Meg

Yes, you convinced me. I think I've been a bit over-hasty. @Observer I'm sorry, I don't understand the part between the brackets. :(/>

Just a request: I thought the term "Shardbearer" means either having a Shardplate or a Shardblade or both. Your posting implies that Shardbearers only mean having a Shardblade ("My reasoning for this is that a shardblade is linked to a specific person until they die or give it up."). But then Sadeas would lie about him experiencing the Thrill. It's in the same vision I mentioned above (first when healing "Heb" and his family the female Shardbearer didn't wear a helm but later infight she did; and after the fight, when Dalinar looked at the male Shardbearer he wondered where his helm was gone.) Again, I hope my posting is understandable.

I thought only to see the future was heresy, not visions generally. So may be the people of Vorin nations think about visions = visions of the future because of their past (Hierocracy). But visions do not necessary show the future as seen in Dalinar's visions: he's shown the past to take lessons from his visions. And so his visions are no heresy, I think. But if the Parshendi's hearts (you mean the "real hearts" here, not the gemhearts?) would be infused, wouldn't this be vital to them or at least wouldn't loosing this Stormlight make them weak or less combative? I didn't see them dieing, weakening or getting less combative in the fight, when Kaladin and Bridge Four stayed behind and joined battle after Sadeas left Dalinar alone. And if the Parshendi "have" gemhearts as part of their body and are infused with Stormlight, why do the male fighters need to put gemhearts in their beards? The Parshendi "stopped fighting" and said something but they didn't abandon fight. In general -- call me naive -- I don't see honorable behavior in the Parshendi. In the first place I don't see something honorable in assassination. And I'm pretty sure the Parshendi are the orderer of Szeth for killing Gavilar. While reading through this thread I wavered about this, but then I'd asked myself why the Parshendi should fight this war if they didn't cause for it. Why not try to convince Elhokar that they did not order the assassination of his father? Only because of the gemhearts? I can't believe that. And at last: I think that the Parshendi are part of the Voidbringers but (actually) not the Parshmen. If Jasnah expects being the Parshmen Voidbringers, why return to the Shattered Plains (when I remember right, this is her intention after revealing her theory) and not share her wisdom with Dalinar via Spanreed (or even give him a hint) while trying to tell or at least warn Taravangian that there is a potential endangerment all around? (okay, have to admit that there may be reasons not to do this)

Hello, first I have a plea: Go easy on me. For one thing that my English is not very good and for the other thing that I have problems to concentrate (and therefor I'm bad in quoting and may be I missed that my thoughts are already written somewhere). I found your forum and read a little through it. Not all threads, sorry. And I began to read The Way of Kings for the third time. I bought the English book, though as above mentioned, I'm not native English speaking. I've read this thread and understood that some of you take the line that the Thrill is directly linked to Shardbearers. When I got you right, you mean that the Thrill only appears while Shardbearing. In my humble opinion that's not the case. When I read Part Two, Chapter 19 (Starfalls) again I came across this: and a few passages later: (there are my italics; the quotes are found in the paperback edition of Tor Fantasy, June 2011, pages 362 and 363) Dalinar's visions show him the past. But in this vision he's not a Shardbearer neither a warrior. His own Thrill came up in this fights and therefor I'm sure, the Thrill is not linked to Shardbearing. Besides I don't think that Kaladin isn't experiencing the Thrill. As somebody wrote, Kaladin faces a battle from another perspective as Dalinar. But how describing his "furios" fighting if not as "Thrill"? Second thing is: He's a darkeyes who -- how should I describe it? -- is by "birth" and definition not experiencing the "Thrill". It's rather consequential in the book not to describe his "fury" as "Thrill". On the other side: if "The Way of Kings" (I mean the book in the book) is right and sometimes before the darkeyes have been the "upper class", why should Kaladin not have the "Thrill"? I hope my posting is understandable.