Quintessential
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Scans happen after deaths, whereas copperclouds happen before (I believe?), so there could have been a coppercloud on Illwei technically but Mat wouldn't have known it with his scan.
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Illwei (because I just realized that if I have a final vote on her this cycle, I could be Soothed off of her (or Rioted onto her, if I end up deciding not to vote her) next cycle)
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Pfff right that's gonna happen Here's a thought: you Cetts could kill Illwei today anyway! Out of the goodness of your hearts!
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Uh huh. Suuurrreee
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Hahah. Funny. : P
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...why would that make it shaky? Mat doesn't have any info on anyone's identities : P
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Multiball = multiple elim teams.
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ikr? Agreeing with an elim... multiball is weird : P
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No, Mat's actual arguments about her (which, since as Gneorndin he doesn't know any of his teammates, are legitimate and not influenced by TMI) made sense to me and I've had gut on her since C1.
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I still think she's elim : P and even if she's not, she's gonna end up eating up discussion next cycle, so might as well get that out of the way, yeah?
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Ah, so you admit it? (hey would you mind requesting that your teammates murder Illwei? Since it seems you're gonna be exed this cycle...)
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I'd move my vote but if I do it'll be soothed away so....
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Ah, okay so I've gone back and reread what I skimmed. Personally, I'm with Ash here: at this point I think both of them are elim (well, that's where I was before actually, except for a brief moment after I read Mat's claim XD). However, tbh I'd actually rather vote Illwei than Matrim. I don't trust either of them, and I think Mat is at this point far more likely to be NKd. So imo the best way to get results on them is to exe Illwei. : P (also since Mat's Soothing me apparently, my vote will be canceled if I'm on him, because I had a final vote on him last cycle, but it won't be canceled if I'm on Illwei. Therefore, I am literally more effective voting her)
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@Matrim's Dice if what you're saying is true, then how did Striker know that he was going to be attacked?
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That's actually a really good idea... I always kinda feel like/worry that a lot of what I say gets lost, and people don't see it, so it would be really nice to have something like this to be able to highlight the points I really wanna get across each cycle
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No, please no, anything but Gracious Professionalism™!
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Er... we wouldn't believe you, probably. And if you're Vin you're dead anyway 'cause then both elim teams will want to kill you : P
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Oh no not this again... I thought I'd gotten away from this when I left my robotics team at the start of quarantine! : P
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Ask Straff to NK you
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Be completely unsurprised and not change what we're doing at all, considering that we're already assuming you're Cett Mistborn
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That's... not what I was saying but whatever : P (my point about the game was that if Reading had been elim, people other than me (a confirmed villager from my pov) would have been trying to save him. Since people other than me weren't trying to save him, even by EoD, I was pretty sure he was vil. But that reasoning only worked if I was village, and you guys thought I was elim, so it would have been a waste of effort trying to explain it anyway)
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I knew he was village because I knew I was and could see that the fact that no one was jumping on my plan meant there weren't any elims who wanted Reading alive, hence he was village, but it was EoD and I didn't have the time to explain that properly, as if anyone would have believed me even if I had : P
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...the thread seemed perfectly fine with him killing me, iirc. I think you were like... the only person telling him to kill TJ. I don't remember very well though Eh, y'know what, Illwei Matrim. After responding to Illwei I looked through the other posts and noticed a couple more people are voting Mat--which means my plan is probably not catching on :P. There really isn't much point in voting Illwei rather than Mat though I mean at this point my vote is redundant no matter what I do so I'll just save it for next cycle.
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@Illwei I'm realizing I didn't make it super clear why I think Straff will attack Mat: Straff is not in a good position right now. It's C3 and their Mistborn is already dead. They have no idea who each other are, and if they're not careful they might turn on each other in the thread by accident. They're at a distinct disadvantage compared to both other teams. And Mat appears to be the Cett Mistborn. I don't have any particular interest in keeping Cett and Straff even--I mean, I want them both equally dead in the end but I don't care how lopsided it gets along the way there--but Straff probably wants to even things up between the two, or risk falling more easily. The easy way to do that in this case is to kill the person who appears to be the Cett Mistborn. And if Mat is Cett Thug instead, oh well, at least Straff isn't the only elim team to have lost a player. Basically, they have potentially more to gain from killing Mat or getting him killed than from ignoring him. I am arguing that we should force them to kill him themselves, instead of doing it for them and letting them target someone else who might end up being a villager. Two of the three deaths this cycle (at least) could involve the death of a villager. The Cett one almost certainly will, unless by some miracle they hit one of the two or three remaining Straff. If we decide to exe Mat, we can guarantee that the exe won't kill a villager, but that also means that Straff will target someone else--and they're no more likely to hit another elim than Cett is (since they won't target Mat in this scenario). So in that case, we have one non-villager death and two probable-villager deaths. Of course, if we choose not to exe Mat, I'm guessing Straff will target Mat to even things up between them and Cett (in addition to whatever reason they had for killing him last cycle). In that case, the Straff kill won't target a villager, and the exe might. Which sounds bad, until you realize that in the former case, the villagers have no control over either probable-villager death, and in the latter case, we do have control. We can make sure that if a villager dies, at least it either gives us information or resolves a major dispute that would otherwise suck up discussion time, and we have a higher chance of exeing an elim than Straff has of killing one, because we don't care which team that elim comes from. Obviously it's also possible that Straff won't target Mat--to cause confusion, to try to eat up the next cycle's exe, or what have you. But keep in mind, at least one of them wanted to kill him already, and now that he's survived an attack and been proven Cett, it's not unlikely that he's the Cett Mistborn, which only gives them more of an incentive to attack him. So it's a gamble, but I don't think it's all that risky of one. Besides, I suppose if he survives this cycle you can always override me, and next cycle's exe will be guaranteed to hit an elim. So, that's my general thought process. Having stepped away for a bit and looked back I can see where you're coming from--but I still think we should exe someone else this cycle. *cough* also remember in QF51 how I argued that we should play the higher-risk strategy by not exeing Reading and asking him not to shoot anyone, but nobody listened to me, and if you had we might not have lost? : P I'm not saying this is necessarily like that... but it kind of is though
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Wouldn't we all... but yeah, idk if I'd have wanted to run a game and play a game (especially a game like this) at the same time Sidenote: I didn't think I was going to like playing multiball, but I've been pleasantly surprised--this is actually a lot of fun
