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May I point out whom Brandon takes as your group to observe: Not people holding a Dawnshard, but people having held a Dawnshard. I would liken Dawnshards to Shards. The change happens when you take it up, but you become a sliver only when giving it up.

@Firesong asked whether the thing in Canticle's core had so much Investiture that it is turning it into gravity. Considering this I think we have evidence it has so much Investiture that it is slowing down time Sigzil wondered how the Night Brigade got there so quickly. Answer: They didn't. His time had been running more slowly. Sigzil wondered why somebody would travel with an outdated book. Answer: He wasn't. When he arrived, to him the book was current. Outside Canticle time just passed so much faster that it has become outdated.

Short of moving the planet I see no way of telling those effects apart.

Is there any doubt about her bond being with Yelig-nar?

Aluminium has a clearing effect. It removes foreign Investiture. Exactly for that reason it kills only allomantic metals, as they are connected to Preservation respectively Harmony, while it did not destroy Vin's earring. It just seems to do nothing on Scadrial because they know nothing this would be relevant for. If, for example, Kaladin glued you to a wall, burning aluminium would free you. But that does not tell us, what a metal or an alloy is. It is not the element, because clay, which is to a large extent aluminium in terms of atoms, does nothing in terms of arcane effects. We have to conclude that it is the crystal lattice that makes the difference. That is the reason duraluminium is another metal in terms of the metallic arts, while the alloy of aluminium and, presumably, scandium, the Set made guns out of, acted like aluminium.

I am afraid the Torment is a consequence of the loss of the Dawnshard, not applying while holding it. Otherwise the Dawnshard could not have been used as a weapon to kill Adonalsium. So she is not undergoing a Torment so far.

Go back from Gagarin's flight by 80 years and you end up in 1881.

There is something inside Canticle. The Investiture has to go somewhere and it must be very, very dense. It would be very odd if the sun and that core are unrelated. And it is still there, yet there is no perpendicularity. Now Canticle is too small to be shaped the way it is without the mass at its core. It is also far too small to hold its air without that mass. So you either have to assume that it was created artificially after the Shattering with its core or it is old and something primordial is storing up Investiture inside it.

I am afraid that is a mischaracterization of the Skybreaker view. They find the Parshendi cause just, yet Odium commands them, so that is the consequence of that fact. The point here is that whatever happened in relation to the contest of champions may have drastically changed that.

I need to point out that we never aimed for that goal. If we did, we could ramp up our warhead production to increase stockpiles into the millions and go back to the big monster bombs of the late 50es and 60es and fit them with cobalt jackets. We do have the potential capability to render a planet uninhabitable. Yes. The Cosmere seems to be in a kind of Cold War coupled with age of sail imperialism in the future. No, it is not random. If it were he'd long since drowned or frozen to death in some planet's equivalent of Antarctica. However it is not controllable either. If it were, we wouldn't have seen Hoid actually travel through the Cognitive Realm.

Why is that remarkable? We can do it, unless you mean physically obliterating the celestial body. Sigzil most likely meant it in the sense of rendering the world uninhabitable and killing most people. A few large asteroids or a few thousand big nuclear warheads will do that. What we have seen in The Lost Metal makes the development of weapons of mass destruction inevitable. The Cosmere inevitably contains individuals of extreme power. Consider what a prepared army of Elantrians who have broken the region lock could do. It would probably be inappropriate to quote Mao here, but the Cosmere is just not set up in the way that nation states become the sole interstellar actors.

They find them by celestial navigation. After leaving them exposed in an environment full of frenzied geological activity and after passage through a gigantic storm they are supposed to find them again. This will not work in all cases. Some of them will end up inside a mountain for example. I would go out on a limb and state that the chorus is based on Threnodite technology. They do not have the population density to conduct fundamental research. Yes, they can build more containment vessels. Up to a point. They need to transport them. That takes sunhearts. And, secondly, you have to assume that the process gathering the new shades works very well. If it has a significant leakage rate, there will be trouble.

Well, no. You have shown that it is artificial. But by that logic a Shard would have made Roshar. That is not the case.

Unfortunately that is not right. Sunhearts will be lost due to recharging them. Sunhearts will be destroyed or lost in accidents. And eventually they'll want to build new ships. They'll burn fewer people, but burn they will. Small consolation. The first generation knew that, but still felt a need to send people into the Sun. The much worse possibility is that the containment vessels will fail if they have to hold too many shades.

I am sorry, but they did not. Yes, them being Threnodites their ancestors fled from the Homeland to another continent. But they fled their planet for ideological reasons. I am sorry, but Zellion is the Cosmere version of Jim Jones.

Can it refer to the Heralds? Or people bearing Dawnshards?

I am afraid somebody needs to say it. Canticle needed a tyrant. The tyrant they had was a man whose morals were beyond questionable. Yet he was basically right. What future did the people of Canticle have? Stagnate on a miserable world, while sending their relatives into the Sun and, eventually, themselves? They needed to unite to start any form of research to get away from that world. That would not happen on a voluntary basis. And do you really want the Scadrians to pick a tyrant for another people?

I have to point out that this is related to the relative chronology. If you take Tress of the Emerald Sea to predate Sunlit Man Nomad's minimum age is just short of 400.

Hoid, whether you like him or not, has reasonable reasons, for what he does. Now, people may disagree on whether they are a sufficient justification for his actions, but it is clear that they objectively exist. Zellion, why? Because he did not like the politics of his home world? And that is a reason to lead your people into exile? We are not even touching upon intentionally dropping your people onto a world where children will have to approve of sacrificing their parents. Even Straff Venture had better reason than that man.

And an interesting choice of metals. If I wanted to construct an awakened AI from a metalmind, the first I'd consider would be copper or zinc. Is this because a steelmind is a necessary part of the FTL drive and they need to awaken it anyway, so why not use it also as an AI?

A criminal madman, fanatic and coward. He intentionally led his people onto a world without a future. Somebody should have shot him.

Somebody has to do the part of Jasnah Kholin and ask the brutal questions. I let the chorus speak: Can you just dismiss that? They were Threnodites and understood their own kind. They presumably did the math. In other words: Has Nomad doomed Canticle with his humanity? Will they all die in a plague of shades in a few decades?

They would have saved him if they knew he was out there. He may have been a messenger. We do not know whether the Cosmere has an artificial ansible. Sending people through Shadesmar may be an option.

That and that a Thaylen carried around a book that says that dead Shardblades materialize if the Shardbearer has been killed. In fact, all of Roshar has only about 150 or so blades. Yet, it is credible if a random Rosharan shows up that he has a dead blade? Yes, random farmers may be unlikely to do a trip off world at that time. Still this suggests to me that the number of Deadeyes has risen. Maybe somebody gathered them in Shadesmar? Yes. Nomad claimed to have traveled through the Cognitive Realm. Spren are no longer bound to their home system. And that applies to all spren, deadeye or not.

He knows about arcana, engineering rocket engines, cooling requirements in space ships, nuclear reactors, ... That assumes that Roshar made an incredible leap in technology or that he stayed on Roshar for decades after getting the Dawnshard.