Illwei

Anyways, no clue what the VC is at, but uh, Matrim really thought we could be friends mat but there ya go voting on me smh so here we are :P. *Opens mouth* *cronch*

Hey is there a chance that you know this because he's already had to clarify in the Elim doc? :P.

? People have come off of Archer, not me. ? it's still You, Archer, Striker, Ventyl, and now Random Bystander. Info kill bad

??? connie, where did this come from? Where did you leave? - Striker and I argued, Striker is stubborn. - Ash and I argued, Ash is less stubborn, but still stubborn - Archer came out (as non-rithmatist) - People on Archer are switching to Mat (honored and all, but what? - Connie just switched to Mat, no sense. P.S. Also, reading back through the thread, Illwei is wondering why all of her Elim- reads are the only Nulls on Mat's reads list smh :P.

Elim slip P.S. Sorry, will clarify: Where the heck would two of my top Elim reads be talking together, hm?

MAT NO WE CAN FIND ANOTHER TARGET TOGETHER we have two hours lets go go go go go

I'd be down for killing Ventyl. Connie's said some hedgey things which makes me think she's trying to hide something, but like actually wondering if it's actually the thief. Something she said earlier. Her weird flip off of Archer was weird but also her initial suspicion wasn't that hard and it doesn't really mean anything and it's hard to concentrate when Straw is trying to narrate an audiobook or whatnot while I'm writing this and replacing every other word with "Redacted" smh I still don't like Ventyl's latch onto Archer, but I still stand by that if Vently/Archer E/V, then it makes more sense to be one of [Striker, Ash]/Ventyl to be e/e. because there's little reason for him to not latch onto one of them, and it's not like someone else was in the running when he hopped onto me. Archer had two votes from Mat and RB iirc but that's not really something big. Other than that- and something that's annoyed me- there haven't been any other votes. I can't use the argument that "there was no resistance to me" because somehow Archer got ahead of me, and yall don't like that argument anyways, but yeah- - other than that there hasn't been any other things. so it doesn't make much sense for elim!Ventyl to hop onto that with that little of reasoning. Ventyl Honestly I think i'd be down with killing on of [Lotus, RB, Reading, Alv, Connie, Burnt, Gears] today. Basically the least of my village reads. Maybe less on RB and Reading.

Okay I'm done defending myself. I'm going to spend the last bit going back through trying to sort out my reads because they'll probably be terrible but idk trying not to close my computer and ignore everything out of spite :P.

This is such a strong turn from you thinking I was an Elim earlier, Mat, But also like, he's right i guess. Didn't think about that. Archer isn't a rithmatist and it doesn't give any info basically, that's the thing. It's either a no-info kill or +1 to the strength. I do have no clue what my flip will tell yall, because those on me are on me because they think i'm an Elim and an Elim with someone else. so. Yeah. you're gonna be dissappointed about that, so arguably my flip gives little info as well. of course I'm saying this as someone who has TMI on my alignment lmao

smh see: "that was a joke vote", as I've said, like 20 times >>

Hi just making sure you realize that I never wanted to kill archer hm

Ventyl P.S. So also, this is why I'm not a fan of just voting last minute/close to. Stating suspicions is nice and all, but some people piled on Archer because they didn't think I was more suspicious, even though they had other suspicions because there were no other votes. Well, if you don't go out and place that vote then you can't really be upset when the person you "settled on" flips village? because if no one actually votes for their suspicions then they aren't going to die.

"36 new messages" sajkdlfhd HI! I KNOW! if people could read the discussion I had with Ash? that would be nice! there is a reason I wasn't like "yo ash let's move this to PMs". so that other people could see and/or get involved in it! skafjhflsfd agh. So Agh. I completely agree with your point about Lotus, I felt the same way. I'm not feeling so great About Ventyl, but I don't think he would hop on a teammate's reasoning that fast. Connie's weird sudden defence of Archer is strange Not feeling good about Alv, tbh, but...he hasn't said anything really, And I'm not in a PM with him. so that's just gonna bake for a bit in the "I don't like it" oven Stink i don' feel good about. I am chalking this up to the fact that I'm kinda actually seeing him talk in pms in a game kinda? so idk but it's still there. Not sure...not sure what I think about Archer. Yeah I think they're suspicious, but I think they're just as suspicious as in QF50. They are talking a bit more now, which definitely makes me a bit worried, but this is also a LG so ofc they're talking more. reeeeeeee I have village reads on Quinn, Striker, and Ash for right now. Ventyl/Archer not E/E Illwei (4): Ashbringer, Striker, Archer, Ventyl Archer (6): Matrim, Random Bystander, Kas, TJ, Araris, STINK Flyingbooks(1)Mist Damn is this a burn on sart damn. What an interesting statement for someone claiming to be going blindly off of Archer's post? Wait waht? you're voting Archer because he has valuable items?

They. They did not. They voted me because...I'm not british?, I think we've gone over this already? I insulted their Maths or whatnot and then they were like "I'm litterally voting u tomorrow" and then they did Which is why see it was you and Striker and Stink, all having different reasonings. then Ventyl, who also had different reasoning but was just sheeping archer for like no reason and didn't even understand what he was sheeping, and that's like, the most suspicious of them for me. but only makes sense to me for him to choose Archer to sheep over like, [Ash, Striker] if he's E/E with one of you. idk. I I did not trust you :P. THink I did PM someone? maybe? I've been like This game is stressful for me because of the whole chalkling mechanic, and like, I'm having trouble reading people and like, I don't really have any trusts. I've told Striker some things, but he doesn't actually want to talk to me :P. I think my next top trust would have to be Quinn? but at the same time she doesn't terribly like talking about the game with me I find :P. and I don't quite trust her to keep things from you or Gears :P.

Because when I say things I'm not saying them, worried about how I'm sounding. I'm just. Saying them. I wanted to see if anyone else was going to hop onto your reasoning after you voted me. I wanted you to vote me. Maybe you woulda if I explained right then, but also once I explain, I think the elims are less likely to. Yeah, it's a misunderstanding. One that should be cleared up by now, yet you're still using that reasoning to try and push me. Yeah, apparently I didn't apparently I thought i did but went back to check and all I talked about was walking the dog or whatnot ya know so i only have one source now and that was striker smh

Wait! no! the plot has been foiled! ;-; Archer smh my vote is meaningless with a reason ;-; How it's been me, with like, Mat and rby voting on you because of gut P.S. oh huh, *checks PM* went from the book of vigor to dog walking real fast huh. I thought I gave reasoning but Ig not :P. (this is your cue ash! where you go "aha! Illwei did not expect Archer to actually show up and spill the contents of their PM!" or something like that)

Not the type of chaotic I needed (: and this isn't...tinfoily? really? this is just you in a tunnel. Tinfoil would be me trying to lead a charge against Quinn rn for claiming Forbiddance. I've been blatantly Suspicious by the textbook definition in ways- you coming after me for that isn't tinfoiling. Where's your chalk? oh, it was "stolen" ? man, that's not believable smh. If i was an Elim do you think I'd come out and be like "this is a susupicious action" after constantly saying that I was taking that action? do you think that if I was an Elim I would say I actually didn't take that action which seems to be half of your reasoning here in the first place? What would you want me to do with it? I noted it? not everything I do has to make sense to you for me to do it, that's not on my checklist that I check before...doing anything. right now that checklist has one box, and right next to that box it says "do I really wanna say this?" and like, i definitely have ignored that checklist more than once. Yeah it's my job to try and get yall to understand what I'm doing, but it's your job to try and understand as well :P. not for me to explain. and explain. and explain. while you're stuck in a tunnel so dark you can't see my explanations. I'm not scared, I just didn't wanna address it then. I don't report to you :P. I'm. not really suspicious of him? no more than I'm suspicious of you? I was responding to his arguments. Me defending myself against Archer != Me thinking Archer is suspicious for having his suspicions. I'm arguing with you as well, right now. I'm not really suspicious of you. This is you confbiasing your read on me with something that is...completely. NAI. for. me. Archer challenged people, I vote him. that's how I do. I find this sentence completely irrelevant. If i take out parts of what you say, I could frame you to look suspicious. I gave the reasoning, and you don't get to just ignore it because I didn't respond to you right away. Has the fact that they haven't said anything mean anything to you? I haven't talked to Archer much but every time I talk to striker he basically stonewalls me with "I'll look at that, depending, after your flip", usually with an added "if you actually flip vil". I'm dead to him already, and he doesn't really care what I've said, and he only might care after I'm dead. I don't think you're gonna see him coming out being like "oh yeah Illwei is actually being truthful and whatnot" because I don't think he cares at this point. He just wants me dead. And this is basically you doing the same thing. you've set up a lose/lose situation (as in I lose either way) where if someone comes out and is like "no yeah she did" you don't trust them, and if no one does, you don't trust me. I can't argue against someone who won't listen. I also have no clue how you see striker/me as E/E

Right yeah last thing for my big post response to ash or whatnot: - First of all, went back to read D1 and N1 in the quotes and your "this sounds different" I mean I feel like that first post also sounds very different than the second and third of the day that you quoted :P. - Also This is like, stupid reasoning and I know yall are like, gonna be like "wow Illwei just said that huh? /vote illwei" or whatnot but like Ash Your argument revolves around me basically intentionally outing myself as an Elim and I know like, I've only had one Elim game but like you really think? that I'd? do that? Like this isn't reasoning because I can't self meta and be like "I just wouldn't do that as an Elim" because that's the stupidest defense in the books but like what?

kay then nevermind! hehe

I still stand by that we could not kill today and see how the night goes :P.

[1] Explaination 1. "I wanted to grab vigor so the elims wouldn't have it ya know " :). [2] See QF50 and the GM spreadsheet >> Uh, yeah they do??? I like, explicitly answered the questions you asked? Q1. "If you only wanted Vigor so the Elims couldn't, knowing your own Villageness, why didn't you submit an action?" > A. "because I'm an idiot" - An idiot, who didn't submit her actions. Q2. "If you didn't submit an action, why did you half-accuse Books of taking "your" Vigor Book?" > A. "To see how people would react" - like you are rn. see: 'fish, bait' Q3. "And why didn't you mention either when I asked during the night?" > A. "because night" - Er, okay this one needed more probably :P. it was night, and I didn't wanna talk about it til the cycle was over really. I wanted to see who died. and. unfortunately no one did. :P. see: "because night" er, that post was a response to Archer. Yeah, this is also not related to the whole vigor book thing :P. but yes, baiting. see: "like 85% of what I do is for reactions" pretty sure I've said it somewhere at some point :P. Archer told me what theoretically is the contents of his PM with connie because of some things, I'd say I'm satisfied. Yeah I have no clue what you're searching for here? uh, this was a question to Archer? so, whatever. Lmao archer be like: No one is allowed to naked vote on me! Illwei: Naked votes Archer Ash: Illwei that vote is suspicious ??? :P. Yeah shouldn't be irrelevant to you. different stance in thread? kinda looks like that ig, but like, also not really? I can't be objective on myself because I"m me, ofc, but like - Illwei goes after Vigor book - Illwei tells people to not take her vigor book - Illwei goes after books for taking the vigor book because that's an Elim thing to do, and explains she wanted to take it to make sure Elims didn't I don't see the contradictions. I don't. and if for some reason you think I came up with the whole "haha i took it so Elims couldn't!" when you thought i was like caught or something, I should have two PMs, funnily enough the two other people actually voting on me, that have me stating reasoning early D1. Yeah you did, that's like, the whole point. Did not intend for you to turn this into a tunnel but here we are :P. P.S. oh, conclusion. yeah. that first post there basically, the like, first two posts? those were both. explainations.

very informative post yes yes

Currently ISOing ash (smh I think he's village smh) and ash i just responded to your post, and you only respond to the part that is completely non-game related? honestly don't appreciate that much :P. woulda been nice if you responded to the other things too. You said it yourself that Chaos != Uselessness so I don't see that as a good excuse to avoid this. (also talking about Chaos != uselessness I sincerely apologize to pyro (like he's ever gonna see this :P.) for tryna kill him because he was chaotic smh who am I to talk) P.S. if the other person who used forbiddance doesn't wanna come out in thread d'ya wanna come to me :D. honestly I don't see the point because either the Elims hit you or they didn't downside to claiming in thread is people knowing that you might not have a chalk, but also it's a complete maybe so I also don't see that as a good point either? idk.

I I did tho? I wanted book to keep it from elims, i say things in thread because the things i had said to people in PMs were getting nowhere and everyone was kinda like "oh ok" when i was like "ye I want that vigor book" which was kinda strange (lookin' at u, Archer :eyes:) and then so i say things in thread just to say them you know I don't need a plan all the time ya know I'm pretty much doing whatever this game ya know I legit said both of those words a total of once :P. in one post :P. also Ash you've been in vc with me i'm offend smh :P. P.S was looking through ur posts I found this and like just wanna clarify was not ever shifting? I was like "This isn't a village book" and then I was like "imma take this book yall back off" and then I was like "this isn't a village book" (haha. pun?) so ye. the first one happened in a PM but striker can confirm it's there. pretty sure Archer can too. so like, was not ever shifting.

Big quote oop 1) -__-. Firefox be like "you really wanna go ta pintrest?" me be like "wat" anyways lmao I really thought I posted that during the night lmao anyways oki :P. 2) Ye, I assumed that, but gotta point it out anyways though, ya know? ya never know :P. 3) Yeah you're not really defending your point here? I'm not a fan of ties. I am a fan of breaking ties tho? I don't find them similar in that way :P. there is no reason for an Elim to create a tie between an Elim and a villager unless they think that more people would follow them for some reason. Idk. Not knowing who is gonna die as village is always worse imo. even if it's the person you don't want to have died its better than it being completely random and not knowing where to go from there or whatnot idk. 4) Eh, well if my explanation can't satisfy u then i don't got nothin' because that's what I gots. 5) yeah i don't like that because it relies on village doing things like. just. not using vote manip? which. I mean it doesn't even rely on that, it- there wasn't even vote manip this round. so. Like, if there was then I'd be like "maaaaybe? that makes sense?" but there. wasn't even vote manip? so it's not like ash came to the thread after the Elims had blatantly used vote manip and been like "oh wat there's vote manip" which I mean that wouldn't be a slip at all either I- yeah this makes no sense but neither do any of your other points to me really so yeah have fun with that. 6) I mean this is kinda irrelevant to my point which was trying to clear up the miscommunication that seemed to be happening? I'm not arguing for or against anything, or like, asking you for your explainations? I've already read that discussion(s?) and like, I thought TJ's point was that there is no way to actually hold people accountable with RNG. the problem isn't actually having enough Defense, it's accounting for like, everyone's actions and whatnot. 7) "everyone' is kinda the wrong word here? I mean, yeah. someone was attacked then, but if there was no kill and people aren't alerted, there's like, nothing stopping an Elim from coming out and being like "I used forboding" or wonton, ya know? like, if there was a way to check then that'd kinda be bad for them but there isn't so they lose nothing and get to explain away things and this is where i say yall, i know its kinda wierd to ask but can i like, ask that people don't protect urself? like, yeah kinda a suspicious thing to say but we get info from NKs and it doesn't up the chalklings defense. i know no one like, actually wants to die, but if you die then chalk goes back into the pool and like someone else can use it to defend if you don't. so yeah. my two cents or whatnot. I really don't see it but uh go off ig Archer Well I settled on danex because he's usually super talkative and whatnot and it was terrible meta but it was all i had and i didn't wanna kill Mat and I still don't wanna kill mat but the fact that mine and mat's reads are so different this game like is that a reason I can sus him? :P. Matrim, where did my little sheepy go ;-;. had little to do with specifically being inactive because I'm not usually a contribution crusade person Im spending like all my time tryna defend but I can't defend off - Striker, in a tunnel - Archer, who thinks he's single handedly solved the game :P. - Stink, who wants to kill me bc I'm not british >.( (did i use that right?) - Ventyl, who wants to kill me bc he doesn't wanna read through the thread and also thinks it's suspicious that I pushed connie (bc he thinks she's the thief??) even tho I didn't? - Ash, who is still confused about the vigor book basically I don't like Ash off of this? no clue what Archer thinks he's done good for the village so I guess I'll wait for that because Ash is focusing so hard on that vigor book smh.