Illwei
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Yeah it is :P. Whysper you are a godsend I love you :P. EDIT: [Insert liranil's quote here] I mean, yes, but that's how all of these games work :P.
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I've found your weakness! Also apologies for the banter, Illwei has gone back to chilling. games too stressful for doing things.
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There's no getting away from the Gracious Professionalism good sir, not with Illwei around! Honestly smh it's such a good phrase more people should use it smh
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Well I'll be That's just not very Gracious or Professional of you, good sir!
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What would yall do if I claimed Cett Mistborn now that's the real question here
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That reasoning makes no sense and you're just- Look I barely have energy for this game. I'm not here to argue about what should have been done in past games. And I'm not here for you to attack me by basically saying that my plan is always followed and always wrong.
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either way: not the same situation because that was functionally lylo, and because the other target was TJ and he was an Elim. so theoretically my plan there wasn't a bad one either. Quinn's plan would work but only if reading was village so-
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I saw you say in there "I see where you're coming from", so I'm going to take that and stop arguing. it isn't, and killing reading as village would have been fine if he hadn't given in to paranoia and had killed TJ, like the thread was telling him to
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I don't mean to appear angry or whatnot aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I do think I'm getting a little frustrated because Quinn seems to be arguing that Not The Optimal Strategy is the Optimal Strategy and is also pushing that I am an Elim because I am pushing the Optimal Strategy. If people really want to leave Mat alive today I am amenable to voting Quinn because I can't see how this comes from Town. Yes. Yes it is.
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I quoted the bit in Quinn's post, because I thought the same, until she said Quinn doesn't want to kill mat, At all.
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Sure, let's go through this why don't we. fine. I don't want to. I don't have the energy for this. But since literally no one else here will engage, I will. Tell me if I'm misinterpreting your points or something. -- Point 1: They don't need to follow their mistborn's decisions, the Mistborn isn't a dictator, and the mistborn might not have the best plan. Quinn's Rebuttal: The Elims still want to kill Mat because he's confirmed Cett, and they're going to have to kill him to win. Illwei's Rebuttal: It doesn't matter who they know isn't them. They can't kill their teammates. which means what? Everyone they kill will be either Cett or Village. It shouldn't matter to them which, because they both have mistborns, they both need to be dead for Straff to win. So leaving an almost confirmed Cett alive means that the village has to kill them at some point to win. -- Point 2: Killing him doesn't actually help them as much as you think it does Quinn's Rebuttal: They have to kill him at some point to win. Illwei's Rebuttal: Well guess what, yeah, like you said. So do we? Mat is basically a confirmed Elim because there is no reason for Striker to lie at the end there, when, like someone said, Striker lying would potentially hit a teammate. the point remains that yes. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KILL MATRIM AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. What quinn is arguing here is to LEAVE AN ALMOST CONFIRMED ELIM ALIVE UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME. I don't care about the intentions, or what you think will happen right now. Quinn is ACTIVELY ARGUING THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE MATRIM, ALMOST CONFIRMED ELIM MISTBORN, ALIVE. She's not saying that we should kill him next cycle if he isn't NK'd, she's saying that we should ACTIVELY NOT KILL HIM. This doesn't help village at all. Do we hit an almost confirmed elim? or do we take some more shots in the dark, hit some more villagers, and leave him alive? ??? Are you Cett? because WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT DOESN'T MATTER TO US TO KEEP THE ELIM TEAMS EVEN. And the fact that you're operating under the assumption that it does, makes it sound like you're an Elim. The Elims who might attack Mat would be straff, yes. But attacking Mat doesn't help them so they wouldn't. And you're somehow putting it onto me that I am now evil, for wanting to kill mat? If "Not attacking Mat does not guarantee that Straff will not lose one of their own to the exe!" then that goes back to my other point, which is that you are arguing to leave mat alive indefinitely. which is NOT HELPFUL AT ALL. We're not just going to go "well, that's an Elim!" and then KILL OTHER PEOPLE. when 1) Mat might not be an Elim so we might be making faulty assumptions, leading us to kill other villagers 2) Mat might be an Elim, and a mistborn at that, which means leaving him alive, if so, isn't good for the village, and meanwhile we will probably be killing other villagers because there really isn't a lot to go on in this game. I'm done arguing. someone else? @Liranil? @Whysper? @Gears? Anythoughts? Or other less-analyz-y people? wanna comment on things? instead of having me and Quinn battle this out. I get that, people might find it hard to read these, and I'm sorry for that, but when no one else talks this is what it's going to be, and I can't change that because I'm not going to turn to having zero conversation instead.
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That's kinda hm??? More points to E!Mat Imo. but if people still don't understand me...I don't know how else to explain it. The Elims want as much control as possible, and that's almost impossible without offering up someone for the vote that is basically confirmed Elim. So if the Elims Didn't kill Matrim, then they would be confirmed hitting someone not of their own alignment, potentially hitting an elim from the other team, and they'd also be confirmed not losing one of their own to the lynch. so that's bad x2 for the Village. If they do kill Mat, then there's reason to think that 1) he might not die, and 2) they don't know who would die to the vote tomorrow, and it would potentially be one of their own. Uhhhh so basically my thought is that anyone arguing for not-Matrim is an Elim, or a very confused villager. because the best plan here is to get the obvious kill out of the way so that we can get the info from the flip, and make sure we're open to killing other people tomorrow. because otherwise we're no further on from where we started info-wise, but the Elims were still moving forward. an Effective no-lynch but...well, worse :P.
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Their mistborn is dead, and leaving him alive means that the village will waste a cycle on that, while they can make sure to kill off villagers. I can see a Straff!Quinn here because I don't know why anyone would want to NK Matrim? Again. if the Elims NK mat then they don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. if they don't then they 1) potentially confirm a teammate, 2) Potentially kill off someone (whoever it is, it's good for them) and 3) Make sure the Village wastes another cycle, killing someone confirmed not them. EDIT: Straff!Illwei wouldn't kill Matrim, as outlined in above post??? I don't understand why the Elims would?
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Wait Devo is in the game now? EDIT: oh, yeah they are. lmao. hi! EDIT: Aha! which means you are the 3p and on Matrim's team. I have solved the game yet again. this time It's right, I swear.
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I don't see you saying he's wrong :eyes:
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Perhaps TMI on the kill? I wouldn't have killed Matrim, because I think you were potentially setting him up to be the next cycle's ML. I mean, I can't speak for Striker, but...I started that train? Ofc I was on it? I started it because I had a theory, which has...proven itself wrong in more ways than one :P. And you're selectively picking things? leaving out the posts I made where I mentioned how people were focusing so much on Archer because of the kill and just basically ignoring Striker? anyways. Why wouldn't they attack him? because confusion. I think that he's basically confirmed Elim, and I don't see a reason to wait on that. Kill me next cycle or something, or- "Why not let the Elims kill me off!" (that was a mocking tone, fyi :P) Because I think Elims have more reason than not to kill villagers over elims. much safer for them to leave the main vote for the Elims and NK people that they think are either on their team or are a village threat.
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had in my notes earlier stink/Mat E/E but that's not it lmao. back to reading. Potentially bip/striker team, yeah. She offhandedly interacted with alot of his posts I think. Matrim did reinforce this "don't kill the outed mistborns" that could imply he's a mistborn or just that he's an Elim I guess, seeing as the two people talking about that were him/Striker. Lmao I think Striker might have slipped and Ash caught him. So I don't think Ash is on his team. Striker said: which Ash pointed out. how. "low chance of vin" shouldn't have been the wording there. Realized that I did point out things I didn't like about Matrim so apparently I did think he was an Elim and I'm very confused Really the only interaction I'm seeing with Mat is Tani, and that was barely an interaction. Yeah I've got nothing - Ash not Cett (Edit: Straff. I can read.) that's all I've got. you're welcome
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The one hesitation is why would they...NK? Matrim? I guess it's not a hesitation, more of just. confusion. because why Kill Mat there when...when killing a villager just seems better? so maybe it is a hesitation. because killing Mat there doesn't make sense to me.
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Also hey I'm still 100% for voting Elims on C1 unless for this game it needed to be one on each team to qualify.... :thinking:
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Before I do that, quick thoughts: - Bip feels different this game - that's reall all I have - oh ho ho I- I know, I'm just saying that mat being an Elim doesn't line up with my stuffs and now i gotta rethink things and look for who Mat might have linked to ;-;
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This is messing up all my theories I don't want to look back through old cyclesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Well Okay then honestly? Matrim
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Quinn still on a vanity wagon, Archer on Liranil because ofc Archer isn't going to kill himself
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you don't need to respond to everything :P. you had already explained your defense, and I had already said that I knew that was an option :P. So you're being redundant right now in trying to un-convince me, when I said even the first time that it wasn't something I was convinced or felt strongly about :P. here: Which was me saying that I know Quinn actually does that (as reinforced by the 50+ Questions she always asks pre-game :P) so the reasoning was flawed, which is why I'm not leading a crusade on her rn :P. (yes, the "rn" qualifier again, Whysper :P. Again, very important :P.) very important :P.
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I'm not attacking you rn Quinn, I was explaining my reasoning to Liranil because she misunderstood it
