Tamriel Wolfsbaine

But the idea is that even though they stand out as koloss blooded, maybe they will stand out less as lifeless specifically. The whole necromancy parts of Awakening are so useful, but without a doubt the most morally gray area of the system. I have a hard time thinking of a character with access to breaths not using them in this capacity at least a little. Sure an awakened suit of armor or clothing to hold up a meat suit is pretty solid for it but nothing like awakening a fallen solider or fighter for your needs. Way way way less breath and I would imagine more skilled and effective for fighting than some cloth... maybe not though... ropes to do whatever your mind can desire and think up are likely fairly precise based on that command. I wonder about the accuracy of it all.

I completely agree that the cosmere is quickly becoming a "make sure you read this before this and that before that" type of series. I don't know that I think that is the biggest issue I have for it. I personally can't keep up. And the newer books draw me in less and less. I'm still just trying to enjoy thinking of each world on its own... let alone how the future of it all looks. Especially stepping into more and more tech. The fantasy feels are starting to dwindle which is okay for me but a slight bummer at the same time. And I'm not super fond of all of the systems (stormlight healing makes me want to vomit). All that said, I still really enjoy the cosmere and am excited to see what happens next but I am living it all via spoilers and being very selective in which books I want to read. The rest will come from the coppermind and what questions I can have answered here in the forums. Still always stoked to offer up Warbreaker and Mistborn to new readers and I give the disclaimer that if they want to read some high fantasy books that will take them hundreds of hours they can look at stormlight. I am a big fan of the warbreaker / mistborn book lengths. They don't seem like quite as much of a commitment and there is a lot less hours of story lines that I felt trapped waiting to get them over with there. As for understanding how it all connects? Coppermind is glorious. Anytime I am reading a new book I take time to pause it and look up the characters as they are introduced... I know a lot of folks think that is crazy but I don't care about spoilers in the story. I want to world building and magic systems. My friend told me about the 3 metallic arts before I read and if it wasn't for the magic I wouldn't give 2 seconds to the book. Says a lot that I made it so far into stormlight before throwing my hands up. Too much crap going on not magic related and after 150 hours of listening I still haven't been introduced well to the parts of the system that excite me, let alone how many times I have felt let down by fights that include insta healing from all wounds and then running out of fuel to face half a second of real danger before finding the stormlight via magical portal again. Mental health issues don't excite me enough to care about the mountains that the characters are facing... but that probably just makes me sound like an awful person. I guess watching people die from miserable suffocation for a living has jaded me. But back to the magics. Yeah TLM was a cluster of awesome stuff I wanted more of but only got a small glimpse. And as fast as Brandon writes... it just isn't quick enough bouncing from one series to another... WHERE ART THOU NIGHTBLOOD!!!! I really really need more awakening in my life but have accepted that we will likely face the apocalypse before we get the next Nalthis installment.

Simple question here. I know mistborn who willingly joined the steel ministry were like hitting the jackpot. And I know inquisitors would hunt down feruchemists to steal powers. But did Rashek ever choose to allow the ministry to create an inquisitor from a feruchemist? Would it be too much of an issue with them fighting back or could he have dominated their minds through emotional allomancy and not had an issue with them revolting? I assume that feruchemists being turned to inquisitors would have likely been easier in the early parts of the final empire. I doubt one born through the Terris breeding programs would willingly work for the inquisition. And even if they would, would Rashek ever trust them with that power? And for the fun of it... If you were going to recieve a handful of spikes would you rather have a mistborn base or a feruchemist base?

That's what I thought. So the head popping is actually a pewter hardened head as well. Still no figures to compare it to but it definately makes the feat all the more impressive. She didn't just headbutt a person. She headbutted a trained pewterarm.

I don't have a book to reference at the moment but I am curious, and I don't know exactly why I am thinking this might be the case, but was Vin fighting other allomamcers in this instance? Was a totally random soldier trying to hold and grapple her or was this guy a thug / potential pewterarm as well? I don't know that she would be struggling to get away from him if he were a regular dude. Also the ability to generate that much force from a headbutt while being grappled. That is what I think shines. You really don't have a ton of range of motion and space or time to generate a ton of speed or force yet she still destroyed his head. (This would be far more impressive if he was a pewterarm thug as well but even if he wasn't there is a tremendous amount of force being generated by the duralumin pewter push.) I also wonder if part of her passing out was just that she suddenly had no more pewter. Even Kaladin is quickly deflated when his stormlight runs out... How much of it was a true concussion and how much of it was all of the pewterdrag effects of fighting enhanced and then suddenly having none? A shock to say the least. A lot of why I ask the question of pewter toughness is because I was on a Muay Thai kick and seeing the force some of those kicks generate... not to mention the training up of those bones to bend steel and not break... If someone like that had access to pewter and / or duralumin or even Feruchemical steel to titrate their pewter burning benefits, how much damage could they do with a properly lined up kick? What if it was Tarson delivering the kick? I feel like for sure it would be dangerous... in this case healing trumps being unbreakable. But I see pewter with duralumin as a momentary man of steel sort of buff. I don't know entirely though so I ask the community for their opinions.

Hello all again. I don't necessarily want to create another Stormlight vs Pewter thread but I do have 2 instances that I really want to dive into and compare. Vins headbutt Kaladins dropkick So we see Vin pop a dudes head like a zit with a Duralumin fueled pewter headbutt in the Well of Ascension. We see Kaladin crack plate with a dropkick in Words of Radiance. These are both awesome shows of strength from each magic system but they work so differently. Kaladins legs shatter from the impact and need to be healed back up. Vins skull just straight up wins the hardness battle and she destroys the enemies with her own. I am sort of curious what people think of these 2 scenes. Do you think that Vins body could have withstood the same forces with pewter and duralumin that Kaladins fall made? Would Kaladins head ever be able to pop another humans head without popping itself and needing to heal back? Would Vin ever be able to generate similar force with any direct strike simply fueled by pewter and duralumin? And if she did would her pewter enhanced bones be able to withstand it? Mechanics would matter here. Note that longbones are designed to absorb pressure and stress in those ways and all parts of her connective tissue would be far harder as well. I don't know what strike she would have to use to generate any force like that... and its hard because we don't even know how much force Kaladin produced thanks to the crumpling of his bones as he made contact... getting jabbed with a hard stick hurts worse than getting jabbed by a pool noodle... would it make a difference at all? Now I know that ultimately healing is imba compared to just being tougher. It doesn't matter how tough you are if you break once and are out of the fight... but how much tougher would you have to be to survive dropkicking a dude in shardplate hard enough to make it break like that did? Do you think a strike like that is at all possible with duralumin fueled pewter and still allowing the allomancer to walk away?

@Trusk'our because this is a hemalurgy question I just have to flag you. So Wax chooses to not wear his Earring because he doesn't want Harmony to chat him up. But Harmony is a big talker of free will and stuff right? If you had a spike and simply didn't want Harmony to talk to you do you think he would respect that and just leave you alone? Do you think, as a totally normal person with 1-3 spikes there are ways to prevent the Shard from trying to communicate with you and drive you mad? I asked a while about Kandra and breaths. Do you think a typical human with a spike or two or three could guard their mind from outside influences with enough added on breaths? Do you think there are any tricks with Aluminum to protect the user?

It's not just about stopping the shardblade. Yes a shield would work well with a bunch of investiture. Maybe you could outfit some soldiers with awakened bamboo armor? I just like the idea of awakened constructs and golems to fight. Kalads phantoms are awesome. Just thinking of other materials that could be used as well.

So the cheese wheel thing to slow down shardblades always gave me a giggle. What about large golems awakened formed of primarily cheese? Does cheese count as organic enough? What type of cheese do you think would function best? I wonder if large waxy candles would work as well with large wick like skeletons made of ropes. Would embedding a bunch of aluminum rods as longbones stop the Golem from being able to function? Perhaps it can be awakened and invested heavily enough to not need aluminum bones to further protect it from shards.

Thanks guys. I think I misremembered the koloss as being more grey blue. I didn't think they were bright blue and always pictured them closer to gray. Maybe it is more of a Koloss Blooded trait? Wasn't Tarson described as being grey blue skinned?

Okay. So I know that lifeless have the color drained from them but how much is that? How obvious would lifeless be if they were already fairly gray to begin with? Say a Koloss... would he look so different as a lifeless? If I was able to slay a pack of whitespine, do you think they would be really recognizable as lifeless? How well would a lifeless ryshadium work? We see Arsteel is still a decent enough duelist and he seems to understand some commands as well as being able to make decisions to some extent. Would a mount that was awakened to be a lifeless still function properly? Would a pack of whitespines or corehounds still be able to coordinate attacks or would they all need separate commands? I know we see people with commands over the lifeless army but how well do you all think that army works with itself to fight? Is there enough brain to not have an absurd amount of friendly fire? And of course... most important of all. Could you command a Larkin to eat a person of choices investiture?

I totally get that some compounding is better than other compounding. Copper may be a worse off one. I am curious though how exactly copper works. I feel like Sazed always knew what was stored in his copperminds but he had to tap them to remember any specifics. If this is how it works then perhaps compounding would offer a better memory. Instead of losing that memory once it is compounded you can store it again while also retaining it. Perhaps the investiture unlocks some more permanent changes in giving you a near eidetic memory (my personal favorite trait in the entire Mistborn Adventure Game). I believe I remember Rashek being noted to have a perfect memory. Perhaps copper compounding is what allowed this to happen for him. Store everything in real-time into a metalmind and burn it again in real-time to have it locked into place forever?

Working in medicine... cadmium bubbles would be epic. Time is tissue. You call a code blue and start compressions and your team would be there in an instant. Everytime you need new meds or new equipment you could get it faster than ever. Same thing with any time sensitive jobs. We have already seen it with police action. Hunting and fishing too. I'm not saying this would be worth the cost or than people would be willing to sell their lives and time this way but you could take a crew out, lay down nets and use cadmium for a game of cards or two before picking up the nets again with days worth of fish. I was thinking... Scadrial doesn't have the obvious magics of other planets to aid in food production but they have time bubbles. With some imagination you could make it work.

I know speed isn't doubled. I am curious if people think that tapping 50% speed from your metalminds would also cause you to gain 50% more bonus from the pewter? Beyond that would your faster burning pewter also benefit from it? If you took an average sprinter running nearly 20mph and pewter boosted him up to 26mph. He gains 6mph from the pewter itself. If he taps the 50% speed he is burning his pewter 50% faster. Now he is gaining 9mph from the pewter alone. Added all together does the pewter also double dip from the actual increase of speed from tapping steel? (20+9)*1.5=43.5mph Or 20*1.5+9= 39mph

Just because I am genuinely curious, do we know of any high gravity worlds? I think between storing strength / weight and tapping it to train this way would be epic. Feruchemy also gets access to cadmium which is basically training via blood doping as well. Cosmere / SA spoilers

I agree with most of what you say here. I just wonder if storing the allomantic strength is altering it beyond what it is to a point where you lose some of that durability. Vins duralumin fueled pewter headbutt was a success as much because of the hardness of her pewter enhanced body as it was the strength she had. It would be interesting if that durability were stored with the strength. But then I have to ask what each of the parts of pewter really are. Does pewter magically enhance all of these things? Or are they simply a side effect to the strength increases? Obviously there are parts of pewter that can't be explained by just having stronger muscles. If you could store the durability from Allomantic pewter into Feruchemical pewter that would certainly open you up some awesome fights. You would basically turn into Luke Cage. But again, I guess now we have thoughts that Feruchemical steel would allow you to become Luke Cage by burning pewter at much faster speeds as well. So there is that. In regards to the steel. I think pewter speed might be able to be stored, but if pewter speed really magically augmented speed or is it simply a side effect of being 2 or 3 times stronger? Like Vin vaulting 8+ feet into the air. She isn't being granted extra jumping power... just small for the strength she does have. I figure Feruchemical steel will be easier to store as the pewter will offset parts of it while burning but I don't know that you will actually store more speed. Then again, how does tapping steel work anyways? If you are storing a % of your speed then you should be able to store higher % while using pewter to make it easier. Likewise, if you move 30% faster while burning pewter and then you tap 150% speed do you get to actually move 100% + 50% + 30% + 15% Or in other words... if I run 20mph unenhanced and 30mph with pewter burning. Then I store 50% speed I can run 10mph without pewter or 20mph with pewter? Or does it take pewter burning as a whole and store 50% of that as well? Thus you move 15mph? This would also work with tapping I think. If I move 20mph without and tap that 50% extra speed I get to move 30 with just feruchemy. If I burn pewter am I still just gaining the 10 for a total of 40mph or do I gain 150% of that pewter bonus as well for a total of 45mph? Either way the combo is bonkers.

I feel like I have seen this idea before but the way you explain it makes it sound way more epic than I pictured in my mind. Titratable duralumin. Incredible. F steel is a tricky one always anyhow. I know it isn't technically cannon but this is a little thought bubble from Brandon in the Mistborn Adventure Game: I have heard ideas that magical speed in the cosmere might hit faster but there is a loss of kinetic energy when the attack plays out. I don't know how much I like that idea but in the case of flaring pewter while doing it there is definately going to be some big time damage being dealt. As you said. If you tap 2x speed and are flaring pewter you are now 6x as strong and more durable as well. Even if the kinetic energy generated from the steel speed alone goes away it won't change the fact that you are swinging with such force and added speed from pewter with the added benefits of all of that durability. I don't know that you would need to worry about those consequences and ramifications at all. The most dangerous part of burning pewter with Fspeed would have to be pewter drag and how much quicker you could get effected by it. Yeah I always thought that the biggest downside to storing pewter strength into mentalminds is that with all of that strength you lose the durability. I believe that is a part of why Feruchemical pewter increases muscle mass, to protect the user from hurting themselves. In the case of 2 and 3x strength increases without that extra durability and muscle mass as support I believe the user would be placing themselves in a certain level of danger. If you do infact store the durability as well it would make it a lot better. But I can't lie the Allomantic pewter Feruchemical steel train suddenly looks really really good.

If you could have any single Allomantic power to go with a full set of feruchemical powers I would say A-pewter is top of the list for this very reason. You can use pewter to offset the downsides of storing most attributes allowing you to store more than without burning it. I personally believe that pewter compounding would require a separate metalmind for Allomantic pewter type strength and then normal strength. Maybe not but the lack of gaining muscle mass hints that it is totally different. Perhaps it would not be able to be tapped in massive amounts? Definately Feruchemical pewter storing Allomantic pewter would only gain benefit of the strength. Everything else would need to be stored into something else. I think Allomantic pewter would be great for powering through more brutal Gold storage and likewise a bit of Feruchemical gold tapping would be able to save you from pewterdrag. I would point out that the healing from pewter may not be magical healing at all and instead just allowing your bodies healing mechanisms to be boosted up the same way everything else is. There is definately a difference between Allomantic pewter healing and Feruchemical gold and all other cosmere healing. That sense of balance, and I would argue a higher level of proprioception is definately an Allomantic pewter thing. It can be stored in Feruchemical tin as well. Well well worth the time too. Spidey sense from pewter? Don't mind if I do.

I have never thought about power moving from one to the other and back again before. That is an interesting thought that I will have to keep thinking about. For sure the spikes for Kandra are likely from normal people. I don't think Rashek would waste any powered individuals on Kandra Blessings. I have wondered if what makes Kandra blessings special is that the donors were willing participants. We know intent is important in the cosmere. I think that someone being spiked willingly and offering that part of themselves might have a different effect on the spike.

I think @alder24 hit this one on the head. The likelihood of cancers and these kinds of diseases in the Cosmere are really low to begin with. Not to mention that by the time Nanomedicine is a thing there is real potential that invested healing is already available. That said, I think it all sounds like it should work. I would much rather use the breaths to make some legit Doc Ock arms or an Iron-Spider suit... just me personally. I would love to see how precise visualizations will become as the understanding of physics and microbiology becomes though. The smaller you can see and more you can understand... plus the more your language evolves to have words for those things... the more awakening is going to excel and be awesome. Once you get to AI levels of tech you would be investing things capable of shifting their will. How dangerous will it be if AI starts being able to start using breaths or influencing the visualization and verbalizations of those capable of using breaths? I would love to say that people in the cosmere will be immune to these sorts of abuses but looking at the impact some of the tic tok challenges have made on mankind in our world I can totally see people doing really dumb things with breaths.

That is all kind of what I thought. I do think its interesting that time bubbles may be the key to FTL travel for Scadrial yet moving them is so difficult. A few thoughts on that. Does the Vacuum of space eliminate the mass of air and such? Air moves freely through bubbles as does light. I like the WoBs but there isn't enough there to really discredit the use of it in faster travel. I mean... is Wayne's power significantly weaker during a rain storm? Why don't cadmium bubbles disappear instantly on a windy day? I can totally see far denser things like buildings moving through the bubble as being an issue. Probably sprinting through a building with a speed bubble moving around you would tear it up pretty quick... even running on the ground with things popping up. But air? I don't think that will stop it. I imagine combining Wax's powers with Wayne's would allow a really fast mover with little to no danger so long as the speed bubble was centered on a primer cube that was on the persons body. Iron feruchemy would save you from breaking yourself on the drop each time while those seconds you contact the ground would allow another steel push. Add in the conservation of momentum you could get significantly longer coin jumping by shifting weight in air. Heavy heavy on the ground for the push and then gradually taper off the weight while in your arc should aid in the jumps while hitting that weight that allows air resistance to slow you down and safely touch the ground before doing it all over again. I love the crashers power set... and a portable speed bubble would likely just aid it entirely. Plus everyone around you will be bullet timed. You could probably jump and hit moving targets with ease plus calculate the next jumps as you are coming in for a landing.... Seems like it could make for one heck of a cinematic and chaotic experience. Think every chase with multiple enemies ever. You put up a speed bubble and jump towards one of the bad guys cars... the one in back of the pack. The world is at a crawl as you easily land where you wanted. That rear car enters the bubble with you and suddenly is zooming normal speed while the others are still at a stand still. The collision with the front car is now imminent and you launch yourself away, pushing off of the car as it begins to collide with the other car. You go flying and catch the collision, and the cool special effects explosion in slow motion as you fly away. Then the bubble drops and the world speeds up again as the fireball moves to try to engulf you but you emerge unharmed landing in super hero pose on the same building you started your attack from.

So it might not work as easily running as there are constantly objects interfering with it. But what about @Trusk'our original idea of combining it with allomantic flight. I believe super jumps would still be possible, especially with the primer cube being the center of the bubble in a pocket or whatever. Once you are airborne I figure there will be significantly less objects crossing the threshold. But this leads me to just a couple questions. 1. I am always losing my mind with this and can't remember. Can you steel push through time bubbles? I feel like if you could Wax could have just pushed back every bullet shot at them and killed the attackers always. Obviously a bunch of coins exiting through the bubble won't break it as Wayne and wax get shot at through bubbles constantly and no bubble was ever said to have been popped except by aluminum. If you can't push and pull through bubbles would you ever be able to stay airborne for more than a single jump at a time? And how do you safely land without needing to shut down your bubble to repush or pull before getting deaded. 2. Is there any part of the bubble that goes beyond the ground? Would sprinting through train tunnels be less damaging to a bubble than sprinting through the streets of a city? Edit: @alder24 Another thought I had about those WOBs. Do you find it interesting that other bubbles being created inside of or on top of or right beside existing ones don't pop them? Maybe there is something special about the energy of allomantic time bubbles that don't allow them to destroy eachother instead just offset based on strength and size the other bubbles around them?

Just because I havent seen anything on this specifically I have to ask... Do you think shardblades would act as any other weapon with time bubbles? I know aluminum will pop them but I think that is more because of its anti investiture feel cosmere wide. A shardblade, even robbed of all of its kinetic energy, cuts through everything and even seems to damage stuff like plate without needing large amounts of kinetic energy. I dont mind the energy being the same as if it were outside the bubble at all. You are still striking faster than anyone outside of the bubble can react. Depending on your weapon you could land multiple multiple strikes on the opponent before they even realize you are attacking them. Shard or not. Robbed of kinetic energy to the point where the hit is treated like normal or not. The mere volume of strikes that could be made would overwhelm just about anyone if they get caught just outside of your bubble while you are striking them from within.

But if you are cruising around with a portable bendalloy bubble and F steel, once your enemy is inside the bubble you are still capable of blitzing them and moving at blurring speed to their non speedster selves. Bendalloy slows down so much that a portable bubble via primer cube would likely make you a faster and better version of any steel runner. I don't know how one could calculate this but if bullets are moving slowmo outside of the bubble and you are capable of casually ducking for cover as they are flying toward you then I imagine someone running with a portable bubble could outrun bullets which is pushing Marasi with the bands levels of speed. Add on even a very slight tapping of steel for that and you are moving even faster (I think Bendalloy is the only way Scadrial is going to approach FTL travel and this seems to be where that could come from... building aircraft that can travel stupidly fast and then amplify it with bendalloy). Furthermore there is some evidence that the bubbles can be smaller or larger depending on use... that is well within Wayne's skill level now. I am not convinced you will have any fine control from the grenade though. I asked about melee weapons from speed bubbles here: It seems that you could easily blitz attack someone from inside a bubble before they make it into the bubble as well so long as you are nearer the edge. Again with the allomantic grenade I am not convinced this will be as effective because you may. Not have as fine control over it. If you want to get really bonkers here... Stack them! Allomantic grenade charged with bendalloy set larger than yourself centered on yourself and speeding you up. Then while you are inside of it you can burn your own bendalloy while not moving as much. No matter which bubble you end up making bigger you have a huge advantage. If the stationary bubble you are burning can be larger than the cube bubble you can be moving bendalloy speeds inside of your bubble. You wouldn't just be speeding yourself up but also your enemy. All of their reinforcements are likely completely stationary to your perspective and they are moving at a snails pace to his as you blitz him. I would be interested to see if nicrosil and duralumin can make bubbles bigger from cubes. This could be helpful in FTL. Stacking multiple bubbles... plus maneuverability shouldn't be too terrible given that the kinetic energy is popping away to be normalized on either side of the bubbles. My curiosity is if we know that primer cubes can be activated and deactivated or if they must run their course of metal? I feel like I remember Marasi being able to deactivate them as well? If that is the case then I am totally picturing a chronomancer with some Antman style gloves... instead of a button to shrink and grow they have primer cubes stop or speed up time. If the allomancer actually possesses the powers then it is even better because they could be playing with 4 bubbles at one time!

So touching a weapon in this case treats it as being outside or inside with you? Or does it make it really difficult to hold and hit someone with a weapon? I'm trying to picture this one in my head.