Ba-Ado-Fisherman

I could definitely see Invention coming in at some point. That Shard could be very helpful in building up to the space age of the Cosmere.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me. It seems as though Odium--either on purpose or by accident--invested in Roshar, and I think it'd be really cool to see Knights Radiant of Odium.

Pretty sure it was Cultivation. The Stormfather accepts Oaths, but he's basically the remnants of Honor. Dalinar accepts an oath, because he is essentially becoming Honor, slowly. I think only Cultivation and Honor can accept oaths, and MAYBE Odium, but idk about the last one. Maybe Odium will accept oaths spoken by Renarin?

Yeah I'm making assumptions about what Dalinar can and can't do. Before Tanavast died, I would say that it'd be impossible, but now that Dalinar is a Bondsmith without restrictions, and is bonded to the remnants of Honor, I think at least on some level he manipulate Connection in the same way Tanavast could. If Rashek can't be touched, then how did Kelsier stab him with multiple spears, and how did Vin kill him? Fullborns are immensely powerful, and right now, in a 1v1 fight to the death with Dalinar, I'd take the Lord Ruler. However, that doesn't make Fullborns more powerful. Dalinar literally Ascended, whatever that means. He actually scared Odium, a Shard that has murdered multiple gods.

I don't understand... You say he isn't strong at all on a pure power level, yet you realize he has the most raw investiture? Dalinar can theoretically manipulate, create, steal, and destroy Connection. If he went up against an Allomancer, it would be a piece of cake. Remove their Connection to Preservation and boom, no more Allomancy. Remember what Ishar did in RoW? He literally Connected like 5 different Windrunners to the ground, forcing their Investiture out of them. Dalinar has the power of literal gods. Bondsmithing is by far the most powerful Invested Art that we know of so far in the Cosmere. Not to mention he has Stormlight healing, making him basically invincible with enough Stormlight, which he has a unlimited source of with Honor's perp.

lmfao ok dude

Yeah I forgot about Hoid, he's probably up there, though he apparently can't hurt anyone.

I'm pretty sure Dalinar is the most powerful non-Shard in the Cosmere. Ishar requires his Honorblade to even have Surgebinding abilites. Dalinar can summon a perpendicularity at will. He can send people visions. He is bonded to the remnants of Honor. He literally Ascended at one point, and was able to make Odium cower in fear and flee. I would argue that Dalinar is more powerful than even the Lord Ruler.

I didn't miss it lol. I was talking to the other guy when stating my opinion, and you inserted yourself into the discussion, chastising me for apparently not reading your reply. Bottom line: We disagree. I'm done now.

I think the WoB has been posted in this thread multiple times, so I'll let you figure it out.

As of the events of RoW, that is not the case. Killing spren requires anti-Investiture, not broken Oaths. Don't fault me for making that distinction, as it's a pretty important one.

What are you even talking about lmao? All you did was paste a WoB that supported my argument...

It might seem like death to them, but Maya is clearly still alive. The only way a Spren can die, that we know of, is anti-Investiture.

my mistake

The distinction between a deadeyes and a dead Spren is important enough to point out. Wasn't even talking to you.

I'll concede to that. However, this WoB was before Nightblood consumed Rayse, and I think it's safe to assume that Rayse himself was more invested than Stormfather. So, I guess it depends on whether or not Nightblood has a limit to how much Investiture it can accumulate over time.

1. Spren don't die when Radiants break their Oaths, they become deadyes. 2. Ba-Ado-Mishram's imprisonment is what caused this to happen. So yes, at this current time, Dalinar would severely hurt Stormfather if he broke his Oath. However, Ba-Ado-Mishram will certainly be released in Stormlight 5, which would prevent Stormfather from becoming a deadeyes from broken oaths. 3. Once again, Hemalurgy could be used to maintain a Nahel bond, regardless of Oaths upheld or Sprens' will.

I feel like you're not listening lol. Brandon literally said that Hemalurgy could be used to force a Nahel bond if "something else" was included.

I would argue that Nightblood is more invested than the Stormfather.

I could definitely see Odium using Hemalurgy on Dalinar.

Ok, but you don't know that... Brandon said that the Spren has free will "in most cases". If it were impossible to maintain a Bond through sheer force, then why would he say that? And what use would Dalinar be to Odium without his abilities? At that point, he'd just be another man.

Yeah, right away I thought it was weird, considering the Stormfather said he would have no Shards, but I'm guessing that only applies to a Shardbalde. (Nevertheless, I do think we'll see Dalinar summon Stormfather as a blade during the contest of champions, but I digress)

An interesting passage from Oathbringer, Chapter 109. From Venli's POV, while in a Vision with Dalinar. “Above, the man in the blue uniform leaped into the chasm. He fell beside the hole’s perimeter, and stretched one hand toward Venli. His other ground against the rock wall, hand scraping the stone. Something flashed around his arm. Lines of light, a framework that covered his body. His fingers didn’t bleed as they scraped the stone.” This seems eerily similar to the way living Shardplate is described by Kaladin in RoW. Chapter 110: “Lines of light exploded around him as the spren transformed—being pulled into this realm and choosing to Connect to him.” Notice, "lines of light" are described in both instances. This could be a stretch, but I think Dalinar might already have the ability to form living Shardplate.

I'm gonna have to just disagree on that.

"In most cases".... Why would Ishar even attempt to steal Dalinar's Bond with the Stormfather if the Stormfather could just sever the Bond immediately? I thinks it's obvious that Spren can be forced into a Bond in some way shape or form.