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The elims know you want to squire Elbereth. She will be their first target.

No. I am simply telling you that if you do not squire someone and die, your role was worthless.

I reject the existence of nightmares.

If the elims are trying to kill you, you will die tonight. If you squire someone, the odds of squiring a villager are in your favour. Therefore, you should probably squire someone or we'll lose a Knight Radiant for nothing. I would recommend squiring someone who's not inactive [so we can use the power] and not El, but use your best judgement.

No. I support this addiction.

No.

This character is female.

Salamanders set on fire do not make Charmanders.

Wayne.

Granted. You can hear its screams. I wish that my time machine was functional enough for two stable trips.

If Ventyl manages to prove useful enough, we might let them live. [So elims, we might not lynch them. Keep that in mind.]

@Ventyl, squires get PMs with their Knights. Don't squire El anymore. Do anyone else.

Red Old giants, burning cold in the vast, varied universe. Light through fragile flesh. Beautiful, burning fire, dancing in the night. Anger, simmering beneath the surface, stoking the flames. Flesh, blood, sinew, the component parts of the bodies we inhabit. Your heart beating in your chest. Violent, burning passion.

That's true. How about this: We will not lynch Ventyl until we run out of more pressing lynch targets. Ventyl, prove your worth by doing something useful.

You're probably right about that, but this at least leaves Ventyl alive long enough to ensure we don't entirely waste a Knight Radiant. [Ventyl, you may wish to squire someone you trust as you probably won't live long enough to actually do much]. How many cycles should we leave Ventyl alive for? I have asked many times and received no answer.

Thank you. I will no longer count alone. 11862996, 11862995, 11862994...

@Ventyl, if you are indeed a villager and you have a significant trust, you may wish to squire that individual as the elims and the village are gunning for your head. If you are an elim, then you are going to die in 3 cycles [Players, please confirm the plan. Is 3 cycles too long?].

The current plan is to not lynch Ventyl for a few cycles. We should agree upon a set time limit for their survival. Does 2-3 cycles seem long enough?

Ventyl is the strongest village read because we have assumed that an elim would not roleclaim as that would not be advantageous in any scenario. However, as a few people have pointed out [I don't remember who though], this could be a strategy to masquerade as a confused villager. Yes, if Ventyl acts in a way that definitively proves their villager status, we will not lynch them.

The current plan [which no one has verified, please do so at your earliest convenience] is to hold off on lynching Ventyl in case they are actually honest about having a role and seeing if the elims kill them. If the elims don't kill Ventyl in 1-2 cycles [we need to decide this], we will lynch Ventyl. For now, we are attempting to slaughter other suspicions, because there is no scenario where Ventyl lives [we lynch today, elims kill later, or we lynch later]. From what I can tell, the TJ Shade lynch is based off of their attack on Ashbringer's usage of the affix "-ish" after the exact number of players and subsequent retraction after they took suspicion.

Ah. Thank you for the information. I would like to inform you and the general populace that my role was probably a one-off that only happened because I had copious quantities of free time pre-game.

The only incentive the elims have for not killing Ventyl given our plan is that they could force us to waste a lynch killing them. However, if we do not go with the plan, I'm of the opinion that we should lynch Ventyl now. Thus, we will end up lynching Ventyl in any circumstance where they do not die. There is no capacity for misdirect [that I can see, please inform me of any fallacies of logic]. EDIT: I forgot to check in with my fellow players about the viability of the plan. Players, your thoughts on holding off on a Ventyl lynch to see if the elims kill them for having a role and if they don't, lynch Ventyl.

This is true, which is why I noted that we might wish to refrain from lynching Ventyl for a few cycles and see if the elims kill them. If they do not [after a time interval we all agree upon, such as 1 or 2 cycles], we may wish to lynch them.

A reads list and a poor summary. This summary is genuinely terrible. I am disappointed in my summarisation skills. I c Matrim: Nothing he's said has really stood out to me. Reiterates no roleclaiming. Null read. Ashbringer: Says that role analysis is more likely to be role indicative than alignment indicative, which I mildly agree with. Null read. The_Truthwatcher: Put out a splendid summarisation that is obviously superior to my own. I don't remember them doing anything else. Null read. TJ Shade: Jumps on Ashbringer's uncertainty about the number of players, which I do not understand. Null read. I don't understand his paranoia, but I do not believe an elim would risk drawing attention for a paranoid theory. Elbereth: Votes TJ, switches to Ventyl, switches to Matrim. I dislike the votehopping, but I think this is simply a matter of differing opinions concerning votes. Null read Striker: Votes on me for a differing opinion concerning roleblocks/redirects. Null read, with a dash of confusion concerning why a person would vote on someone over a dispute of roles. Araris: Randomly votes on Ventyl. I mildly disagree with this, but from what I've gathered, this is Araris's playstyle, so I will leave it alone. Null read. Devotary: Exists, hypothesized Surge/game interaction. Null read. Ventyl: Roleclaims [partially] despite numerous warnings to the contrary. I dislike this, but I'm uncertain as to how this would benefit elim!Ventyl. Slight village read, if only because I cannot envision a universe in which an elim would roleclaim. Assuming Ventyl being truthful about the existence of their role, we have several potential courses of actions. 1. We lynch Ventyl to determine veracity, which is probably a bad idea, though I believe Ventyl is currently the one slated to be lynched. 2. We protect Ventyl from being utterly massacred by the elims, which is doomed to failure because of the limited Stormlight and incapability of protectors to coordinate, and this prevents any information from being gained by their death. 3. We ignore Ventyl, and if they don't die from the elim kill soon, we lynch them then, which is of course suspect to error but does allow for the opportunity not to lynch village!Ventyl. I say we go for options 1 or 3, preferably 3 because I don't suspect Ventyl. Orlok: Doesn't like my pre-game analysis. I don't see how role analysis is affected by alignment. The roles are the roles, regardless of whether one is elim or village. Null read. Sart: Votes Striker for the roleblock/redirect argument and successfully summarizes what I was attempting to argue in two succinct points. Thinks role analysis is AI, which I disagree with. Null read. Mage: Also thinks role analysis is alignment indicative, which I still don't understand. Someone, please explain how that is the case. Null read. Kynedath: Summarised the Matrim/Striker confusion nicely. Null read. Eternum: Votes on Ventyl after stating that they think Ventyl is village. @Eternum, could you please elaborate on your descent into suspicion and paranoia? Null read because of a lack of information, but please respond. Conclusion: Something must be done about Ventyl. As stated above, we can lynch Ventyl now, protect Ventyl, or spare Ventyl and lynch them if they don't die to the kill soon [or just not lynch them at all, but that seems like a poor choice]. I support the third option. I am currently amenable to lynching Striker [The vote on me seems suspect] and perhaps TJ [I don't particularly suspect TJ, but the tunnelling on Ash seems odd]. Also, I have no elim reads and only 1 village read. This is mildly concerning. Maybe I should go reread the thread.

Wrong slash. It has to be a forward slash, like so. [/color]