raised worshipping the Almighty, who is much closer to the Abrahamic version of god. Once you're raised around the idea that god is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, eternal, presiding over life and death, and the creator of everything, it seems stupid to worship anything else that's not all of the above because only a being who fits those criteria can be worthy of worship and truly a "God", because if they aren't, what happens when something more powerful than that entity comes along? You keep running into the problem of "But then someone more powerful comes along" until you reach that roof of Abrahamic "God is supreme and absolutely in control of everything". In the Cosmere, that goes from Spren and Elantrians to Avatars to Shards to Adonalsium, where it hits the peak. yet Adonalsium died just like any other mortal, so he can't have been God because God shouldn't be killable. Enter the God Beyond, who could check all those boxes, except we have no proof of his existence. Jasnah has seen that Shards can die, Vessel and all. They aren't eternal, they aren't the creators of everything, and they aren't omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent. That means they aren't God. It's unclear whether she knows about Adonalsium, and he did create everything so far as we can tell, but he too died, nay, was killed by mortals, so he can't have been god either. The God Beyond could qualify, but Jasnah has no proof of his existence, so he's out too. What does that leave her with? The power of Shards means nothing when deciding if they're gods or not. Yes, some things have more power than humans. But power alone isn't the deciding factor. Jasnah has more power than a normal person. Is she a God? By some definitions, sure. But not by her standards. If she acknowledges that Shards exist and have power, people who worship Shards will go "Ha! So you accept it! They are gods!", But that's not the case at all. She's just acknowledging that this being that they call God exists, not that the being actually is God. By their definition, the Shard is unquestionably God, so acknowledging that they exist is also formally acknowledging that God exists and thus the fact that you are not an atheist, even if you don't worship them. But Jasnah's requirements for something to be God are higher than what a Shard can qualify for, and she doesn't consider them to be God, so is still an atheist by her own definition and that of people who share her requirements. Yes, she isn't an atheist by the Shard-worshippers standard, but when discussing the atheism of someone else, does their opinion matter? No, not it does not. By calling Hoid a god, she is acknowledging that other people worship him as such, not an admittance that she considers him to be one.

Tough call between Preservation and Harmony. As a Mistborn, you can: Manipulate people's emotions (my favorite power) travel insanely quickly and use any metal as a bullet Become stronger, more balanced, and tireless Have magnified senses See your own future (Can be very combat effective with enough training) Speed up time Slow down time (no more boring waiting or long commutes!) Flare any of these to extreme levels As a Feruchemist, you can: Weigh as much or as little as you wish, (not very hard to store up) Increased muscle mass, but requires storing it equivalently first increased speed, but requires storing it equivalently first increased senses, but requires storing it equivalently first Indefinite memories (requires forgetting them) increased wakefulness, but requires storing it equivalently first increased mental speed, but requires storing it equivalently first Be as hot or cold as you like (not very hard to store up) learn a language or become friends with anyone, or conversely become completely unnoticeable. (not very hard to store up) Increased Intuition, but requires storing it equivalently first heal faster, but requires storing it equivalently first increased determination, but requires storing it equivalently first decreased need to eat, but requires storing it equivalently first decreased need to breathe, but requires storing it equivalently first In my opinion, though Feruchemy grants way more actively useful abilities, the powers the Allomancy grants come with no cost and are a lot more supernatural, so they're roughly on par with one another. I'm gonna say I'll serve Preservation, Feruchemy is more quality of life stuff, Allomancy fits the dramatic lifestyle I have much better.

Nicrosilminds in Feruchemy, Nicrosil Medallions, and H-Nicrosil are different from one another. So far as we can tell, F-Nicrosil can store innate Investiture only, so you could store something like Breaths into it, but probably not Stormlight (Unless you hack it). You can do some weird things with this where you eventually end up with an ability in the Nicrosilmind, but F-Nicrosil wasn't made to store powers specifically, so the result, Medallions, are restrictive. For example, you can only store weight in an Iron Medallion, but not tap it, and you can only tap heat from a Brass Medallion, but not store it. WoB says you could also make Medallions for other powers like Sand Mastery or Surgebinding with F-Nicrosil, but the fact that you can create power-giving Medallions using F-Nicrosil at all is more of a bug than a feature. Storing innate Investiture is not the same as storing "X Y and Z" abilities, even if you can eventually achieve one with the other. Think of it like how you can use metal lines to see, where that wasn't the intended purpose of the power at all, and most people who have access to it don't use it for that or don't even know that it's possible, but it definitely works for that purpose and is even better than regular sight in some cases. Get a little bit more advanced, and you can isolate Steelsight from A-Steel/Iron altogether and get it on its own, like what Kelsier is doing. It's a novel and abstract use of the power in a way you wouldn't expect, but one that totally works. In the same way, most Soulbearers don't know it's possible to use their powers in such a way, and the layman would only be using it to make themselves more or less Invested by shoving basically their soul in and out of a Nicrosilmind. But by doing very specific things, they could create Medallions. H-Nicrosil is different in this regard. I think your confusion comes from the fact that F-Nicrosil can, in storing Investiture, eventually, store the ability to use powers. The thing is, Feruchemy and Hemalurgy are different from one another, and what a metal Feruchemically stores vs what it Hemalurgically steals has nothing to do with one another. F-Iron stores weight, H-Iron steals strength. F-Electrum stores determination, H-Electrum steals Enhancement Allomancy. F-Nicrosil stores innate Investiture, H-Nicrosil steals general Investiture. Innate Investiture is Investiture to do with your soul, and general Investiture is all Investiture that isn't doing something specific. Breaths are both Innate and general, because they latch onto your soul and become part of it, and at the same time do nothing but sit around until someone Awakens something. Hemalurgic Nicrosil doesn't adhere to the parameters of Feruchemical Nicrosil because it isn't Feruchemy. Its function is to steal general Investiture, which it does. The bits of your soul that give you powers don't fall under "General Investiture", so it can't steal them. But it can steal Breaths, because they are just general Investiture, because the power you gain access to through them comes not from the Breaths themselves but by your application of them. H-Atium, meanwhile, steals the bits of your soul that specifically give you powers. This won't include things like Breaths, because that's just general Investiture and doesn't give you any powers. Now, once you store Breaths (or a Divine Breath) into a Nicrosilmind, you can indeed Compound it. But remember, Compounding makes use of Preservation's Investiture. By compounding Breaths, you're just tacking Preservation's Investiture onto the Breaths and making each of them worth more Investiture, but you'd still have only the same amount of Breaths, which won't help you with Awakening at all (I have a feeling that you couldn't even use these Frankenstein's Monster Breaths to Awaken in the first placed, but I can't put my finger on why). You could use this to achieve higher Heightenings, but you won't get any benefit from it in regards to Awakening, if it doesn't just sacrifice your ability to Awaken altogether in the first place. The same goes for a Divine Breath, but those can't be used to Awaken at all, so if you want to achieve more Heightenings, Compounding this one would be best. And no, you can't use a Divine Breath to Awaken, that's not how they work, irrespective of how big of a one you have. Hope that clears things up.