Illwei
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It's not RNG, I'm about to die
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hi, uh, Killing me gets you nothing in regards to PMs...and Killing me in particular over Xino gets you no PM differences (especially because there are none to begin with), unless you are really wanting a Xino PM so that they can say absolutely nothing there either. Anyone wanna save me from this reasonless reason in killing me? so... This feels like revenge for the past two games is Rollover in 20 minutes or an hour?
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I'll post: Hey, uh, anyone wanna take their vote off of me, so I don't die? I've been trying to write up a post, but honestly I'm too busy failing my classes
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Venture So I'm going to move onto Xino, because as much as I mistrust Venture, I also don't want to die. My infamous luck with ties will see me through. Xino's as good a target as any, as I agree with Elk about his past Elim games. I don't really like killing off Inactives though. I guess inactives hurt us more in this game because of the voting rules changes as the game goes on though.
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Ah, perfect. :P. EDIT: While it's lovely that we might unlock group PMs, may I suggest two people per vote target, as to not allow the monk to gain their ability?
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I mean, yeah, that was my first thought, but then I was thinking that if that were the case she would have said it right away, not only after she was prompted. as well as I also see downsides to Elim!Lotus claiming that (as explained before) but also now that I think about it, I guess it wouldn't be worth it for Elim!Lotus to say anything unless she was prompted, because anything would draw attention to her. But basically I guess it's because Elk seconded so as far as we know, it did happen. so an event that just happened to lotus isn't telling of her alignment. Iadon could have swapped Elim!Lotus or Village!Lotus. if Elk flips Elim though I'll be a tad more sus though.
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Mostly it's for today, and your vote on Gears yesterday. It didn't even have reasonings, it was just because he Claimed Elim. This post - Where you vote on me for...thinking lotus is suspicious for not dying... And then you flip flop and are uncertain and end with wait maybe killing lotus isn't the worst thing. But instead you keep your vote on me for arriving at that conclusion as well. And you also include "Ah Geez. Devotionary. whyyyy..." which is just something I find unnecessary since it's not in your RP. All of a sudden you're suspicionless again, but still voting on me? though it seems that your suspicions revolved around lotus before? I'm just- I'm getting so frustrated this game that maybe you guys should just kill me off. You're missing Matrim To clarify everything: - I never pushed lotus, only voted them - I am surrently suspicious of Matrim, Venture, Xino, and King for gears votes yesterday - I am also wary of everyone who made me explain myself twenty times over, as that's all the conversation has been about today because of that. EDIT: idk if edits tag people, but @Elkanah @TJ Shade you guys haven't really said anything today. ?
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Imperial Nomic: The Final Empire
Illwei replied to ElectrumSavant's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
Aw dangit just two more days and I would be the only active member, meaning I could pass some laws all by myself and then win... -
Man, this is what I get for just being sooooo good at being an Elim . and throwing all my teammates undet the bus practically D1 No one is ever going to trust me again... but anyways- Lotus Venture I'll post some more in a while, and might actually change my vote by then, but I don't like the feeling I'm getting of venture and his actions. Maybe I'll join Elk in voting Xino, since I agree with him about that.
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I would hope no one has decided yet, as Lotus hasn't given reasoning and Venture voted before I explained what was apparently a confusing vote. and because we have 24 hours yet to go
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Yeah, I guess I just need to be more clear with things. life is busy and I make connections in my mind that I just assume everyone else does too, and then I post the start and end. Gears had been reading more Monk than Elim to me, so I took my vote off him, as to me he was either the Monk, who I don't really care about right now but would keep an eye on just in case, or a villager. Gears gave good reasoning for voting Lotus off on Day 1, and all of a sudden everyone was voting him, starting with a few people who voted him and kept it for claiming Elim. So I changed to Lotus. What didn't make sense to me is Gears changing off of Lotus when he had basically presented every counter, and still kept his vote on. I then took my vote off because I didn't like that right after I put my vote on Lotus Gears switched back. Uh, I mean, from my experience you can't make your teammates do anything, and if they want to try a new strat then it kinda might end badly for the team but it's up to them in the end. I mean, I'm not pushing it hard. It's just that I've had to restate the same Idea about twelve different ways so that people understood me :P. Yes, the first was proven invalid. let me take you through my thinking today: - *reads the Thread* - Why has no one pointed out that Devotary didn't trust the Iadon switch? maybe they swapped with Lotus? - Lotus is probably still Adjudicator then, and we should vote them out so the vote thing doesn't happen - Okay, Lotus claimed to be role swapped. well, that might be something to get them out of being daykilled if they were Elim - Wait, then why did Devotary die? - Oh, Elk has someone who claims to back Lotus up, so claiming means nothing now - Really, why did Devotary die? - Okay so Devotary couldn't have swapped with Lotus, so I guess I'll take my vote off. - Wait if why wasn't Lotus killed? - Lotus is more likely Elim because why would they be left alive when it could be a kill on an Actor or Adjudicator, so my vote is back on. - Wait, if Lotus was Elim then why would they claim to be role swapped because they had a freebie to explain why they weren't killed - Lotus could be a potential set up for the daykill if people are thinking like I am - Oh right, no one thinks the same things I do, apparently. As for the second, I fundamentally disagree with your vote on me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote you for that (right now :P) as I'm much more suspicious of Lotus for voting without reasons and Venture who started it. (Maybe I just accidentally set up a good alternative target in myself by accident...) I have provided my reasoning for why I thought Lotus was more likely Elim (many more times then should have been necessary) So you think I'm trying a new Elim strat, maybe one that the Elim team might disapprove of? If you look back on my games I act much more suspiciously (er, apparently?) in my village games. (I mean, only one Elim game to compare them to, and I honestly have zero Idea how people read me as village during that because the only thing I did differently was....withhold information? and my thoughts?) Aaaand this. I understand that you fundamentally disagree with everything saying that Lotus is an Elim, but point #1 is pointless and you're missing #4, which is that Lotus is on the Elim team. You can't ignore options just because you want to.
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I- Can someone tell me I'm not going insane? are people purposefully misunderstanding me? did I misunderstand you? After voting on Lotus I thought that there was a possibility that leaving Lotus alive would help the Elims run a train on Lotus because of this? Someone who hasn't posted yet please read through my posts and tell me they make sense.
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This was a theory of mine, but I was going to wait and see if anyone joined me in voting Lotus besides Ventyl before saying anything.
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Er, I'm saying that Lotus is a good kill target because either: Devotary used their ability on Lotus and Lotus was targeted for the NK Lotus isn't an Elim because it was an attempted NK, and the Elims are actively trying to Kill Lotus, which means that if she is the Adjudicator it would be better to Vote her out This whole point is irrelevant now that we know her role was swapped. Devo was Nk'd (or swapped with someone who was, because IDK who would kill Devotary as they haven't played a game recently. maybe that gives us hints as to whodunit), Lotus is more likely Elim because she wasn't targeted by the Kill. the assumption was that Iadon might be able to swap roles before Lotus was killed, there was no assumption imo that Lotus would survive There's also the..er...option? that the Elims ruled out Lotus for some Meta reason, but I have no clue what that would be and why it would be stronger than not attacking Devotary. So with reason 1 there is no assumption that Lotus is an Elim, but the assumption that if she actually is the Adjudicator then we should vote her out rather than have her be NK'd. Honestly targeting Lotus would have been not only an option with no Downsides, but the best option. You'd either hit (1) The Adjudicator, (2) An Actor, or (3) Lotus, not the Adjudicator.
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At first I had my vote on Lotus because it was likely they were still a Village Adjudicator Now I have my vote on them because Elim!Illwei sees no reason not to try to NK lotus.
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I- someone tell me they understood my other post. My vote was unrelated to Lotus being suspicious. It was because if Devotary had swapped places with Lotus, then that means Lotus was attacked, which means the Elims are actively trying to kill the Adjudicator, which means we need to get there first. So, Matrim, the post was the reasoning for it, just not reasoning for a Elim!Lotus But then Lotus posted this: If I was Elim!Lotus, I would have not claimed that, as I could have hidden the fact that I didn't die behind Devotary's maybe swap. But also, why didn't the Elims kill Lotus? Personally Elim!Illwei would prefer a Village Adjudicator gone later rather than sooner, but gone rather than not. Not getting rid of Lotus D1 means that they probably wouldn't have another chance to. I would also like to mention that neither times did Lotus actually Claim "Adjudicator". Not sure If that's relevant This whole post doesn't give me good vibes. Okay this brings me up to three. Can someone please tell me that they understood my post? Yes, Venture, That is why I was voting Lotus. because if Devotary defended them then The Elims are going after the Adjudicator. So I mean this could be either Elim!WhoeverElkanahIsTalkingToInHisPMsThatHeDoesn'tWantToSayWhoItIsForSecurityReasons or Elim!Elkanah trying to...idk because I don't see this as a logical need to cover up move because if I was...Elim!Lotus.... You know, I don't know a lot about lotus. I don't know if maybe Elim!Lotus looked at the thread and went "Oh shoot! I need to say something!" because that definitely could have happened, because I don't know why an Elim!Lotus would claim to have been role swapped if she wanted to appear village. So a summary of my thoughts because I apparently don't make things clear enough :P. : - Village!Lotus should have been NK'd - Elim!Lotus shouldn't have claimed role swap. of course, it seems that Lotus was role swapped, so I guess it could be Elim!Lotus just not wanting to be caught in a lie. But basically I'm keeping my vote on Lotus because there should have been no downsides in trying to NK her.
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I can't tell if I should mark you sus for the conclusions I keep seeing you jump to, or if you are just giving me a sus vibe because maybe you're trying harder to mistrust me because of last game. I really have no clue how you took what I said to mean that I thought Lotus is an Elim. Maybe the vote? I'm voting lotus for reasons last turn. What's the fun if you guys hide your white text so plainly obviously? It seems most likely to me that: Devotary, not trusting that Iadon would swap the roles, swapped places with Lotus: - if Lotus was village then that would be a good choice for village on a whole - if Lotus was Elim then either it wouldn't matter or it would get an Elim killed. If this is true then I think the best choice is to vote Lotus, because I wouldn't want Devotary to die for nothing. I mean, I could see something where maybe Devotary decided to try and open a PM, or get extra income, and got targeted? I mean personally if I was an Elim then I wouldn't have killed them because they haven't played a game in a bit. Of course, there was that thing with MR42 and Orlok If I was an Elim and Lotus was village, then I would definitely target Lotus N1, as I don't see any drawbacks. No one has access to a protect, so either you hit the adjudicator, or you hit a villager. Small chance that Lotus is actually an Actor, and was baiting, but a small chance of hitting the Elim team probably. For all we know right now, Lotus could actually be an actor and swapped places with Devotary who also just so happened to be an actor. The other option is that we let Lotus go, continue and try to find the Elim team, and hope that we do fine. I don't really like that option though.
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I would like to point out that no one pointed out that Devotary was a believer of Village!Adjudicator!Lotus, and was also a believer that Iadon probably wouldn't swap the roles. Lotus
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@Elkanah I'm liking the "The Reasons" section :P.
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Graded on a scale of S-E, on completion, not accuracy. Expected on my desk no later than Monday at 1900 MDT. This is only the first in a series, and next night I expect a Proposal outlining the top three best suspects to vote on. what exactly falls under "Proposal" ? I failed Technical Writing three times. @Kynedath Do PMs have to be bought from the market? I'm a bit confused.
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Talk about the distribution during the day turn? RP? Everyone do deep analysis of the people who voted and compile a 30 page report and PowerPoint to be shared tomorrow during the day cycle?
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I was thinking that that would make as much sense as Lotus claiming Adjudicator and being Village. I don't see Lotus making a new choice without a team to either back her up or to fall back on. I mean, my vote definitely does appear weird, doesn't it? Do you mean for reasoning from Gears? I'm confused about what this means, but yeah. Gears made some points but for now I'm going to ignore them. EDIT: ah. I understand. no, that was not why I switched to Lotus. Lazy wasn't the word I was looking for really. I was looking for: Keeping his vote on Lotus there would give him reason to be all by his lonesome in the vote because no one else would really want to vote lotus at that point. Him taking his vote off of Lotus later makes that point meaningless. But it's not an Adjudicator death trigger, It's just a general Majority vote trigger, no? So Gears is kind of my top suspicion, but I don't want to vote on him. If necessary for PMs I will change, but I'm not sure otherwise. Lotus
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You know, wait. I don't make sense to me either there. I think gears is sus for a few things, but I also think that his reasoning for voting lotus makes sense. I'm not sure that having Iadon switch is great, as 1) trust, and 2) whoever he switched with might not be trustworthy as well. Idk. But, I guess following gears' reasoning when he's my other top Elim read doesn't make much sense. -- Both votes were for info and the info I did get. Unsure if it's useful or not yet, I'll have to wait a few cycles to see probably.
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Okay guys I have a theory: we were operating under the assumption that Lotus had claimed Adjudicator, but it seems that we were wrong. I think there is a secret role we were not aware of: the Adjuntator(tot). this fits with the Majority-Lunch rule that Lotus mentioned. I now ask you all to vote lotus, as I am currently hungry and would love some lunch. -- Okay well if Lotus didn't actually- I- well- Idk. Anyways so many people viewing the thread at the same time wow
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Maybe you would :P.
