Frustration

Singers would not be abke to interbreed with humans without investiture making it possible. Basicaly the spiritual realm just greenlights it, and allows it to happen. However, their heartbeat is like humans But it won't be the same rhythm, the listeners used the Rhythm of Peace to track time for the reason that it was consistant. We have yet to see any evidence that anyone can't

@Ookla the Mystic I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

So if two or more Characters that have two or more non-interleude PoV's in KoW die, he wins, if not I win

Unacceptable, conversaion time Milk first or cerial first?

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this thread, you have made alternative reasons for Different sized conjoined gems, seem if not plausible, possible. I still find the proposed solutions unsatisfactory, but there is nothing left to do but wait and see.

The CR is bound by space, the SR is not. Which realm do Conjoined fabrials operate under?

You still have to cross multiple planets. Take ours for example, 24,000 miles to get to another world. Also it's pretty difficult to get there, especially when you want to bring a lot of stuff. I have a WoB and SotD 2

Spren change, functions do not. Empty space in the CR will not exist even when people think about it and have a greater understanding of it.

Even so, your far behind even earth that way. Perception is a spiritual attribute, and time doesn't exist in the SR

Considering it's the first thing Raboniel did I have to disagree. Towers 1/36 the size of Roshar? You might be able to get nationwide flights, maybe, but it will still put them far behind other worlds. But those will always be limited to the elite, never becoming widespread enough for everyone to use.

Perception, why do spanreeds work at different latitudes despite ambiently moving at different speeds? It seems stationary so it acts like it is, a gem five times as large is moved so it seems like the smaller one should have five times the force, so it does. For unlimited powered flight and the realitivly easy way to have infinate energy, I think it's worth it. That really creates issues when you need to move a lot of people to a lot of different desitations. How will Roshar build an airline industry if there is one spot on the continent that has the height necesary to make international flights possible?

Bad comparison, it's not a gear box, or even a gear, it's a single gem. It goes from being a non-automatic to automatic by using the power of a shard of Adonalsium to cause a multiplication effect to occur. Let's say it is, use of a cage to moderate expression strength will fix the issue. And then you have to bring them back to the top and start all over again, you can't build commercial airlines that way, you can't build a spacefaring civilization that way.

Given that they fade almost instantly I would doubt it. On a mechanics standpoint, if it's one object it should disperse, not take half and transfer it over. No it wouldn't, build a machine to generate force, connect a third gem and syphon off exsess, if structural integrety becomes an issue use strengthening fabrials. While it would be an improvement ,that deserves more the treatment isolating planes of motion got, shoved into a side story and mentioned in passing, not as a major plot point.

hm, that is a good point, I will have to consider. It makes no sense for such a lackluster improvement to fabrials to require such a buildup, and require something as rare as raysium. Why would it send half of it's force, rather than force simply moving across? Might I point out that Voidlight is on it's own far more efficiant than Stormlight The comparitive snails pace that such machines would move at?

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We're going to have to disagree on that one If it's one object it will only be affected by gravity once. No, you feel like you are moving both spanreeds, you'd feel both gems. If your refering to the multiplication, you would still feel it, you move both, the smaller one simply acts like it got more. I disagree, even the greatest minds can get things wrong, especially when something new happens. this again assumes that they are two objects. And why is the smaller gem easier to move if it gives half its energy to the larger gem? The larger one requires more, so thereby you would need to put 10 times the amount of effort in to move a gem five times the size. Making the smaller one harder to move. I could say the same for you system, only force multiplication is more useful in the mean time.

Why would they be different? Total mass, Small gem 5 grams Big gem 10, moving either one will feel like 15. MB So you have a pair of gems, moving one moves the other, they have the inertia of the combined gems, now one of the spren is moved to a gem 5 times smaller, under your model moving the larger gem just became five times harder, where did that inertia come from? Invesiture is recycled

The force would come from the same place heat does from heating Fabrials, either directly from the stormlight provided, or drawn from the SR. Yes, but it's not like the place where you put your hand is like, ok, now half the force I have and give it to the rest of the door, it's transfered along the chemical bonds, or forced into other things the same way your hand does. I think your holding too firmly to classical mechanics, spren and spanreeds in particular are based off of quantum mechanics, and for quantum entanglement to work we have to assume the entangled particles are part of one wavefunction. Einstien himself was wrong on certain points. Esspecially when it came to quantum mechanics. So where is the additional inertia coming from? Stormlight comes in, is used and returns to the highstorm to be used again. That's like making a car, that takes the exauhst and the heat and turns it back into gas.

Sooo, um, I made an edit. Because it's not 5 times force into an object 1/5 the size, it's five times the force unto the same object. Once conjoined the gems are for all intents and purposes the same object, any force I apply to one is applyed to the other, not because it's transfered, but because it's the same object. Think Quantum entanglemnet. The difference is that when I apply force to one gem, the force that the other gem feels is multiplied by their size difference. It's not apply two newtons to the table, and one will get moved to the other table, it's apply two newtons, and the smaller "half" will act like it got five, while the larger "half" acts like it got one newton. No matter how far appart the two "halves" happen to be. Does that make any sense at all or am I speaking Physics textbook? Navani thinks it will be conserved I've thought about this quite a lot and it doesn't make sense. So moving the bigger gem is harder than moving the smaller one, and the smaller one goes further, and we must conserve force. The only way I can think to explain how that works is that somehow there is a resistance mechagnism that will store the force applied to the bigger gem, and then release it into the smaller one. The question then becomes, how? and on what scale does it start? Is it any movemnet at all, meaning that you have to give the larger gem several times the energy needed to move it before it actually moves? And why does that deserve a reveal more dramatic than that of isolating planes of motion, and require more difficult to obtain materials? Put it in the highstorm.

If it acts like one object why is there a transfer of force? Force division. If I push on the smaller gem with X newtons the larger one receives X/5 newtons

Ok lets do it this way So, If conjoined gems behave like a single object, yet when one spren is moved to a smaller gem, that gem moves farther rather than reducing the amount of energy needed to move the gem as a whole. So there are only two ways this can work, either force is multiplied, changing the speed, or the speed alone changes. Now lets assume you are right that speed alone is changed, how? Conjoined gems behave like a single object, so they have one mass. So if force is the same, and mass is the same speed must remain constant as well. Therefore without force multiplication the different speeds of the gems are impossible.