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Are you saying you’re not Jedi? xD No kidding that’s unfair >> Some substantiation would be appreciated but like sheeping Drake is a thing you can do sure That is not within my ability, but even if it was I wouldn’t. v!me who can do that is a Jedi and would target Fifth or Alv because they’re lying, and e!me who can do that would target Fifth or Alv because they’re not :P. But sure I promise, unvote me now
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Because he knows that Fifth, who has already survived multiple exes without Jedi manip, if a Jedi, would definitely not be exed as easy as it might appear? And because his wincon would be to kill the Jedi as fast as possible, and so suspecting someone to be one with good reason would leave no room for just... not? How is not doing the weighing elim indicative? I assumed that the connections I saw were e/e. An elim would not assume such :P. Oh wait I think I get it now xD Yeah I see. You're wrong, you have it backwards, but I understand what you mean finally I didn't mean to imply that I was explaining everything-- sorry if it came out that way, I'm more than aware how loose I'm being with all of this >> Not necessarily, I'm just complaining :P. I think your points lend themselves to be things I can't actually argue against because they're somewhat incorporeal, but that's not your fault. That's ignoring how I said two and guessed two, with 1 being more likely than 3. That's because as a general rule I think 17% is much more likely than 28% (personal opinion there :P) but 2 was my 'guess' so to speak. ...No, but I don't think Devo was like a go to kill for framing Fifth. She equally weighed e!me and e!you with e!Fifth, and the Fifth votes early today had nothing to do with Devo being the kill target. If it was a frame attempt it was a weak one because it only appears to be one, at least to me, after Fifth claimed. The Shining one was different because it caught people's attention before he flipped. I never said that second part; you can case me all you want but don't imply things that make me seem suspicious that I never did :P. Oh, joy >>
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An aside brought to you by paranoia thoughts: Is it possible— possible, not likely— that Fifth and Alv are both Cultists hoping to draw out the real Jedi? I’m not saying we should go there like almost ever but I do want brownie points if that’s what happened :P.
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No, the difference is that I only have the exe and don't have kill access. v!me makes that case, and e!me makes that case and then also NKs probably Fifth since I'd still want to exe Mad for later. But like the possibility that it was Jedi/Jedi legitimately did not cross my mind until Fifth claimed xD There was no judgement or weighing of anything there. Hence my huge case. Which I still think is valid, by the way, and am just trusting Fifth's Desann clears :P. See: Memory and busy schedule >> I could go find the exact things but honestly I don't really want to. Would it make a difference? I don't think so. [bold] That's how a lot of this ends up, isn't it :P. Feels unfair but there you go I wasn't reading the anything-specific rules As I said-- and like, this is an assumption based on me because I don't know exactly what I did, I don't remember because it's not important-- I double checked the rules enough to know that the Jedi can recruit, redirect, manip and the Desann can roleblock, kill, manip, and that there were cultists that didn't do anything except be there, and everything else wasn't important for right then. So no, I didn't see that part. I don't remember what specifically I read dedicatedly. This also falls into the category of something you can't take my word on but we're discussing something that doesn't have evidence either way so is there even a point to my explanation? xD I also don't think my guess was lowball. I think it fit the 25% rule well. Hael wasn't dead for half the game, I am village, JNV... was inactive last cycle. But not the other cycles. What kills are you referencing, anyway? None of them seem especially strategic. I'll take a look tomorrow I guess, it's somehow only 4:30 though it really feels a lot later So maybe tonight we'll see I guess
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Exeing Fifth is something I've been vocal against the entire game, actually, and never intended to do it before flipping Madagascar. And Devo sussed, in equal parts, you and I both, so that point just doesn't work, especially in regards to me. Why would I kill Devo? e!me kills Fifth or Madagascar, because e!me would have viewed the connections in their posts as Jedi-Jedi indicative, knowing full well that they're not e/e. The fact that Devo died instead and that I only saw Fifth/Mads as e/e and not J/J should be v!indicative. To be honest, I thought I had voted. Not going to vote Madagascar now though. I still think she could be a Cultist but I suppose I can trust Fifth's clears enough to vote within the pool. But to answer your question, yesterday was Sunday. It was a day for church and for family, and I could pop in on mobile a few times to see results and ask questions but my focus was nowhere near the game :P. And I mean, saying I've been 'pretty active' this turn is kind of untrue. I did lack the effort to go look, see above Was simpler to ask you. I guess I thought it was implied, here, I'll spell it out-- my initial concern with Bookwyrm was that suspicious things have proven not to be all that e!indicative for Bookwyrm, so I was hesitant to vote him, and the correct implication there is that, like, I saw those suspicious things again. And it's hard for my brain to not see opportunistic unexplained votes as suspicious. I don't think I would have voted there if I had seen the reasoning on the Alv train, but I had missed that, and so I opted for the 'better' train like I did when I voted xino over Fifth. Besides, you should be glad I did. What, you want Alv to have died last turn? >> Don't have faith in my attentiveness to detail xD Ask... I was going to say Kas but he's the GM and probably cannot impartially answer this whatever the case, so ask anyone else I suppose. I have a history of forgetting rules, in every alignment :P. Short term memory is not very good. The fact that I had just reread the rules is irrelevant, as 'reread' in that case was synonymous with 'skimmed' and all I was really looking at was abilities of the Jedi/Desann. Why does asking about the number of Cultists mean I was reading the Cultist-specific rules? I knew they were probably in the game regardless. I get what you're saying but it's a frustrating point to read because you're just... wrong here. And... the elim suggesting kills has to be Desann? What about Hael? He seems like he'd be into that. I feel like JNV and probably Wiz could manage that, as well as Mads, Ash, and yourself. It's so annoying to me that you're apparently cleared from Desann because this is just not a good reason lol Obviously I don't think you're elim with Fifth anymore Your reason after the vote is picking apart probably the weakest of the many points against you I made, which doesn't really work as a case because I think I only mentioned that thing one time in passing afterwards, and never pushed it as the reason to vote you.
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Can I ask how they’re cleared? The only thing I can think of is that you redirected them to themselves and nothing happened, but assuming Hael submitted every kill that doesn’t mean anything since there were two starting Desann. Though I suppose if you didn’t manip D1-2 that also clears whoever you redirected those days, but that should leave someone for D3 at least. Or D4, whichever. I don’t want to burst your bubble but it’d be a pain if the Desann got mistakenly cleared Also, if you feel like you can answer this— how do you feel about dueling? Cause you’re one up on the Desann and it’s be really cool Not me specifically cause that’d be a waste regardless of the result (I think I’d be forced to purposely throw tbh) but it might be worth it. Or not, idk your view on that. I want to take a look at your shortlist but I think out of those I’d most vote Fadran?
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If that’s the only reason you’re voting Fifth, then no. No it won’t :P. Drake, is there like, a reason you’re voting Alv? Cause if that train had any reasoning to begin with I completely missed it.
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Only time to skim and no time to reply, I have church at rollover so this will in all likelihood be my last post-- will reply to things next turn if I can. No clue what the VC is but my preference is still Madagascar, followed by Bookwyrm over Alv. This has less to do with Bookwyrm being sus and more like, Alv feels like a CC and I don't know if I've seen any actual reasons there and that doesn't feel good. Plus, Mad is voting there in opposition of Bookwyrm and that's not nothing to me I guess.
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This is quite the mischaracterization, considering I voted Shining with literally under a minute to rollover. I unvoted Madagascar because I didn't want to kill a returning player D1, I've said that multiple times. Wizard, Drake, and Turtle all did the exact same thing, so why target me with this specifically? What gives them the pass, and not me? The should/should thing is just a me dictation thing, look at any game of mine ever and you'll find it To be fair it's probably more in this game because I'm decently busy right now and so there are more in-game things I want to do, but other things I should do more. Like schoolwork :D. I had to reread this like five times to realize you meant Bookwyrm and not Wyrmhero >> I wasn't quasi-defending Shining-- I actually didn't pick up on that Fadran was accusing Shining specifically, as you can see here. In quoting Fadran I asked who he thought cast the manip, when in retrospect he clearly was saying that he thought Shining did. At the time I'd missed that, but I'm also correcting a point here you said points to v!me so idk xD Didn't stop you from freely e!reading me based on tone earlier in your post :eyes: This whole case is rather hilarious to read from my PoV, because it seems like you're either picking me out specifically from a pile of three plus others doing the same, or you're trying to convince yourself not to read me as village. Like, seriously, at least half the content of your post was 'well, actually I think this is indicative of v!Mat...' It's such an obvious retaliation to my you/Mad e/e theory that I'm questioning the theory altogether
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That’s fair, but it’s more the middle paragraph here than it is the lack of mega reads list, which I definitely understand that isn’t everyone’s jam I think one of the bigger things that made me squint was her saying D2 how she disagreed with the Szeth train, but on D1 there’s no evidence of that. She just let it go through, content to sit on Ventyl. To me that isn’t behavior evident of someone who disagrees with a main train, I’d expect some level of vocal disagreement or voting on the other train or something. So her saying that on D2 felt made-up, a detail pulled from the air to back up whatever point she was making then. And I like diversifying votes as much as the next guy, but I think there’s a point where you need to take a stance I guess I’m kind of counting out Bookwyrm for the moment because of what Devo has mentioned— suspicious things seem to be completely NAI for Bookwyrm. Standard things worthy of a vote have proven typical village behavior for him. And I haven’t really noticed anything abnormal. I guess though that isn’t really an excuse, maybe I can give him another look. What about you, what are your thoughts on him?
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Hey, I don’t control Fadran’s votes Did you… read my case? It’s not like I’m voting based on nothing. I fail to see how it’s ‘weird’ :P. No weirder than the other trains at least, I feel like this read is based on a whole lot more than those Don’t vote alongside me based only on that please >>
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About to take a look at Madagascar, who I'm currently Null+ to slightly village reading. I picked Madagascar because even though that's my read, I can't really explain why, and that's interesting to me. This is all I'm gonna have time for for awhile, unfortunately. D1 D2 D3 In conclusion, this is why we reread Because my baseless v read of Madagascar really doesn't hold up upon further scrutiny. She's avoided discussing and voting the main villager trains, been kinda hypocritical in her condemnations, and had some peculiar linking with Fifth (which is a hard read to make when Fifth is unflipped, but just from this reread I wouldn't be surprised if they were e/e. I'll maybe take a look at Fifth specifically later). Considering both current trains are half contribution crusades, I'm happy to vote Madagascar.
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Would you say he’s potentially e/e with Fifth, because of that distinction? I forget where he was on the Fifth train and if that makes for potential distancing as opposed to a straight bus, which could also be possible but on a train that was as shaky as that, eh. No no I’ve spent the whole game appreciating that I get off break in ~3 minutes so this is all I have time for, I could reply to more rn but instead I just replied to the post closest to the bottom :P. More from me will come tomorrow. I’m less busy but… still busy :P.
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-Less so than if Shining had flipped elim, imo -We didn't get Hael, the Jedi got Hael :P. I take no credit. But the elims can have that IKYK. -This is untrue. More on that later. I'm pretty busy and probably won't get time to sit down and write a good post until tomorrow morning but I can off and on reply until then.
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Ha! Good redirect, whoever you are. Now I don't have to reread Hael and actually make a read on him :P. Or maybe I should anyway, to get an idea on teammates he might have. Shining's flip is... bleh. I felt that his joking at the end was e indicative but maybe I just felt it would be neater. No doubt I can glean conclusions from how he was pushed, who pushed him, etc but I have an essay to write so y'all can start without me.
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Wait are you admitting to being evil Edit: Cause that’d be pretty convenient :P.
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If you’re evil, this is about the most annoying thing you could have said to a guy who hesitantly village reads Fadran xD
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Oh I forgot you were a PHer. I just thought you played the whole game. Sorry about that, that’s not a great first experience:P.
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Fair enough I guess Debates whether that’s enough to want to vote Bookwyrm It’s not, not when I have no guarantee of your alignment, even with your legendary accuracy. Though I suppose the ‘who would you shoot’ question is a different one. Though if Shining is evil your RNG may be on to something.
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Flash reads with no backreading cause I don't have time these days to do more than that: JNV - Null. All I remember is the evil quokkas which I jokingly read as evil :eyes: Ash - I don't really null read Ash, which is new But I've liked most of his posts, the pop-ins of being that voice of reason the thread needs, and don't see why an elim bother with that I guess. Slight village for now. Devo - More quippy than I've seen but that's not AI imo, just enjoyable Didn't Devo vote Shining late last turn, solidifying his exe as far as the non-manipped VC was concerned? That's very interesting, but I don't know in what way because Shining remains unflipped. Null for now I suppose but I've taken note. Drake - I'd say village based off of vibes and solving and all that jazz, but if Shining flips v I'll take a closer look. Tentative villager. Hael - I don't remember anything Hael has posted which should probably worry me more than it does xD And I don't have time to check so you get a Null. Will check back later. Wiz - I can sympathize with Fifth's argument, and I also don't really love how Wiz's counterarguments are essentially 'that's just something I do' which I guess could just be true but my brain wants something more concrete than that :P. Also, e!Shining also is heavily linked here. Lean elim Bookwyrm - I don't know if I agree with Fifth about Bookwyrm's villagery vibes, but I do agree with Devo on that the normally sus things about people don't exactly apply 100% here. Which makes Bookwyrm really hard to read >> Pretty dependant on Shining's flip (at least, a Shining e flip) so I suppose I can tentatively elim read this one. Fifth - Similar to Drake, I like the vibes, but a Shining v flip raises some eyebrows. Drake vibes more village to me but I've played with e!Fifth considerably more than v!Fifth so there's definitely past paranoia fueling that :P. My brain wants to c/p what I put for Drake but I'm putting Null+ instead. That's probably more accurate. Also need to reread here. That all being said, if someone who baselessly is sussing Fifth isn't elim I will... eat something :P. Regardless of Fifth's alignment. Shining - I... don't know. As I've said xD I almost think there's a certain amount of infoflipping to be done here, just cause so many people have talked about him today. And he wasn't a runaway any of the times he was up, which I think is more indicative of e than v at least. I like the solving and all that recently but it's nothing really clearing to me. The Fifth vote still wasn't good. The manip doesn't look good. He should already be flipped, really. I'll say lean elim but it's as much a lean as it is a desire to have Shining's flip to solve with further :P. Madagascar - I... think sliiiiight village but Madagascar is someone I want to reread more than almost anyone else, and someone I feel could be reasonably cased either way. Which is to imply that VC analysis will be my friend here :P. Fadran - I won't die on the hill that this guy's an elim scapegoat, but I still kinda think he is. I still get unaligned vibes despite the questionable votes and random elimmy posts and I guess if you vote him I won't be mad but I won't help either. Would flip Shining first. Hesitant Village. Turtle - Was attacked/survived. Really don't want to theorize what it would take for this to be WGG >> Village until it's absolutely necessary to assume otherwise. Alv - @Alvron come play, we could use some wisdom. Null. I'll vote Shining. I think this exe will tell us a lot either way, and certainly could flip red.
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I guess I’m forced to see that as NAI thought as I once spent a village game only defending myself to the extreme instead of analyzing and it got me killed. So if I were to use that as evidence, it’d be hypocritical.
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...Hello active thread how are you. I'm busy, thanks for asking I was implying... never mind :P. What was different about this vote that made you clarify that, as opposed to every other vote you've cast this game? Your analysis is valid, but it's done in a way that suggests it's option one OR two OR three, and I think it just as easily could be all of them. Like, in the case of elim manip, only one did it, but there are multiple elims and theoretically they weren't all voting on the same train :P. If they were trying to save Shining, that could be interpreted multiple ways and it's not really useful to guess which one is more likely so I think we should try to read Shining on tone/posts more than sheer IKYK analysis, if you know what I mean. You saying this instantly made it feel more scripted idk man >> To suspicious to be suspicious, no. Not really. You might have read like that earlier C2 amidst the chaos but after explaining yourself it sorta seemed like you had just been doing whatever and then were forced to justify it-- and that could go with either alignment. But I wouldn't say you're too sus to be sus. Thank you for this PSA Ash If I had a nickel... ok. Initially was three-eighths pressure, three-eighths a reaction to his uninterested state, two-eighths joke continuation [approximate measurements] but it sort of turned into a Fifth exe protest vote for a minute there and then I ran out of time to consider xino. Shining didn't do himself any favors along the way which solidified it from its stance as two-eighths joke to 'good enough for me'. See but then something like this makes me just want to read Fifth as evil cause like-- I don't know exactly where my read on Shining is, I err on leaning evil, but it really doesn't take that much tinfoil to make him be village and I'm surprised this is your view. So I'm actually with Shining on this one. I like the rest of your case a lot more than the math part because I dislike probability as a subject just in general the last few times I've argued a point based on math, I was evil :P. That's not to say I read you as evil for this though. I'd just rather not base a vote on math and instead do what Ash said and vote by suspicion. You clearly aren't doing that though and your case seems fine to me. I don't see how that's relevant tbh Did anyone's behavior? Votes have to be cast on someone. Fair enough. I myself was also driving for all of Saturday. Nooooo I abhor self voting like this ._. Are you sure you weren't just testing to see if this was a viable kill target? :eyes: Point of order: I wasn't unvoting you because of anything you did, I unvoted you to vote for xino in opposition of the completely baseless Fifth train. Like am I just imagining all the other times I did or did the rest of the thread get collective amnesia I don't understand-- Interesting in what way? Because yes, I do have that faith in you-- but I guess I also think a world where less active e!you, because of IRL circumstances is possible. You'd have opted to vibe, it backfired, you then had to dig yourself out of a hole. As is with many things that world works with v!you too so idk. Oh good Who? Not a rhetorical question, by the way-- genuinely interested to hear what you think. Who was more suspicious, why, etc? I'll do my own reread and see what I think but Drake's right in that analysis from you is more likely to show you're village if you are, than repeated defense would. I remember the specific game I had to learn that. But I'm not dead set on you or anything and if we come up with a different candidate that's fine with me. Yeah you really didn't :P. But this makes sense, I guess. The downside to the strategy is that it also serves to point out said suspicious things. Like, no one would have noticed you were lurking (but your absence was on my mind) but once you pointed it out, negative attention. There's a case to be made here that's like, why would e!you draw that attention? And I guess I'd say, yes, or just that e!you didn't consider that. Idk. Trying out the above strategy, I see ...And that multiquote turned out way longer than intended. Sorry-not-sorry
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...Ok then Someone wanted xino dead. Or Shining alive. Anything you have to say for yourself, @Ookla the Debonair? >> The problem here is that there's no way to tell who manipped (Jedi vs Sith) unless you're a Jedi or a Sith and the two have very different implications. And I doubt the manipper will reveal themselves either way :P. I suppose I really should reread this turn huh. And RP more. But for now I'll restrain myself from snapvoting Shining and go back to my schoolwork.
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I thought you seemed uncharacteristically disengaged (which tbf could just as easily be NAI as it is e!indicative) but also that your voting history wasn’t very good and the reasons you gave I legitimately couldn’t make sense of. I mean, yes, but also the way that other trains still are hanging around makes me want to not take this point at face value. If you had become a runaway train, maybe, but you didn’t. xino and Fifth stayed semi in contention. From our PoVs, this is an invalid point :P. But I think I would be surprised if you three were all evil. That’d be far too convenient. (Nothing to say here but I won’t break your formula) Sure, but he already had a fair bit :P. Similar to him already having pressure, he’d already reacted to votes, hadn’t he? Like, if that was your plan, I could have told you that piling onto the train would only accrue suspicion. This one’s valid ig Do you think that’s indicative of e!Fifth? I mean I guess but yeah we definitely all took it at face value Ok I broke your formula but that’s all I have to say I guess my biggest problem with this train is that, like, you dug your own grave. Which is just bad elim play and I… don’t think you’d do bad elim play tbh. I think the justification at its core comes down to your opportunistic and bandwagony votes and what I felt was unexplained reasons, until now, but now is also sorta too late yknow. Idk how close xino is but guess what I didn’t reread so I feel equally eh about going there and staying here So here I stay, would rather leave as little room for manip as possible.
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xino, Shining. Although the part of me that notices that Shining refuses not to be chill about this doesn’t like it :P.
