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I feel like I should be able to remember that, but I don't. Sorry. How many times a week do you consider stealing candy from a baby?

Nah, that's an awful idea. If we do that, then they might deny us entry once we pass 18. I'm only a few months away from that! Why would we... Wait a second. This is a GREAT idea!

Granted. Your bane is that your new favorite characters are Dilaf, Amaram, Sadeas, Straff Venture, and Moash. I wish for A and F-copper.

Then di decided to eat da duo of pancakes and waffles once again. oV of course orated against this obviously odious objective, opting to honorably abstain from doing so.

Meanwhile, dioV had decided to eat pancakes and waffles at the same time.

Nameless of course couldn't hear any of it, as his eardrums had burst.

But he didn't need those anyways, so he didn't really care.

They just didn't make any sound that they could hear.

But silver holes didn't eat anything but sound, so no one could hear anyone screaming.

And then it imploded.

Right up until it hit the moon.

This would work without the need for different metals. If a mistborn is skilled enough, they can push on different parts of objects.

But the anvil did.

Then Void split in half, forming dioV and Void. One of them liked pancakes, and the other waffles.

No. He was worse off when Moash talked to him. He might not have wanted to give up at that point, but his nightmares, his constant exhaustion, everything about him besides his desire to keep going was worse. Now here comes Moash, the perfect person with the perfect knowledge to utterly destroy that desire. To convince Kaladin that it's better to jump into the chasm than to try and save people who are already dead. Well, considering the way that the books went....

Actually, Kaladin is only unsure about what he's going to do until Dalinar offers him a job as his bodyguard, agrees to put him in charge of a battalion of former bridgemen, pay the bridgemen as a normal lighteyed honorguard would (triple standard soldier's pay), let Kaladin train them with full requisition rights, make his own command structure, and put them on patrol duty for the next year. After which he just about immediately accepted, as just about any sane person would. His men will be safer and happier as bodyguards that don't have to go into battle, are in high-ranking social positions as opposed to being seen as deserters, and get paid incredibly large amounts of money to stand around watching people. No one else both knows Kaladin well enough and is malicious enough to want to convince him to commit suicide. What would Kaladin have done if Syl told him that jumping into Honor's chasm was the best choice? That... just means he's currently doing better (He has seasonal depression, and this is just after a victory where everyone survived fine) and that he's just going to continue trying to soldier on. Not that he's actually going to try to get help, which he desperately needs, but that he's going to continue pretending that he doesn't need help. I'm not an author, and that was just an example. Maybe you could give Adolin radiant powers early in the book. Maybe he and Maya skipped oaths because of their pre-un-deadeying bond. Or maybe killing Adolin off would be a bad way to introduce tension. I really don't want this to turn into Marvel/Dragon Ball. "Oh no, its a new villian! Watch as they kill some random characters no one cares about" "Oh no, it's a new villian! This one's really bad, he beat two main characters and killed one of them! Oh no, how will the main character beat him? Whatever shall they do?" If anything, seeing Ishar getting killed by El, considering how much he got hyped up by beating five windrunners at once, would be better. Especially if El claimed Ishar's honorblade and used it to utterly wreck Kal and Szeth.

Yeah he was. Until he had an option that was 100x better. Go from an uncertain fate, with the options of either starting up a mercenary group, becoming bandits, or splitting up to try and hide amongst normal society, to one of the safest jobs for soldiers, with guaranteed pay, a commander who has shown his willingness to sacrifice greatly to keep you alive, free equipment, and the chance to train your men in ideal conditions. Who in their right mind would give that up to walk away into the wilderness so that Sadeas could send soldiers out to hunt them down and kill them. It's not like Kaladin completely abandoned the idea either. I believe that during a conversation with Moash, Kaladin brought up leaving as an option, but said that it would be better if they left with all the bridgemen, as a trained army a thousand strong. 1. So a book series doesn't matter, and you have to do all the development in one book in order for it to matter? We had a rehashing of Kaladin's problems in the beginning. We saw what Sigzil almost dying did to him. 2. Getting better? When was Kaladin getting better in OB? Was it when he first froze on the battlefield? When he obsessively pushed the group on a mission to save Dalinar? Or was it when he completely failed to swear the fourth ideal? At no point in that book did Kaladin do anything more to address his issues than say "I'm fine" and continue to try to soldier on, ignoring it as best he could. His development in OB was basically: 1. Love triangles are stupid, Shallan and Adolin are a good couple, I don't love Shallan. (Thank you Brandon) 2. Ignoring depression and battle shock is stupid and only works until it doesn't. When it doesn't, and you're on the battlefield, you'll get people killed because of your inability to save them. 3. Amaram is dead now. Yay. This changes nothing about the long-lasting trauma he inflicted on me, but at least we don't have to worry about him causing anyone else long-lasting trauma. 4. I can't swear the fourth ideal, because I don't see purpose in life if I can't protect everyone. Why would Adolin need to swear oaths? We don't know what a bond with a deadeye looks like, but RoW really looked to me like Adolin and Maya had deepened their bond to each other, without Adolin swearing an oath. Besides that, this was just an example. My point is that killing Kaladin solely for the sake of showing that characters are not invincible is bad writing. Again, we had this argument before, and I disagree. That's the whole point of our bet.

Rithmatist. I don't have the patience to do anything really cool with forgery. WYR be killed by a shade or be turned into a kolloss?

Right. So some of the characters get closure in the first half, except for those who are going to have their own character arcs. And we get to see some of the characters who aren't the focus anymore after they got closure. That's a bonus, not a problem.

Alright. Why can't the characters get closure in the new series? honestly having another series will probably help Brandon bring closure to surviving characters.

He was eating pancakes and waffles at the same time.

He was planning on taking the best option available to him. You think that he could have gone up to Dalinar and asked for a job as his bodyguard? As a slave from Sadeas' warcamp? So Sigzil almost dying was no build up? Kaladin freezing when Elhokar died? The Honor's Chasm scene in tWoK didn't show that Kaladin couldn't bear losing people? How about the part of tWoK where Kaladin literally gave up on the bridgemen, deciding that since they were all going to die, it was better to just give up and let it happen, because that way at least he wouldn't hurt as much? The entire series has built up that Kaladin can barely function when he loses people. Kaladin just saw Sigzil nearly die. And then Moash comes along and tells Kaladin what he knows, deep down, to be true: He can't protect everyone. They will all die, in the end. And if you can't protect the people you care about, then why keep living? Why try, if in trying all you do is cause more pain to yourself? So there's no loss in your eyes. You want him to die because the alternative is worse, in your opinion. In your eyes, Kaladin's purpose would be fulfilled by dying. Am I wrong? That's the impression that I get from your arguments so far. And Brandon can't write complicated things? the man wrote three books of Mat Cauthon. Right. After all that philosophical debate with Dalinar. After attaining the power of a god, after Brandon killed Rayse specifically because he got defeated too often, and Brandon finds an ideological clash to be better than a simple fight against evil: (Spoiled for length and also Mistborn spoilers) I definitely agree that Kaladin becoming an immortal worldhopper is almost certainly off the table, as much as I would love for it to happen. I don't think characters need to die in order for them to get closure. Look at Lord of the Rings. Main characters survive the story and go on to live lives that are in keeping with their character, and they get the closure that they deserve.

but narrators had destroyed waffles too. It was the only way to get the narrators who liked pancakes to agree to destroy them.

I don't agree with this. I can't think of any choice that Kaladin has made that felt out of character to me. Staying at the shattered plains, where he could have a nice, cushy job that would keep his men relatively safe, pay them well, and allow him to train them under ideal circumstances was infinitely better, considering his character, than it would be to leave the shattered plains so that he could... what? take his men and become mercenaries? get "mistaken" for bandits by Sadeas' soldiers and killed? abandon his men, his responsibility and leave them to protect themselves, so that he can go off on his own? return to Hearthstone? What life was there for him, in his eyes, other than the life of a soldier? Again, I disagree. in tWoK, we saw bad stuff happen to Kaladin, but we are also told about his depression. We are told that Kaladin thinks it would be best to kill himself in Honor's chasm. Kaladin tells Syl that he thinks his cause is hopeless. in RoW, we start out by seeing what Kaladin has been going through. We see the pain it causes him when Sigzil nearly dies. Then Moash appears, and he tells us Kaladin's deepest fear. He tells Kaladin that everyone will die, that one day he won't get so lucky and Sigzil will die. All of them will. And we see how much Kaladin is affected by that. Then we see Kaladin have a group supporting him in his family, in Teft, in Adolin, In Shallan, in Syl, only to have all of that taken away. Adolin and Shallan leave. Teft falls unconscious. Lirin basically tells Kaladin that he hates him. Syl starts struggling with the same thing that Kaladin is. We are told the effects of this on Kaladin. Then Teft wakes up. they make a plan. Kaladin thinks that maybe he can get lucky again, that no one he loves will die, that he'll be able to protect all of them. Then Teft dies. Kaladin's reaction is not melodrama. It's him deciding that Moash was right. he can't protect Teft, he can't protect anyone. They'll all die. I thought you were arguing that Kaladin's arc was fulfilled? That him retiring and doing surgery would be boring? So give him stormlight. Have Shallan release Ba-Ado-Mishram, reviving Maya, who suddenly has a bond with Adolin. He uses his incredible skills along with his new powers to have an awesome moment, then die. Or maybe give him powers but make him lose anyways, getting killed by El, Ishar, or Moash, realizing that in the end, even with his new powers, he wasn't good enough. That Dalinar was right, and he should have become a windrunner, because maybe then he'd be worth something. I would bet you a hundred plates of hemalurgic cookies that the Contest of Champions will not be a "Dalinar curbstomp". If it was going to be that, then Rayse would have lived until the end of KoW, because the entire point of killing him off was because he was not enough of a threatening villian anymore due to all the times he was beaten. Dalinar might "win" the contest, but make no mistake, TOdium is going to win the next book. There would be no point in replacing Rayse if Taravangian was just going to lose immediately anyways.

Narrators hated pancakes.