TypicalShard

This is the most dramatic things I've ever read on these forums.

Unless one of those lions happens to love swirling wine in goblets and collecting weapons the Heralds clear.

I find this interesting because the last Honor vision, Rejection, shows that Tanavast didn't foresee Odium's trick with BAM. This, combined with the fact that Shards must actively consider the permutations of time, and that Honor repeatedly says he's not as proficient at reading the future as the others, leads me to believe that this was either a subtle possibility he overlooked, something Odium actively hid from him, or both.

Lindon from the Cradle series is more powerful but Rand's power varies depending on which version of him you use. For instance, end of series Rand is heavily implied to no longer be Ta'veren, so he'd no longer have probability manipulation, and cannot touch any of the powers. Which means he probably cant use weaves like Balefire. Not to mention that his one feat of lighting a pipe by bending reality is so incredibly vague as to be meaningless when discussing his power. If we're allowed side characters than any Judge for the Willverse would crush Rand instantly.

I really like this art style for plate, it really fits my mental image.

I would find it odd for the Stormfather, whose whole resistance to Dalinar is, especially in RoW, is predicated around the idea that spren are unchanging, to suddenly change his approach to bonding.

That rant he goes on after he says a Herald has died really reminds me of how Fuzz acted. His manifestation is also really weird to me. A... ᴀ Hᴇʀᴀʟᴅ ʜᴀs ᴅɪᴇᴅ. Nᴏ, I'ᴍ ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴇᴀᴅʏ. Tʜᴇ Oᴀᴛʜᴘᴀᴄᴛ... Nᴏ! Tʜᴇʏ ᴍᴜsᴛɴ'ᴛ sᴇᴇ! Tʜᴇʏ ᴍᴜsᴛɴ'ᴛ ᴋɴᴏᴡ! Ok this really sounds like someone's been hiding from the Heralds. And it makes me really lean towards the Tanavast. But then again Odium seems positive they killed him and to the ability to hide from everyone so thoroughly, he would have to be absolutely cracked considering he's only a dead god.

If it's Kaladin or anyone from bridge four they would have to be a Ascended or a cognitive shadow. Brandon says that this is fairly far into the cosmere timeline. "Moderately far into the cosmere's future."

Well at least you get to be happy, unfortunately I hate such endings with a passion. This just ain't storming fair.

" Storms it couldn't be, it couldn't... he walked further haunted by what he might find, worried that he was going mad yet desperate to know. Could it... "Kal?". " Well this doesn't bode well.

I'm hoping for the herald route, that he'll take Jezrien's place one way or another. I honestly don't know if Kaladin will die in book 5, it feels both unlikely and possible at the same time. What I will say is having Kaladin die in the 5th book feels like the worst possible direction that could be taken. Kaladin turned his corner and got a good 10 days of being free from guilt and his suicidal thoughts, so now he can die. And the readers can be happy to know that he turned that corner before he passed into the beyond. It would almost feel mocking, Kaladin has finally reached a place where he can step away and work on himself only for him to die. But you can't die while you're struggling, because you still have a character arc and it's super compelling.

I probably should've clarified that. When I said I didn't care I was referring to this: Adolin and the moments you discussed were not ones I feel particular passion for, but I do disagree with how you presented their similarities to things that happen in RoW. I was trying to say was that Adolin and my feelings for the character are not why I disagreed with you. I dont care one way or the other what other people feel for the characters in the story.

I don't really care I want you to explain. The visions are what start Dalinar's path to becoming better than the other High Princes but they see it as Dalinar weakening. The visions make him question his and the Alethi actions on the Shattered Plains. Adolin's doubts center around the sanity of his father and his ability to lead their house. What Adolin want's is for Dalinar to go back to the blackthorn and lead their house. We see this when Dalinar tries to step down from being high prince. However throughout WoK's Adolin comes around to Dalinar's way of thinking when Sadeas betrays them. He's proud that Dalinar tried to be better than the other High Princes. In RoW Dalinar is not self doubting, in fact he seems more sure of himself than ever before and because of this he pushes Adolin to standards he doesn't want to uphold. Adolin's conflict in WoKs was not about his fathers dark impulses and past but about his mind. In WoKs Dalinar is never truly critical of Adolin like he is in RoW. Adolin's conflict in RoW is not about Dalinar's sanity but about trying to become his own person. Unlike in WoKs Adolin does not come around to his father's way of thinking. "He knew Dalinar had been a different man then, a man not in his right mind, betrayed, consumed by the power of one of the unmade...One could know these things without feeling them. And this wasn't something you forgave." "Adolin loved his father, even now with everything he had learned about what Dalinar had done. Even with that event. He loved his father." "I don't represent you anymore father. I'm a high prince, I represent myself." "I know that's the person you really are...Do not let my failings drive you to rebel against what you know is right merely because it is what I wish of you." "It's about you again. I cant have an opinion or make choices I'm only acting like this because of your influence." "Maybe incredible though it may seem, there are more than two choices in life. I'm not you, but that doesn't mean I'm Taravangian. Maybe I'm my own brand of wrong." "I love him but can't yet forgive him. I think I will, with time. There's more though. Straining out relationship. He has this misguided notion that I've always been better than him. To father I'm some pristine remnant of my mother-this noble little statue who got all of her goodness and none of his coarseness. He doesn't want me to be me, or even him. He wants me to be this imagined child who was born better than he ever could be." The conflict in WoKs is about Dalinar, the conflict in RoW is about Adolin. OB: Unplanned arrival in shadesmar Shallan uses magic to travel the ocean to an island. Have to quickly move through the island as Kaladin is attracting anger spren. Travel south because Azure knows about light houses there. Kaladin touches orb during highstrom and gets a vision and disagrees with the others about where they should go. They make arrangements with this man and secure a boat. Arrive at Celebrant and exchange what they can and try to find another ship. Fused track down Adolin and the gang. Syl reveals her identity to the crew of Honor's Path and they all flee on it from the Fused. Eventually Fused converge on the Honor's Path. They abandon the ship and travel under the ocean with Shallan's power to an island. They make their way across this island on foot to the oath gates trying to avoid getting notived by Fused. When they arrive at the oath gate they find it guarded. They make a plan to fight the Fused. The plan goes poorly and Kaladin tries and fails to say an ideal. They get saved by an outside force, Dalinar, not within shadesmar They all make it back to the physical realm, their destination. RoW: Planned diplomatic journey. They already have a method of traveling across the ocean secured. Shallan discovers that there's a traitor among her 'court' of Lightweavers. They stop at the Freelands as a planned part of the journey. Make their way along the coast to Lasting Integrity. They notice the Tukari slowly following them. Adolin notices how badly Shallan is doing and takes her to see a Star Spren. Tukari turn back after a few days. Go back to fight with the Tukari to save Notum. Then continue on their way to Lasting Integrity. Get denied entry to their goal. Adolin decides to put himself up for trail to get in, the honor spren agree. Only Adolin, Shallan and Pattern make it to their destination. Adolin, Kaladin and Shallan with a few other sneak into the Kholinar. In Lasting Integrity no stealth is used. He goes right up to the front gate announces who he is a requests to face trail for the sins of past Radiants. Adolin goes to someone he knows personally in Kholinar. Within Lasting Integrity there is no such person. He and Shallan are given rooms. Adolin has to learn honor spren trail law. Adolin doesn't go through any formal educational process during Kholinar. Adolin gets put on trail in Lasting Integrity, this doesn't happen in Kholinar. Adolin portrayal within Kholinar is one of competence. In Lasting Integrity Adolin is seen as naïve and an idiot. And unlike in Kholinar his actions do not disprove anyone's opinion of him. During his trial he can barely sway any spren until Notum and Maya speak up for Adolin or defend themselves. Adolin and Kaladin lead the battle through the palace to get to the oath gates. Shallan 'fends' off the Unmade and they use the oath gates to escape. They fail in their mission to secure Kholinar and Elhokar dies. In Lasting Integrity Adolin succeeds in his mission to encourage more honor spren to bond people. These are different scenarios with different outcomes.

Adolin had trouble trusting his father's judgment due to what he thought was madness. Adolin's current issues are that his dad KILLLED his mother. How are these the same? "I read your book, you killed mother." "Adolin I have proved myself time and time again that I am not mad." These are two wholly separate issues. How else were they going to get to Lasting Integrity? Just teleport? Oh but I guess that's a rehash of the oath gates huh. Adolin fight's against a group of people? The only two similarities is that Adolin gets some assistance and its against a superior force. Its like saying Kaladin fighting with a spear is a rehash of when he first used a quart staff against Jost. How oh how oh how is Lasting Integrity a rehash of Kholinar? They aren't even remotely similar.

So I'm assuming, because Preservation put more of itself into the souls of mankind that they created only it can hear thoughts. While Ruin, who put less in cannot, right?