Wandering Shade

On 2/22/2022 at 11:58 AM, Bzhydack said:

I would laugh out lout at all theorethists here, if it turned out that Kelsier simply were given new, good proper body by Harmony, and was sent by him to the South to save Southerners (differently, to compare how this would work).

I mean, the mistwraith body that Kell has right now (if our theories are right), could have been given to him by Harmony, but I doubt it. When they talked at the end of Secret History, Sazed made it clear that he wasn't going to give Kelsier a new body.

Paraphrased
Kelsier: "Do you think there's a way for me to get a body again"
Sazed: "Nope. Definitely not. Nada."
Kelsier: "....Liar."
 

Warbreaker does have a bit of a weird plot and the ending is definitely not the best that BrandoSando has written. I feel like Siri could have slowly realized that the priests were trustworthy and that Bluefingers was not, rather than learning it all right away at the end. That might have helped the flow a little, or it might not have, not sure.

Nightblood is fantastic.

Vivenna's plot seems to be the one that BrandoSando liked the most, since it was the best written out of it all three. Siri's could have been better, but I did like Lightsong's a lot too.

Good luck getting into Stormlight!! Hope you enjoy it

On 2/19/2022 at 3:06 PM, Bzhydack said:

When Marasi taped Bands, she literaly started glowing and emit Mists - waht is basicly equivalent of semi-opened Perpendicularity.

That sounds more like any Radiant holding Stormlight to me. Too much magic in too flawed a container.

3 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said:

Spoiler

Yes, Vasher moved to Roshar after Warbreaker so he could survive on Stormlight (avoiding taking people's Breaths). He can't Awaken with it, though (or at least doesn't know how to do so, yet).

 

Spoiler that please.

Ah, you right, you right. Damn, I read those annotations recently too. Must've gotten it mixed up in my head.

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

He knew about it, and so did the inquisitors.

But they only started using it after Ruin's release, right? And there's no plaque in the caches describing it like there was for electrum and malatium and aluminum.

I'll concede that its possible TLR knew about it, but I don't think that inquisitors did until Ruin was released.

On 2/17/2022 at 11:40 PM, Trusk'our said:

In fact, it may be that the reason The Lord Ruler was able to sooth so powerfully was because he used Allomantic duralumin

I could be wrong about this, but don't we have confirmation that TLR didn't know about and never used Duralumin?

2 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

True. Very, very true.

Not only that, but by that time we'll know almost everything there is to know in the Cosmere, so if they have any questions, we'll be on the "inside" of what's going on, and can say "yeah, this is how that stuff actually works".   

I actually doubt that we'd know everything there is to know. BrandoSando is someone who likes to keep his fanbase guessing and I feel like at the end of the Cosmere, there'll still be things that we see that could have multiple possible interpretations among the fans.

RoW

She probably means the vacuum of space and the weird cold boiling and stuff that happens in a vacuum

3 hours ago, robardin said:

Right, but if you tap (your own) coppermind, you don't have to be in constant contact with it to retain the memory, right? You're "getting it back". And a coppermind was the analogy given in that WoB as to the nature of an unsealed metalmind.

Otherwise, once you "offloaded" a memory of something into a coppermind, you could ONLY access it while tapping that particular coppermind.

Well maybe that is how it works, actually, I just never thought about it. I sort of assumed the "identity-free" aspect of the unsealed metalmind was the twist.

When you tap a coppermind, you are returning that memory you stored to your mind. Then it's in your head until you want to store it again. You dont need to be in constant contact with the metalmind after you've tapped it, but you do for the act of tapping it and the act of storing it away again.

But copper is something of an exception since most metalminds give something to you only for when you're tapping it and the moment you stop tapping (or stop touching the metalmind) you lose whatever you would have been gaining.

As for what this means to Nicrosilminds and Medallions, I think it means that you tap the nicrosilmind and gain the ability to tap the other metalmind(s) in the medallion. And when your done using the medallion, you store that ability back in the nicrosilmind. I think.

1 hour ago, robardin said:

I'm thinking it's a contact thing with an unsealed metalmind - once you lose physical contact with it, the (false) Connection is broken and the ability is lost. Or perhaps, the Identity-less aspect is lost, and you lose access to the power because it's no longer free anybody.

Its a contact thing with all metalminds. You need to be in contact with the metal that the Investiture is stored in.

4 minutes ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

Yea, I know, but I mean using this to go from one planet to another nearly instantaneously.

Set up an Oathgate on another planet. I bet you that's what going to happen in the future.

6 hours ago, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

Thought on not just FTL, but on near-instantaneous teleportation: Spiritual realm has no distance, only connection. So if people could find an easy way to hop into it, (not via perpendicularity) They should be able to use the connection to travel from one place to another almost instantaneously, bypassing space altogether, similar to what cytonics do in the cytoverse with the nowhere.

This is how Oathgates work. They create a mini perpendicularity which moves everything on the platform into the Spiritual and then due to the Connection between the Oathgates they can transport to another one. At least, that's how I understand it.

4 hours ago, Frustration said:

They can't be infinate, as there is only a finite amount of investiture in the Cosmere.

Well that puts a hamper on my theory lol

I think if you just drop gemstones in a perpendicularity with the Intent for them to be filled with its power, they would be filled.

Honor's Perpendicularity is weird in that it's designed to fill all nearby gemstones.

2 hours ago, DiePie said:

I've been holding the theory that while Roshar is going to dominate the cognitive realm as there are 20 portals on Roshar that allow consistent access to the cognitive realm, not even counting the Perpendicularities and Radiants who can transfer between realms. Rosharan magic is also extremely well-optimized for land-based warfare, which is most of the cognitive realm.

But that Scadrial is going to dominate Physical-realm, due to being the first to develop true FTL (era 4 was always supposed to be space-opera-y type stuff), and also the Metallic Arts having the best exploitable gimmicks for less traditional types of battles.

Yeah that sounds about right. Roshar is also gonna be good at sending singular scouts out to distance planets due to Gravitation, but I think they'll mostly come to dominate Shadesmar. Especially since Brandon has said that Shadesmar is also generally used as the term for the Cognitive Realm is general by a lot of scholars.

That's a question to ask Brandon. I feel like I've seen this question in a WOB before, but I'm not sure and currently dont have time to check.

But my gut instinct is they can tap, but they cannot store anything in the metalmind.

There are multiple scales of infinity. I personally believe that Shards are legitimately infinite, but that the Vessel is psychologically incapable of wielding truly infinite power. As for Splinters, I think they're just smaller infinities. Does it seem like Syl will every run out of energy and die? Not to me.

6 hours ago, HSuperLee said:

In the end, I'd probably go a-steel, f-tin. Though now I'm wondering if you can store steelsight in a tin-mind. That way you could potentially have inquisitor level steelsight by tapping on top of normal burning. It would be quite interesting if that was the case.

Woah. That sounds very plausible to me. Steelsight is a sense and tinminds store senses independently, so being able to store steelsight seems logical to me.

18 hours ago, honorblades said:

Sometimes, but not always. The Heralds & the Fused are both different kinds of Cognitive Shadows, neither able to leave the Rosharan system. 

The Returned clearly have no problem leaving, and it appears that Shades may be able to leave the Threnodite system as well. It's kinda messy. 

I meant that Cognitive Shadows can leave their system once they mess with their Connection, but that even when monkeying with Connection, a Sliver still can't leave. Sorry I didn't make that clear, but yeah I do agree with you on this.

11 minutes ago, honorblades said:

I feel like the fact that Kelsier definitely has access to this power and yet as of RoW is still trapped on Scadrial implies . . . something. That (as a Cognitive Shadow) you can't store enough Connection to leave the system? 

I think Cognitive Shadows can leave.

But Slivers can't.

Remember, Kelsier isn't just your average Cognitive Shadow. He's held Preservation, he's a Sliver now. And that changes the rules a bit, probably.

It could be a combo of storing specific Connections and the ability to form Connections. Like, depending on your Intent when storing you could store either the Connections themselves or the ability to form them. The same with Tin, where you can store specific senses or all at once.

On 2/7/2022 at 0:12 PM, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

maybe having a constant conduit to the spiritual realm would give you infinite energy?

You'd have constantly refueling energy, not infinite. Those are different things. To get infinite, the Radiant would have to be able to hold infinite energy within themselves and that's not going to happen unless they're a Shard, at which point it kinda disqualifies then from being a Radiant.

2 hours ago, Nameless said:

We don't know that the stigma existed back then.

We kinda do. The In-Universe text Words of Radiance was written only a few centuries after the Recreance and it talks about how one of the powers of the Unmade is seeing the future. Not one of the powers of the Truthwatchers.

Nevermind, I got Words of Radiance and Mythica confused. I thought Words of Radiance also mentions the Unmade, but it doesn't. My bad

4 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said:

For combat, I'd use the combo in my pfp (A-Electrum + F-Zinc) simply due to the fact that it would immediately give me an advantage over anyone else who doesn't have some sort of future-sight. My technique for making A-Electrum good is that I'd have a series of hand gestures that only matter to me in the present, watching my electrum shadows. Depending on how my actions turn out for myself, I make a gesture that's visible to my "past" self, so I can scan the electrum shadows' paths while tapping Zinc and then replicate the one that turned out the best. Sort of like a utility maximizing AI, but... me.

For real life/regular stuff, Pewter Compounding is unrivaled, especially if my theory on Reverse Compounding is correct, but even if that isn't doable, it's still the best option for a broadly useful combination. So many things require endurance or strength. I could be the best at any one of those things with pewter compounding and get rich for it.

Woah, that's a super smart combination. I'd never have thought of that.

Personally, I see no reason to need to compound Pewter. Being able to use it either A or F-pewter is all you need unless you really need some obscene levels of strength. Also, Reverse Compounding? Could you link me to that theory?