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But it's using your power. Is Calamity just too strong to copy? This... aaaaaagh. I'll deal with this later. I don't want what's left of the village running off in three/four different directions and honestly I don't care which one we go for. At least not right now. Edit: Also, why even bother redistributing roles? You're an SK. You need to kill people, not make them more powerful... unless you're lying a level deeper.
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@Devotary of Spontaneity, if you're Calamity, you are an Epic. So why didn't Tani's copy work? @_Stick_, if you'd had a standard One-shot Vigilante Kill, would you still have used it on Experience?
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hmm.
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Maybe. I’m going to go take a chill pill, because this is… well, you see the screaming. Plus I’m busy and there’s a nice, soothing, not-at-all-chaotic LG full of Mistborn and RP I can look at instead. You all figure something out.
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I am but a learner of Aman’s teachings I have honestly no clue. Part of the idea is that Mat may have been Neutral. Or E!Stick was pushed as an option because her real role was less powerful than E!Mat’s. Or we were wrong about everything and everyone. If you think Stick’s innocent, you’re still next on my list.
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Secret Neutrals are decently common. …Bah. Illwei Stick Someone killed Aman, so I’m going with Aman logic on this one. Why would that role even exist???
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Why Thaid? Because he shot a Villager? Seriously, what is the upside of that power? If you’re right, and they are an Elim, do you just learn they’re an Elim and no kills? That’s so much worse than just a Kill. Which Thaid claimed first. -.-
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Everyone trusted Experience Everyone wanted to leave Striker alone What even… the what… AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Wha- WHY WHY WOULD YOU EVEN HAVE THAT
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Does your power work a little like Thaid's claim, where if TUA had been an Epic they'd be dead, but they're not? Edit: Orlok, did you get a scan result? Also, I bounced my Gift of Striker. So I have no idea who has it now, if anyone.
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There's too many kills for it to be a normal Arsonist. Either something happened between your kill, Tani's kill, and a redirect, or this isn't a normal Arsonist. Potentially 2x Arsonists. If you have an idea what it is, I'd like to hear it.
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Well. That's fun. Guess Archer was the key to flips. Also, I think this is an Arsonists game. V!Regulars confirmed. We're all going to die. Illwei
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Eh, you can get forever protected Mayors off a standard alignment scan. That's what happened to Penguin. It's just more complicated. And I'm sure there's a way to balance it, I'm just terrified at what that balancing would be. But either way... putting chance into it makes it veeery swingy. I'm still not sure what kayana means This really depends on the Elim kill. This still could be an Arsonist or Conversion game, and Lookouts (or our version of Lookouts) are a decent staple. A powerful staple, but still a staple. And between potentially Striker, Araris, Orlok, potentially Tani and E!Me, and the non-proven, there's a lot of space for an Elim anti-info role. Yeah. That strategy just makes it less likely Archer dying will actually reveal alignments. Idk though. I'm pretty sure at least one Elim has claimed a proven role. No Night Kill or a claimed Night Kill thanks to Devotary, so not really much reason to not claim. I'm probably going to sign off for the night. Try not to... I don't even care how many pages it is anymore. See you all at rollover.
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Well, V!Archer loses the medium power but instead becomes an unrestricted Reviver, assuming V!Archer is telling the truth. Which is powerful enough. I agree E!Archer and N!Striker doesn't really make sense, unless it's solely as a fake claim... but there's some precedent for semi-useless Elim roles (Elim Alignment Scanners). E!Archer and E!Striker... honestly if this is the case, I'd expect Archer to flip something completely different. That's something that I just now realize has been bothering me, which is if an Elim Archer is stopping flips, why have him be the one to claim Medium... I guess there are advantages (ie if he flips Soother, something's wrong, and we can start safely murdering unprovable actions. Er, maybe not 'we', Mr. Vanilla ). Idk. I'm alright with this. I also really can't see a world where a role is passively blocking flips, and Striker's been on point with action submissions.
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Methinks that Striker isn't exactly going to be happy about completely solving the game. I have a... theory, that it's perhaps Striker who's obfuscating writeup flips, but that doesn't make much sense with his Mimic role unless it's some identity-snatching thing. He also didn't vote for Mat C1 unless Rioting went even weirder than we thought. Also for the sake of the chart, there is a Soother somewhere (I couldn't have given someone that to use C1) and despite Illwei lying she couldn't have done the Elim kill on C2. Then again, if anyone did the Elim kill C2 it's Devotary or some semi-fortunate roleblockee.
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Counterpoint: Beagle. ... actually, that's sort of the opposite of Beagle. Counterpoint: Beagle^-1. Idk. But my ability is pretty much the most traceable one we have unless there really is a redirector or I run into Araris again. Although I have half a mind to Gift Striker.
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Too neat for my tastes. Especially because it leaves out some key individuals (namely TUA). One day. Add it to the reasons I'd have liked PMs this game. This feels like LG73. Whenever I want to RP, I do that. Whenever I want to analyze, I end up doing chaos and RP. Whenever I want chaos, I end up analyzing
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I know. I don't mean to. But in pretty much anyone else it would earn my vote. So I tunnel on it. I'm speaking more from past experience (LG69 and LG73) than what I want to do. But you did claim my Gift as a full role. Edit: I'm gonna laugh if Archer Revives you
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Okay, TJ confirmed I can't grant Remove-Alignments-From-Writeup power. Crisis averted.
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Fair enough. I don't know how much I believe in Archer's claim - Evil Medium is a possibility - but yeah. But wheeeeeeeeeeeen!!! Wait a minute... Idk what I mean. But I have reason to suspect you lying about your role, which has the joint effect of making you suspect for lying and tainting my suspicions from Aman-Illwei interactions. But I also know both E! and V! Illwei does things like this sometimes, and I'll tunnel on it regardless. Same, idk. But Village Epics exist. I'm one, you're one, someone's got to be telling the truth or the game would be over before it started.
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... well, we know you didn't try and kill anyone C2, I guess... Just because I'm not as aggressive as Aman doesn't mean I trust you Idk about V!Me + V!Mat. Depends on Mat's specifics, and mine. I don't think I can grant the one-use abilities, assuming they exist. (TJ's said PAFO to some things and no to others.) E!Mat makes some sense, but not with E!Reviver!Archer... Also, important note: I don't know if I'm redirected. Which is a potential issue, but one that I'd rather bring up now than discover it painfully later.
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... oh yeah. In case giant spreadsheet didn't make it obvious, I'm the Gifter Epic. I grant a random ability to a player each cycle. Tried to give on to Aman C2, Araris ate it instead. Now, three interesting things. One, I know some - but not all - of the abilities I can give. One is Protects - Experience's power. One is simply labeled "vote manipulation", which TJ PAFO'd and is apparently a Soothe and not a Riot unless Araris lied about that for some reason, but someone also apparently Soothed. And one is Redirects. Illwei's power. Two, I gave Illwei my first Gift. And Illwei's only claimed to use Redirects C2. Which makes me wonder if she's even a Redirector Epic at all. Three, I can hand out a few other powers. Notably, Roleblocks. Which makes me wonder if one of our two non-claims or three Regulars is actually a Roleblock Epic who either has gotten very lucky while being very silent, or hasn't been trying to stop kills. (Four, TJ directly said no to me being able to give someone the ability to talk to the dead, but I don't think that means much. I haven't gone through every single role claim yet.)
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Does it have anything to do with stealing both living and dead people’s identities?
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Hmm. I doubt there would be a Village role to obscure exe alignment flips. Those are infinitely more useful to the Village than the Elim team, even with Neutrals. IMO there are three options: it's an Elim or Neutral role that's blocking flips permanently, it's an Elim role blocking them temporarily, or it's a game condition not controlled by anyone. A game condition should go away at some point, and it would fit the Events mentioned by TJ. But we as a thread don't know what would cause that. It's possible it's just a cycle progression thing, it's possible X amount of players need to die, anything's possible. It's out of our control. A temporary Elim role, like a Janitor, usually can only "clean" a certain amount of players. It would be the only thing we've seen run on charges, but I don't know how else it would work. If that's the case, we either wait or go action hunting. Which then invariably turns into non-claim-and-inactive-hunting. A permanent Elim role is mostly the same solution, action hunting. Except we can't afford to wait, because what we also don't know is if killing them will flip the alignments we already lost on Mat and Karn. Hence Archer, as the only person who knew alignment flips could be lost before Mat died. I think it's entirely possible Archer's telling the truth. I just don't think its probable, and we're once again in a position where as long as Archer's alive this debate will keep circling. Janitors can be balanced with Mediums, but Mediums get a reputation for not being very helpful in the long run, and that's with full Doc power instead of three yes/no questions. Revivers are strong, but without alignment flips that's hard to swallow. (I do think it's noteworthy that an E!Archer hasn't revived E!Mat.) Actually, you know what, screw it. Illwei, how confident are you that you'll actually flip? And how confident are you in Archer? I'm assuming you'll flip Village, of course. Because we could exe you instead of Archer and let Archer revive you. If you're right, we get to learn a bit more about what causes this alignment flip problem, you get confirmed villager status, and Archer can walk free. If you're wrong... well, that would be a problem. Plus there's the problem of needing to keep Aman from killing Archer for two more cycles. Okay, it's a terrible idea. But it is an idea. One other thing - @StrikerEZ, does your wincon have to do with voting?
