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So the head of the Bondsmiths (by default) is telling the head of the Windrunners (by seniority) to give up command. If you see Dalinar as Kaladin's superior officer, this is well and as it should be. Yet that is by far not the only way to see it. We have eight orders of Knights Radiant among the Knights Radiant. Two of them are bound to Danilar Kholin by some sort of relationship. What about the rest? I doubt Jasnah or Malata or the Stump or Lift would simply take orders from Dalinar. How does this work?

Well, no. They are made from a salt of calcium, which is an isolator. As Wax tells us, an alloy is a differen material. So for determining what is a metal nuclear physics is inappropriate. We need to look at chemistry and crystallography. Primer cubes suggest that a living mind is not absolutely necessary. But the Spren is not destroyed. And the Spren determines most of the effect of the fabrial. What exactly destroys the metal? Is it really the allomancy? I am afraid not. The metal is also destroyed when you compound, which technically means doing feruchemy just with an alternate power source. Hence the destruction is a result of drawing the power, not the efffect. It looks to me like the human with a modified spiritweb replaces the spren. That makes me suspect that the Metallic Arts are a modification of something more basic, that you see in fabrials and which shows itself in metal looking like souls in Scadrial's CR and Ruin being unable to read what is written on metal. That also explains why there are metals like silver that show an arcane effect, but are useless in allomancy. Preservation just did not hook them up to the power supply.

People, you agree to much in these podcasts. We need some controversy.

That leads to the big question why aluminium acts the way it acts. The great thought experiment would be whether your own aluminium metalmind still stops your rioting or soothing. We just have no observational data. That is the way hemalurgy in general works. The problem with assuming that an uncharged spike would do that is that (cosmere) Stealing is a specialised, basic use case of hemalurgy. Spook recommended limiting yourself to it, as you'd screw up the advanced parts anyway, but in theory you can use it to rewrite spirit webs in quite arbitrary a way. It is only logical that it contains a way to purge parts of a spiritweb.

Yes, but the attribute you want to transfer is "being Kelsier" or "having Kelsier's mind". Usually you'd want to extract that from Kelsier. That, however, will not work conventionally. Kelsier is too heartless. Duraluminium seems to take somebody's Connection to something Brandon on spiking Connection (spoilers for Sel) Maybe you'd be able to use Connection to connect yourself to a Cognitive Shadow. But who'd do that? And if you wanted to transfer the ability to do that, you'd use gold.

Well, are we talking about hemalurgy in the conventional sense? You cannot make a Kelsier-spike the conventional route. He has no heart to stab him through anymore.

Since when? We are talking about the chronologically oldest tale.

The possibility exists, or a story can be plausibly made up, that Rashek provided such a weapon for mankind (well, the Scadrians) in case of his death, as he had provided the caves and the stores for that possibility. And he was surely of the opinion that his demise was a cause for extended mourning, wailing and gnashing of teeth. I suppose that we are seeing the world of ash only through the eyes of rebels. Some people must have liked him. (Threnody)

Now that I think about that, that conclusion can hardly be reconciled with the timing. If Warbreaker is indeed after The Final Empire then the first Returned showed up after the Recreance. In other words, unless you want to propose the unlikely alternative that Warbreaker (was he already using the alias Vasher?) met a Skybreaker, then Nightblood must be modelled after a dead Shardblade.

Thus raising the question what Honorspren not in Blade form do when they show themselves selectively. Unless you want to propose that they create two different, yet blending forms of reality, you but with telepathy do you explain that? Do spren show on photographic plates?

The Seons have telepathy among themselves. How else could they transmit a conversation over hundreds of kilometers in real time? Not Sja-Anat's messenger bird. It is at least two steps directly removed from Odium. It may seem that people speak without thinking, but I am afraid that is physiologically impossible. I cannot recall Nightblood ever reacting to any sound his bearer did not hear or utter. I could not give evidence for Nightblood being able to conventionally hear at all.

A mere passive acceptance is not enough. You must be able to give orders sacrificing some of your men. You went on to make the point. I think this is a difference about language. Correct but incomplete. Remember the battle in the palace of Kholinar. Kaladin was unable to kill Singers he knew. Now, in some sense this is actually what his oaths demand. A troop of half-trained Singers against a Knight Radiant with a Shardblade need protection. And even if he hated them, them fighting for their freedom is right. Again true but incomplete. You also need to value the goals of the organization over the lives of the enemy or innocent bystanders. I know that this may seem to be trivial to many, but we saw Kaladin having major troubles with that. Yes, so Kaladin is struggling with simple failure leading to losses killing enemies fighting for a morally justified cause sacrifing a few to save the many (A Windrunner would never put it that way. Maybe an Elsecaller or Skybreaker would. - Windrunners will say something like I will accept that my men endanger themselves to protect people they must protect) The first struggle that is written so often about in this thread is entirely internal and frankly just means accepting that even a Windrunner is not omnipotent. I am afraid this cannot be the base of an oath common to all Windrunners. So the 4th and 5th oath look like they are based on the latter two principles. As Kaladin broke down as he faced his Singer friends I would say that the order I gave is the order in the actual oaths. Of course Windrunners won't something as crass as "I will kill the enemy however noble or justified their cause be". Probably something like: I accept that whoever takes up arms against me, my people or those I must protect deserves no protection.

If you take this to the logical conclusion he would need to separate people willing to kill each other. Hence he would need to emulate Taln and let himself be tortured to uphold a new oathpact keeping the Fused on Braize. In the short run he may very well train Windrunners in field surgery. But frankly that way indeed lies stagnation. That observation seems correct and unavoidable to me.

Unwilling may fit it better. Kaladin's problem is not that he would be too weak. He is uncertain whether the 4th oath is desirable in the sense of being ethically acceptable.

Chasmfinds are not fabrials. Shallan and Kaladin observed their spren outside the chasmfiends. The same deal with skyeels. Greatshells have gem hearts to store Stormlight. They use a predecessor of the Nahel Bond. Neither are Singers likely to be fabrials. They'd lose their forms without Stormlight. This seems not to be the case. They put Identity into aluminium. We have no idea whether Identity consists out of Investiture. You kill somebody with it. Then you pierce somebody at the right spot and they lose powers. A waste, but theoretically interesting.

Well, no. Navani's weight is not trivial. She will still fall down. The capsule will fall forward. The resulting combined direction is in between. That means that the capsule will have to be lashed slightly upward and forward. That means that the control surfaces will constantly need to change pitch. Yes, that is the difference. Yet you will find that wings work better as speed increases. Getting a winged capsule under control unless you understand the physics of aerodynamics is extremely hard.

Bloodmakers can recover from mortal head wounds. That is pretty much established. For Shardblades we do lack final evidence. No. Even Miles could be killed. While a mortal wound is survivable, it still takes time. During that time the feruchemist is out of action. So you just leave the Blade in for as long as it takes. I really doubt you could lash an allomancer who has chromium to the ground for more than a few moments. Fullborn are for practical purposes demigods. We are going quite some part of the way in that direction.

That is almost exactly what Miles Hundredlives demonstrated. That man survived setting off a stick of dynamite on his body. Well, yes. But it does not demonstrate that you need a mind. In fact you can burn pewter while unconcious and feruchemical bronze requires that you be asleep to store the attribute. That very much suggest that you need Intent to start burning, tapping or filling, but once that's done, the process will go on until you stop it intentionally or run out of fuel.

General healing by Stormlight is inferior to Progression, which can heal that. Gold can apparently heal a bullet to the head. We lack direct data, but the idea that gold is better than Stormlight cannot be ruled out. If the Blade materializes at just the wrong time and unexpectedly, you are still dead.

The scouring postdates the Recreance considerably. Urithiru was given up after The Sibling began failing. That predate the Recreance.

And that is the issue. You are proposing one name for two different things.

Yes, but what would be the point of using somebody in Envoyform, if they could use Connection themselves? They constantly use interpreters. That points to them speaking a foreign language the good, old way: They have learned it.

Then why do they use Venli to translate?

It still would be a plural reference, not a singular. Table of pronouns of the third person: nominative er sie es sie accusatve ihn sie es sie dative ihm ihr ihm ihnen genitive seiner ihrer seiner ihrer As you can see the form "ihnen" is unique. It is a dative plural. You can also see that quite some forms are identical. So these forms are ambiguous. Somebody could do a table like this for Polish (technically you'd need three - Polish is a Slavic language and thus has kept the long and short pronouns and innovated prepositional forms) And you'd find ambiguities in them, too. But the ambiguities are different. So we can use multiple languages to find common forms and reduce ambiguity. The most interesting language would now be actually Serbian, as its plural forms are unambiguously plural. EDIT: Arabian or Hebrew would also help, as they have gendered verbs. So far we can be sure that The Sibling is refered to as singular and plural. English is in a rather unique position of having retained gender only in pronouns.

Larger structures for a purpose for which they usually use fins? The Alethi use arrows. Navani is not in zero-g. So only the capsule is lashed, not the cargo. Needing added lift to offset that is logical in principle. The problem is that the lift generated depends on speed and angle-of-attack. Consequently control issues arise. It looks to me like the Alethi do know about aerodynamic lift, but it is a shallow theoretical understanding.