Andrew the Great

Well we did miss the official dates. We could, of course, still do it, but it's not quite the same......

Finally! *Does a little happy dance*

You know, it's ironic too, because I really don't post on TWG all that often anymore. I guess more than anything I just hate to see the huge amount of information we had amassed there go away.

It'd be an interesting test, certainly. I daresay you're right that no one's done it.

TheFinisher4Ever:  Realize that Shardplate grants increased physical abilities. While some of said jumping around was likely Windrunning, it's also likely that a lot of it is just jumping.

I don't think that the plate allows for storage of stormlight, or the gems would be unnecessary to power it. Unless that's just a modern innovation? But I got the impression that shardplate had always been that way.

I like it. And, also, to be clear, (I wonder how many phrases I can offset with commas before this sentence becomes completely incoherent), I have no problems with your points as well. In fact, I greatly appreciate them. As I mentioned (earlier in this thread, I believe), I feel like we take a lot for granted and just don't stop to consider all possibilities. I appreciate the fact that you're moving past the obvious.

You see, I don't usually come up with all that many original ideas on my own, when it comes to rampant theorizing. I tend to be much better at either refuting points or reinforcing them, depending on my mood. If I didn't have naysayers out there, my life would get very boring, very quickly.

I'm also very much trying to keep from deliberately overlooking the most obvious option, ever since Hero of Ages came out. In the months just before it came out, we pretty much had the basic theory behind hemalurgy right, and then we said, "No, that can't be right. It's way too obvious!" And then we proceeded to create the longest thread ever, in which we all developed incredibly detailed, convoluted versions of how we thought hemalurgy would work. And when the book came out? It was, of course, our first guess, which we had dismissed. (Granted, we were not very detailed in our guessing at first. But we got the general ideas right.)

So if it seems like I'm immediately refuting everything you say just out of spite, that's probably not the case. I just tend to be opinionated, and I stick by my opinions until someone proves me wrong or I see another possibility that seems more likely. Or I decide to play devil's advocate for a bit.

But, as mentioned, that means that I need people to disagree with me, because otherwise I pretty much don't think.

I don't know. The forum is more suited to discussion, whereas the Coppermind is more intended for the permanent, confirmed knowledge. The answers to all questions should get put into a page on the Coppermind, I agree, but the questions themselves are better off in the forum.

(I apologize in advance for the long post)

What do you mean? Those are the best kind!

1) The pool is an hour hike (p. 354) away from the city. While this is hardly continents away, it is something

Yeah....that's kind of weak. An hour away isn't far. Assuming that they're walking, we're talking somewhere between 5 - 8 miles. With a lot of cities, that would still technically be considered part of the city itself, or would be so closely related to it, it would get referred to as part of Elantris anyway.

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The question is, then, can we figure it out, given the same information?

I'd say this will likely get easier when Elantris 2 comes out.

I don't think the stormlight is the focus. Stormlight is the energy used, more like the Dor than the aons. I think the focus likely has something to do with the individual lashings, which so far are all based around a force (basic lashing is based around weight, for example). I'm betting that we don't know what the focus is yet because it isn't a question that the characters in the book have asked yet.

The only thing I could think of that might be the focus is the spren. So far, Sveth is the only one we have seen using the stormlight without a fabrial that doesn't have an obvious connection with the spren.

I see stormlight as being akin to the metals in Mistborn. The metals aren't the actual source of the energy, even though they control what you do with it and have uses outside allomancy. Stormlight has uses outside of the magic systems we've seen so far, such as illumination, but it actually works in almost exactly the same way as the metals do. Think about it - in mistborn, when you run out of metal, you can no longer continue to use allomancy. In WoK, when you run out of Stormlight, you can no longer use magic (or at least the systems that we know of).

Similarly, in Mistborn, the metals control what you do with the energy they allow you to access. In WoK, the Stormlight is what allows the magic users to control what they do with the energy they have access to - it isn't the energy itself. I'd imagine that the way people get stronger and faster when they hold stormlight is also a result of the connection it provides to energy, much as Pewter does in Mistborn.

So no, I really can't explain how Stormlight would work as a focus in terms of the Aons. But when compared to the metals, it actually makes a lot of sense. I also think this is probably a better comparison, since most of the magic we've seen so far in WoK seems more akin to allomancy than AonDor. Though there's still a connection, I think these two are more closely related.

I may also change my opinion several times when we get into some of the specifics of soulcasting and other magic systems on Roshar, of course, but for now, I'm sticking with Stormlight.

tvtropes.com

yes.

Caused the death of hours upon hours of my life. Was totally worth it. And the 300 plus tabs I had open in firefox.

And incredibly depressing. I realized we were missing it too, but like Eero said, it's kind of a TWG thing.

I propose that Gerenid's Certainty Principle be voted into the canon as the official name for stated principle. All in favor?

That's unfortunate. I like Scribbler much better than The Rithmatist.

I would like to announce that I wrote 14,000 words today to finish NaNoWriMo. But I won, so it was all worth it.

Did you get it in by midnight?

Yeah. I just didn't come around here till later. I actually won at about 10:30.

Also, I would like to announce that four hours is far too long for almost any show, but more so for operas.

Welcome, Andrea! Always a pleasure to see a new face around here.

I, too, was converted to Brandonism while checking to see if I approved of his finishing WoT. I like to make the justification that buying Brandon's books is better value than buying others, because they're longer. This makes Way of Kings pretty much the best buy ever, and makes you feel better about buying it. (2.5 cents per page? I can do that.....)

In any case, glad to have you, and hope you stick around!

Welcome! We're glad to have you around!

I would like to announce that I wrote 14,000 words today to finish NaNoWriMo. But I won, so it was all worth it.

Shortly after Kaladin kills the Shardbearer, Amaram comes in and kills his men and sells Kaladin into slavery. As he's entering, this happens:

....why Thaidakar would risk this?" Amaram was saying, speaking in a soft voice. "But who else would it be? The Ghostbloods grow more bold. We'll need to find out who he was. Do we know anything about him?"

Thaidakar is the leader of the Ghostbloods, and the fact that he mentions them by name as well is interesting. Though we don't know for sure that it was them.

Yes, but I think that reference in particular was pointing out that humans leak stormlight when they breath. It doesn't have anything to do with heartbeats.

That said, that doesn't mean that it's not a possible focus. Though I still think Stormlight more likely.

Is that how you found us, finally? I found 17th shard while digging around for Hoid's Compendium, so that's why I ask. When I later (and when I say later, I mean approximately an hour or so) found out they were one and the same, it all started making sense.

Hi kendra! Good to see you again!

And yes, TWG died. It was greatly saddening.

Anyway, glad to have you around, and I hope you'll stay with us for a bit!

EDIT: Also, I forgot to mention it, but the title of this thread kinda was a deja vu moment for me. I'm relatively sure that this is almost exactly the same thread title Miyabi used after returning from his extended absence from TWG.

That's usually how I've seen it as well. But it's much more fun coining terms that make no sense.

Well I managed to get a single copy at the Orem Barnes and Noble last Wednesday, but that was the last one they had. I imagine it's all over the place by now. And Tuesday, it'll definitely be everywhere.

By the way, Brandon is evil.

My guess is that it's coincidental, based on the fact that in order to revolt, one usually has to have a reason to revolt. The people who are on top in the hierarchy usually don't have much motivation to change things.

I would like to announce that I am incredibly jealous of Leinton.

Also, only 21,000 words to go on NaNo. Sweet. But most of them will happen tonight, after I get done here. So actually, most of them will get done tomorrow morning......

I'm now only fifteen thousand words behind on NaNo!

That, and I got out of doing a midterm until Monday due to blizzard warnings. And my Dorm flooded. But I live on the second floor, so all's well.

I must have missed that part. But I don't trust you. And oh. It was sort! That's right! I was kinda wondering why we would have ever trusted kaz with power that colossal.

I require verification from someone other than you.