Wandering Shade

Something I was thinking about a while ago.

AonDor and Awakening.

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On 4/7/2022 at 0:25 AM, Jimjamicon said:

Taking this one step further, utilizing Awakenings by whispering a command at the right pitch when pushing light into a gem...this seems like a clean means to remove spren from the fabrial equation.

Dude. Genius. That's exactly what the Sibling wants, fabrials without spren imprisonment. I can totally see this as a something that happens during SA5.

12 minutes ago, RedBlue said:

I mean, I figured that each Dawncity is associated with a frequency, but this begs the question. Why do specific physical locations have their own frequency? Is this a natural feature, or did someone make them like this? Why is the resonant frequency expressed by the rock?

It’s as though the rock was much more fluid (molten?) at some point, and a tone was played really really loudly, and then the rock froze in place. That’s what I would be thinking, if I were a scholar living on Roshar. But ... why? When? How? By whom? 

As for the Shattered Plains, it is implied (by one of the Listeners’ songs, if I recall correctly) that somebody did it. Who, why, and how? That’s unclear. It can’t be that somebody played two really loud tones that clashed, because that wouldn’t make the rock shatter. I guess somebody could have lobbed a lot of anti-light at the Plains, and the explosion shattered them, but then why would they have shattered in a perfectly symmetrical pattern?

I don’t expect anyone to have answers yet, since there’s not much to go on. That’s why I’m expecting this to come up in future books (probably the second sequence).

I've always assumed it was a clash of Division users. One of the Division Brand Fused and Dustbringers who went nova and ended up wrecking the Shattered Plains as a result. As for how it got to that big of a scale, Dawnshards are supposed to be big Investiture Amplifiers...

From what I understand, she loved Wax but was loyal to Harmony. Then she got merc'd and she saw how much Harmony's plans hurt Wax and took up with Trell to be freed from Harmony. That's when she decided to try and protect him from Harmony, after Lessie's "death."

4 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Yeah, the Shard is awesome! I may be biased

Biased? Never.

I think the 5th Ideal might actually stop aging as the Knight takes on the immortality inherent to their spren and the spren gets even more range and freedom and such. Incredibly increased stormlight efficiency is definitely part of it, but I feel like immortality (in regards to aging) is pretty likely, based on some info.

SP4

5k words! Nice job.

And yeah, you're supposed to be wondering about those things. Why the Parshendi ordered Gavilar's assassination and why Kaladin wasn't injured. The book does jump around quite a bit, but as it goes on you get consecutive perspective chapters more often, so you can look forward to that.

I think there's technically more soulcasters than shardblades, but people don't bring much attention to that fact.

I've flip flopped on the StormFaker theories for the last while, but I think I've managed to solidify my opinions.

I doubt its Ishar, because the Stormfather would absolutely notice Ishar hijacking his bond and if Ishar could do this to Gavilar, he probably would have done this to Dalinar as well and he did not. It seems. Probably.

If its just the Stormfather, I'll accept it but be a little confused. He'd have to have been lying to Dalinar quite a bit which could make some cool conflict in Book 5, but it would mean his opinions about the Recreance have somehow changed in 6 years and I doubt that greatly. The SF going from being very open to Gavilar to very reserved with Dalinar makes total sense to me, but that's not the issue for me, its more about him saying "lies" and that bit toward the end with him detecting the death of a Herald.

There's no way its Odium. Its not Rayse's style.

Cultivation is not someone I had considered until it was mentioned recently and I could see it. It would mean she far more active than I had previously assumed with the Heralds and Oathpact, which wouldn't be bad.

Tanavast's Shadow is the theory I agree with most. We know that the SF and Honor's Cognitive Shadow were combined and that towards the end Honor was far more about fulfilling the letter of oaths no matter what. That would explain his "It was necessary" attitude towards BAM and the Recreance, it would explain why he sensed the death of a Herald, it would explain "lying" to Gavilar to try and get him to fix the Oathpact. And given his phrasing towards the end, it seems like the Tanavast aspect of the SF's personality was diminished after the death of a Herald leaving him more of a storm.

One thing to remember is that this is a rough draft. Things are subject to change here. Specific wording of phrases and such. The meaning is probably going to stay the same, or at least the meaning that Brandon takes from the phrasing (because fans often misinterpret what the author was trying to imply).

With that being said, I think this is actually the Stormfather. We have WOBs which state that Gavilar was bonded to the Stormfather and for an extended period of time, for longer than Dalinar has been, though he never progressed in his oaths. That's the only way Gavilar could be seeing the visions, given what we know about them so far.

Granted, the Stormfather is acting very out of character for himself here, but I think that can be chocked up to the fact that the SF says that he's going to be treating his next bonded person very differently and to this being a rough draft. Its possible that Brandon forgot that the SF shouldn't know some things that he does right now, or that the Stormfather has been lying to Dalinar as well as Gavilar for all this time.

20 hours ago, Mazman said:

Nicrosil stores Investiture, and Stormlight is Investiture. Meaning you can, probably, store it in Nicrosil. If you were an Elsecaller, Lightweaver, or held the right Honorblade, you could use that Stormlight to Soulcast more Nicrosil, or other Allomantically viable metals. If you got the method down, you could theoretically Compound forever without needing to get more metals from an outside source.

Assuming, of course, that you can store Stormlight in Nicrosil.

So this is assuming that a Nicrosil Ferring or Compounder somehow became a Soulcaster? Alright.

Yeah, a Soulcaster being able to make Nicrosil sounds right and a Radiant with F-Nicrosil could probably store their Stormlight in Nicrosil for later use.

As for Compounding forever, I'm more skeptical, but this does sound like a way to do it. Store Stormlight in Nicrosil. Compound that Nicrosil to get more Stormlight. Use the excess Stormlight to Soulcast more Nicrosil. Rinse, repeat. It would let a Compounder or even a Fullborn get basically unlimited metal to use.

Enlightened Truthwatcher + Hemalurgy.

Brandon has said that any kind of future sight can help with placing spikes, and all truthwatchers also have Progression so they can heal the damage done by spiking someone. Being a radiant is also just super useful lol.

I don't think that would work. The powers come from parasitic worms that the birds eat, so having a Connection to Patji's Eye probably wouldn't give you one of the Aviar powers. But, I do think a Connector could get themselves multiple Aviar bonds very easily, even stealing an Aviar bonded to someone else if you tap fast enough. On the Kandra side, I think its possible, but not the way you're thinking. If a Kandra absorbed and Aviar very carefully, I think they could learn how the magic works and then be able to make or alter their current body to make those powers once they get the parasitic worms.

It seems to me that not all red is corrupted investiture and not all corrupted investiture is red (ex: Nightblood's black smoke is "corrupted breaths"). Granted, it is most of the time, but there have to be exceptions to prove the rule.

Any Mistborn could burn unkeyed metalminds to Compound, but if Hoid did that then he'd lose the metalminds and be unable to make more since he's not actually a Feruchemist. I don't think Hoid would do that unless he really needed to.

1 hour ago, cometaryorbit said:

Huh, I hadn't thought of that. I would have expected Gold Health to actively remove pathogens as it restored the body to a (filtered through the Cognitive) ideal state.

But maybe pathogens don't count as "part of the body" in that sense? I wonder if F-Gold would, then, not do anything to help with out-of-balance gut microflora?

When Sazed used F-Gold with rings stuck in his body, the healing didn't expel the rings out. It healed over them. Magical healing in the Cosmere doesn't do the Wolverine style "push the bullets out of your body as you heal the wound."

Might be a little less cool than the rest of these ideas, but a Tinmind microscope or telescope.

10 hours ago, Some Random Spren said:

not exactly because the other perpendicularities wouldn't give stormlight and most of them are liquid instead of this wierd pillar thing

Perpendicularities seem to have two components. The Shardpool and the Pillar. Cause the Well of Ascension actually did make a column of white light above it. Most people miss that since the book spends more time talking about the actual pool itself, but it creates a bunch of light above it.

Patji's Eye seems to be like a half-Shardpool while Honor's Perpendicularity seems to be just the Pillar and not the Shardpool.

12 minutes ago, DiePie said:

do we have confirmation on this? I saw someone mention it but assumed it was speculation. The way reverse lashings are treated in the books they seemed like a resonance, being an expression of the combination of 2 surges seems like what resonances are.

Brandon has confirmed in multiple WoBs that the Windrunner's resonance is their Strength of Squires.

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Questioner

So in The Stormlight Archive, they have the two Surges, and they have a third power effect, right?

Brandon Sanderson

They have kind of effects on each other, like a reverberation. Yes. I wouldn’t call it expressly a third power, I’d call it interactions.

Questioner

So, it seems like...you don’t have to confirm anything, but it seems like Kaladin is able to transfer his powers to his men following him…

Brandon Sanderson

The Windrunners are known for having lots of squires.

Questioner

That's the one I thought was really compelling. And the Skybreakers seem like they’re really good at hunting people down.

Brandon Sanderson

I’m not going to answer any of those! But good questions!

Calamity Austin signing (Feb. 25, 2016)

You're right about the Reverse Lashing being a combo of Gravitation and Adhesion. I see it as using Spiritual Adhesion's powers of Connection to choose the objects and then Gravitation to pull them in, so it actually wouldn't use air pressure in that way if my theory is right. But Resonances are an extra ability or trait related to the Knight's Surges but is not an extra Surge they can use. If that makes sense.

6 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

But if Windrunners use Adhesion to fly with less drag, they are using another Surge, not te same Surge differently.

They don't use Adhesion on purpose though, it just happens while they use Basic Lashings. I understand your argument, but I disagree, I think it counts as their Surges manifesting differently.

1 hour ago, DiePie said:

Isn't that pressure change the reverse lashing? Their resonance? Which in my mind is he unique expression of their powers.

The Reverse Lashing is using both Gravitation and Adhesion in equal parts. Spiritual Adhesion for the Connection powers and Gravitation to draw things in. But, the Reverse Lashing is not the Windrunner's resonance, that's their increased number of squires. Most other orders that have squires only get maybe 10 and they only have powers while relatively close, but Windrunners can have like 20 or 30 squires and while within 50 miles of their knight.

We have info from WoBs and in universe conversations which say that the Surges manifest different for the different Orders. However, we don't really see that. We mostly see that whatever one Windrunner can do with Gravitation, a Skybreaker can also do with Gravitation, or that whatever an Elsecaller can do with Transformation, a Lightweaver can do. Discounting Renarin and Bondsmiths because they are the exception which prove the rule.

But upon reread, which I do a lot of, I think I can see a very good example of one time where we see a Surge manifest differently between orders.

In Oathbringer, when Kaladin is flying a group of people above a highstorm, he says that he's not just making them fall forwards like normal, he's also creating a sort of wind funnel around them, keeping them from all separating in the wind. I think that's a Windrunner only ability. Scientifically, Kal has created a bubble of higher pressure air around him and his friends, keeping the winds from disrupting them too much. That's Adhesion. While Adhesion sticks things together, its not with a chemical bond like glue, its with suction. Air pressure.

My theory is that every order of Knights Radiant uses a little of their other Surge whenever they use a Surge. Windrunner Basic Lashings also manipulate air pressure while their Full Lashings also manipulate gravity (maybe, I have no proof for this). Lightweaver, well, Lightweavings have a little bit of Soulcasting in them, adding extra substance to the illusion (see the Battle of Thaylen Field for a disputed example). If this theory is correct, that would explain why the Surges manifest differently between Orders, even if only in small ways. The Knights can't stop themselves from using a tiny amount of their other Surge whenever they use one.

However, I want to add one more thing to this, something I've seen most other people miss (and something I reeeeeeally want to ask Brandon about.) The Essences. Each Order is associated with an Essence, and while we normally think of these for Soulcasting as they play an important role in limiting that power, I think they're more important than just that. We don't know if that association is just cultural or if its magical, and even if it is just cultural then it might have become magical through the ways that the Cognitive Realm functions. If it is magical, then what happens if we change that association? What if he had a Windrunner who's essence was Blood instead of Wind? Would that change their powers at all? Would it change their Resonance?

Anyway, a question that I think should be asked at the next QnA with Brandon is: "Each Order of the Knights Radiant has two Surges they can use and an essence associated with them. Is that association simply cultural, or is it magical? Would changing the essence of an Order change they way they use their powers?"

Oh jeez lol. I would just reread the book, personally, but I read really fast so that might not be feasible for you.

They didn't find any metalminds in his body after the autopsy. I think that's cause he burned what was left? Like, maybe he had swallowed one earlier and burnt it for compounding after he got shot to heal himself. But he ran out of metal and died.

Or he was an F-Gold savant and his body healed itself even without him doing anything, but only minorly. It kept him alive after a volley of shots, it didn't heal the wounds fully.

5 hours ago, robardin said:

And how was there enough atium there to form a perpendicularity? Wasn't it constantly being harvested by those unfortunate skaa? Or was most of the atium geodes going undiscovered (too deep or hard to get to)?

Other way around. The Atium formed in the pits because of the perpendicularity at the bottom. The actual perpendicularity wasn't destroyed, but the caverns were. I think. That's what's implied anyway.

But your point about knowledge of the pits getting out is probably accurate. I feel like that should have happened at some point, but maybe it didn't because worldhoppers know they need to keep secrets. 

On 2/22/2022 at 4:52 PM, EmulatonStromenkiin said:

Of course. Kelsier's already dead.

They're all dead lol