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With the information we have in the book I think we can all agree that Hoid is indeed a Dawnshard, but I think Jerick is not one yet.

As someone already mentioned, Aronack takes away Ryalla's powers and when he talks to Doruse he asks if he was the one who gave Jerick his powers. That to me implies that Jerick is like Ryalla, that plus the fact that he doesn't show the same interest with Jerick that the one he shows with Hoid makes me think that Jerick is not a dawnshard but that her powers simply come from one

This is not a fact about Chuck Norris but a question. I remember that there is a WoB that says that the members of the bridge four make jokes about Kaladin like the ones we make about Chuck Norris, could someone help me find that WoB?

1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

So the one who is against intervention sends out a dragon who has a very good reason to be angry and is driven by relative powerlessness to action?

Well, considering how advanced the cosmere is and the interaction between entire civilizations, I doubt that Frost's policy of non-intervention makes any sense today.

4 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

We don't know whether she's related to either of the previous albino dragons, do we?

Well, that was the interpretation I gave to the fact that Frost mentions only having known two and what Starling says: "She knew some, unlike her uncle, saw her albinism as a flaw. A sign of misfortune, come from what happened to her parents..."

I interpreted that to mean that Star's parents are the other two albino dragons, but now that you mentioned it it is true that it is not confirmed and it could be that I simply misinterpreted it.

9 hours ago, Dreamwa1ker said:

Though the albinism I'm thinking could be something special related to Fain life being white usually, maybe something about origin of dragons.

I also thought that it could be related to fain life but the way they talk about hers albinism and that Frost, who has been alive since before the shattering, had only seen two before, it seems very strange, and all dragons are fain so If that were the reason it shouldn't be so strange.

I also want to comment that it seems strange to me that both of Star's parents were albinos, so were they related or are they simply two dragons from different families that were born with the same special condition and then became a couple?

One thought that I'm most likely wrong about but I can't get out of my head and I won't give up until it's confirmed that I'm 100% wrong is that Star is related to Hoid, as soon as it was mentioned that she has white hair and I remembered that Brandon said that hoid has dated a dragon was the first thing that came to my mind

On 1/8/2024 at 2:50 PM, Lord Spirit said:

In total I think that his current priority is still the same as at the end of Secret history, to find a way to return to the physical realm and to get his powers back. Kelsier seems like a slightly less dangerous version of taravangien.

That mention you made of Taravangian reminded me of the following WoB that may be interesting for this topic:

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Would Kelsier approve of what Taravangian is doing?

Brandon Sanderson

No. He would not. He would understand it, but he would disapprove.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/122/#e3330

 

 

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33 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Who told you that by the time of RoW Foil studies Aethers on Lumar and not on some other planet? There are multiple Aether planets in Cosmere. He might study Aethers in other places and then he moved to Lumar to study the parasitic strain of Aethers.

 

The fact that Khriss mentions an ocean in which Foil is studying how to control the Aethers and later in the chronology we see Xixis living in an ocean where he studies the Aethers and shows he can control them seems to me to be a clear allusion to Lumar being the place where Foil/Xixis is at the moment that ars arcanum is written.

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42 minutes ago, alder24 said:

In Tress we see him having a great deal of control over Aethers, being able to create his habitat under Aethers spores. When Khriss is writing this (unknown date) Xisis still has not achieved his goal of controlling Aethers, thus he might be unable to settle underneath the seas. This implies that he first needs to accept Khriss' theories, learn how to control Aethers, then move to the Lumar seas, because without control over Aethers, he can't build his palace underneath the spores. Truthfully this is all open to interpretation.

 

Secondly, while it is true that Xixis without control of the Aethers SHOULD not be able to make his palace Khriss specifically says "Foil, deep within his ocean" that to me sounds like he is already installed in Lumar probably not in the same way that we see in Tress but it is on the planet.

But what I wanted to discuss is not how or when Xixis learned to master the Aethers but rather if the Iriali leave Lumar not long after Xixis's arrival and he was already there by the time of Rhythm of war then those iriali cannot be the same as those in Roshar.

55 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I've always been skeptical of the idea of two separate groups of Iriali migrating with the same ideology. There is certainly something going on with their migration and their religion is very specific about it. Having two different groups of Iriali jumping around totally different planets is weird in my opinion, and stretches too much. They all have to attend all seven lands before they will become One again, but there are two different sets of seven? 

In TLM there is mention of Iraili presence on Scadrial, which seems to indicate that Scadrial is one of the Lands on their Long Trail. Would that mean there are 3 groups of Iriali? TLM ch 32:

I'm also not very sure about the idea that there are several Iriali groups but it is the only conclusion I could come to, although your idea that Xixis could be studying the Aethers on another planet before Lumar seems to me to be able to answer my doubts. It doesn't quite add up to me because of the issue I mentioned before, which sounds too similar to Lumar in the ars arcanum, but it does seem like a good answer to me.

Regarding the supposed Iriali of Scadrial, if they really are, it doesn't seem to me that they are a third group because those do fit with the chronology if this is their next land after Roshar.

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1 hour ago, alder24 said:

Admittedly there is very little information on Iriali and Xisis. They aren't important now, they will be in the future. It’s hard to say something for certain right now, all is possible. We’ll have to wait and see, or ask Brandon and find out.

 

Yes, you're right about that, I just wanted to talk about this and see what conclusions other people came to.

With what we know so far about the Iriali (everything published but without advances) it seems to me that either the chronology does not fit in any way or there is more than one group of Iriali in the cosmere and I came to this conclusion because of the group in lumar and its apparent relationship with xixis/foil.

First we know that by the time Tress occurs the Iriali had been gone approximately 300 years ago and that it has some connection with the arrival of Xixis to the planet, the problem with this is that in the ars arcanum of rhythm of war Khriss mentions that the Navani's recent discoveries about anti-investiture can help Foil's research to control the Aether's in their sea and we know that Foil is Xixis, so by the time of SA4 and SA5 Xixis is already in Lumar, therefore the Iriali should have left of the planet recently or about to do so but at the same time they are in Roshar.

So I put this post to say that I believe that the Iriali in Lumar and the Iriali in Roshar are not the same, I would like to see if anyone knows of anything that refutes this theory because I have been thinking about it for a while and I can't think of anything.

On 18/11/2022 at 5:30 PM, Philomath said:

SA5 reading from Dragonsteel 2022

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To paraphrase: Hoid tells Kaladin a quote and says he learned it from one of the greatest men he has learned from then namedrops Sazed. We also know from their letters that they are willing to work together and learn, so I hope Hoid can help Sazed figure this out.

 

@Philomath were can i see that reading of SA5?

@GoWibble I'm new in 17thshard and I don't know how to change the font, so that's a coincidence, but a really funny coincidence 

If moash survive to stormlight 5, he will be murdered by gavinor in the future

Could someone tell me what are the differences between the prose version and the comic version of White Sand?