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Hey RAFO! From the looks of the article, Jofwu’s gone through and changed the wording, thanks for bringing it up! Both chapters five and six are now being referenced - there’s probably something in chapter five that’s also relevant to the sentence. There are definitely times though that incorrect reference are added - generally just a typo. It’s pretty easy to mess up the references by accident (I know that I’ve referenced the wrong book series entirely before.... whoops). If you come across any mistakes like this, as Karger said, feel free to edit the page yourself - we keep track of new changes so will see what comes through. A lot of the White Sand articles haven’t had much love due to the GN format being harder to search through and the series being less popular (though I know Jof is trying to right this wrong), so any help that can be provided for these articles is always deeply appreciated. I’ve seen a few of your videos and imagine they must require quite a bit of research - we would love your help with anything you come across that is missing or incorrect on Coppermind articles. Also just as a heads up - double posting is discouraged on the forums. If you could please edit your original post in future, if you have extra info to add, that would be great.

Can you please provide the link to the page? We’ve looked at the history of the current Windrunner page and cannot see the changes you’re talking about.

Is it on Arcanum for the specific event you went to in January? It might already be there if it was part of the event that was recorded, but might be worth checking just in case! If it’s not on Arcanum then I suggest adding it there so it’s recorded somewhere! Speculation is used sparingly, but does sometime get added to pages if it has some sort of basis and adds something useful to the page. If there is speculation that you think would enhance a page then please come and discuss it in the Discord server for the Coppermind. In this case, the Order of the Windrunner page already has information pertaining to what the fourth ideal might be based on content in Oathbringer. What was it you wanted to add? I’m having trouble finding the changes you’re referring to on the above page. If it was a proposal for the direct wording of the Oath then yes this will be removed.

Blessings I'm not sold on the idea that Hemalurgy works the same way on humans and kandra. This is based on the following thoughts; There is something different about the creation of Blessings that that has hindered the creation of different types (besides those currently known). Blessings are not directly interchangeable without some (though seemingly minor) interference. In humans, Hemalurgic spikes degrade the mind leading to insanity, whereas in kandra, Blessings grant sapience. As well as this, I think the Blessing of Awareness and a tin Hemalurgic spike would not produce the same results. The way that I've interpreted this table is that a tin spike would steal all senses, however, which sense the recipient gains is dependent on which bind point the spike is placed in. The Blessing of Awareness, however, grants an overall increase to senses, similar to Allomantic tin. I see Hemalurgic tin as working the same way as Feruchemical tin - enhancement occurs to each sense separately. Atium I also had a thought on what 'must be refined' might be referring to in the table, but it hinges on several... contentious assumptions. Assumption 1: the table was created after the Catacendre/Sazed becoming Harmony Assumption 2: atium is the lost metal Brandon has said in the past that atium no longer exists and that it also does not regenerate because because Ati no longer exists. However, I could see it being that atium no longer regenerates in the form it once took (aka its pure form found in the geodes), and instead is generated as some sort of compound. This compound could be distilled, however, to give atium, hence why it needs to be refined before it can be used in Hemalurgy. To me, this would also satisfy Brandon's insistence that atium no longer exists, because this compound would not be considered atium. I don't necessarily think that this compound though is harmonium (it could be, but I'm not saying that it is). (I know very little about geology and probably used those terms wrong... ah sorry).

That would make sense, I had assumed it was because I’ve never done anything under that account before and it was some sort of anti-spam measure.

Youtube doesn't want to show my comment properly for some reasons so I'm going to post this here as well. CW: Blood, Decomposition process, Bodily Functions Re. This wob: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/361-skyward-pre-release-ama/#e11334 I’m not a doctor, but can give some more information about potentially storing hemalurgic spikes in a corpse. I would estimate that you would have, comfortably four-eight hours, to a maximum of twelve hours (though you would really be pushing it), before the blood is no longer viable to store hemalurgic spikes. When the human body dies and the heart stops beating, blood will cease flowing and settle towards the bottom of the body, in a process known as livor mortis. The settling of blood cells is what gives the skin of corpses a blue/purple tinge, as the red blood cells are drawn away as they are no longer resisting the pull of gravity. Livor mortis begins immediately, with signs being visible from as early as twenty minutes after death. Lividity will become obvious between two-four hours and peaks between eight and twelve hours, at which time the blood has fully settled and will become ‘fixed’, no longer moving at all if the body is manipulated. Cells will also begin to break down immediately after death, as the body stops taking in oxygen and the blood stops distributing oxygen, which leads to an increase in carbon dioxide, causing autolysis or self induced cell death. Hydrogen sulfide (H2S), produced in the abdomen, will react with haemoglobin to form sulfhaemaglobin, leading to the green hue seen beneath the skin of corpses, creating mosaic like patterns that are referred to as marbling. By the point of fixed lividity the blood will be largely unusable, and will appear gluggy in composition. Despite the breakdown of cells and the settling of blood after death, it does remain viable to be used up until a certain point. The exact point, however, is hard to pin down and there’s only so many creative ways I could think of to ask one of my colleagues about the stability of blood in corpses. However, successful transfusions have been performed from cadavers over the last 100 years by both Russian and American medical professionals. In the 1920s, Russian doctor, Sergei Yudin advised that blood from a cadaver could be considered usable up to six hours in warm weather and eight in cold. Less than a decade later, American scientists Dr. Donald Farmer and Dr. Leonard Charpier transfused an estimated 35 patients with blood taken from four hour old cadavers. So based on previous experimentation within this area, you could avoid hemalurgic decay by using relatively fresh corpses, though anywhere after eight hours post death would run the risk of loss of power. However, there are a *lot* of factors that would affect this time frame including, but not limited to, ambient temperature, humidity, and exposure of the corpse to the air. Cause of death would also play a factor - if your friendly neighbourhood Inquisitor has severely maimed you and you die from massive blood loss then you’ll hardly make a good incubator for those spikes, unless they’re really desperate. They’ll also want to keep in mind the movement of blood as it settles and place the spikes on the lower side of the body so the blood pools on top of them, instead of draining away due to gravity.

Jebus, your Taln fan girl is showing But, wow. Way to give us hope then take it away D:

In the ebook, Sadeas' men are listed as wearing red instead of green in the scene where Adolin intervenes in the marketplace. My paperback copy (UK edition) doesn't have this error though, just my ebook. TWoK Chapter 46

The timing surrounding Taln's reappearance has never sat well with me. He turns up on Roshar just in time for the Listeners to discover Stormform, bring the Everstorm and start a Desolation, but their decisions and choices are made irrespective of his return. I might be misremembering, but they don't know of his return and despite what happens, they're not deliberately trying to bring back their gods. I mean, it may be possible that Venli only discovered Stormform after Taln's return (or if she was influenced/nudged into the discovery, it only started after that point), but, also, maybe not. And the way that Taln speaks is as if they have at least some time to prepare - to learn how to cast metal and train leaders and soldiers - yet there's only around two months between Taln's return to Roshar and the Everstorm, which just doesn't seem to be enough time. I like this theory, it solves the things that currently bother me. But with that being said, this is heartbreaking @Calderis D:

I am excited to buy one of these. What better way to start my leather bound collection than will the last book in the trilogy? Perfect logic.

My favourite ship <3

I'm pretty firmly in the 'Vax is a planet' camp from the mentions we've had of it so far, but if turned out that Vax was a person then I agree with your thinking.

I agree with you here - I also think that each worlds CR would look distinctive, but there are some overlapping features between Roshar and Scadrial. They both have the inverse solid/not solid ground with the physical realm, though this manifest's different on each world, and they both have the weird sun. There might be other things but those are the two I remember off the top of my head. I was very deliberately being vague with my wording on how he knew he was in the CR in my original post. I think that in this case you would be able to tell that you're in the CR, but you might not know which world you're currently on until you're eaten by a giant worm To be honest, if it wasn't for the 'Vax' line then I would firmly believe that Ati was too out of it to notice anything substantive. But the 'Vax' line obviously throws a spanner in that thought.

Listening to last week's Shardcast I had a pretty baseless theory on Vax. Theory: Vax is a planet* where a majority or at least large number of humans live in the Cognitive Realm. In Secret History, Ati, while confused, made a comment about Vax, which I believe is because he saw humans and also recognised that he was in the CR, leading him to assume he was probably on Vax because that's where you would expect to find people hanging out in the CR. So a similar concept to Silverlight, except not entirely based in the Cognitive, and on a distinct planet** *I'm taking Vax to be a planet as a base assumption, which it may or may not be (and Brandon has neither confirmed or denied), but is kind of integral to this entire theory. **I am unsure whether or not this is a contentious point or not but I don't believe Silverlight corresponds to a planet based on this WOB. Poke, prod and spike away!

That is such a wholesome answer @Toaster Retribution

Nah, @Juanaton he definitely gave it to her. They might have left it behind but I doubt it.

There's the theory that they're the two spren associated with the surge of transportation, so an Inkspren and Lightspren

But have you considered Moash x Kaladin? Because that definitely already exists... Frantically shoves age difference between Jasnah and Shallan in a closet to hide from @CrazyRioter

Hmm, I disagree that if Gavilar had Sja-Anat then he gave her to Eshonai. If he did, then surely the Alethi would have seen more corrupted spren on the Shattered Plains during the entire war? Szeth was also given a sphere as well. If Gavilar found Sja-anat, I'm more inclined to agree with OP that she was stuck in Kholinar. Depends on what you think the purpose of him giving the sphere to her was for. I don't think he was giving her something to try and bring back her gods, I think he gave it to her as a reminder of the power that the Listeners were denying themselves. But the corrupted spren that we see in Kholinar are still recognisable as what they once were, where as it's never mentioned that the stormspren look the same (but corrupted) as windspren and Syl notices them several times before the Everstorm but never says anything about them being similar to windspren. Though I have no answer to your question about how they had enough stormspren.

I'm thinking Dawnshards Though I think that whatever was behind it did more than just shatter the plains - it destroyed whatever was protecting Stormseat from the storms. All the structures are now buried in crem and the entire area exposed so there must have been something that protected it.

I read this the other day when you first posted but didn't have a chance to respond to it. It's a cool theory though I don't necessarily agree with it. The one thing that does jump at to me though; From the way he speaks, it seems clear to me that Gavilar Kholin has seen the Everstorm. In the visions shown to us that Dalinar has seen, the Everstorm is not directly present in any of them. Honor mentions it, but we never see its effect on the world or the parshmen. The complete destruction of the world, yes, but not the Everstorm. Even when Dalinar goes outside the boundaries of the vision, all he sees is the light representing Odium, and the Champion with Nine Shadows. I came across this accidentally in my reread but the Stormfather did have the capacity to show the Everstorm to people. Between this and what White Leeopard pointed out above about Dalinar's visions referencing the Everstorm makes me think that Gavilar wasn't seeing the future. Which now has me slightly alarmed as to why the Stormfather is showing people things that had not yet happened. I think that he learned about BAM and the capture of the parshmen (though I don't think it's ever stated that he knew it was BAM, just that it was a 'crucial spren') through one means and the Everstorm through another and came to the conclusion that the storm could reverse what could be done.

I agree with this but would take it slightly further. I assumed that the gates were sealed because of the decisions made by the other cities. If the Radiant's were abandoning Urithiru then there would be no one to regulate passage and trade and having a working Oathgate just creates a security risk for the other Oathgate cities. The gate to the Shattered Plains was left open by the Radiant's because there was no city left to demand it be closed.

Neat idea! I’ll keep an eye out and have a think.

A friend recently finished WoA and while talking to her I was reminded of another big beef I have - Elend not actually dying at the Well. I like Elend. I would have been devastated if he died. But it was set up that there was this huge choice that needed to be made by Vin and she chose to release the power instead of saving him. But despite her making this choice she doesn't lose him because last minute he is saved. This irks me.

I don't think Moash will become a Bondsmith simply for the fact that his character up till now doesn't fit the Oaths that we have heard for the Order. Sure, there's some discrepancies between Oaths depending on the person but they're all based around the same theme and I can't see Moash as fitting with what we've seen so far for the Bondsmiths. I don't really have a preference for his character arc at the moment as for most of OB, except when he tore out a part of me by killing Elholkar, I just didn't really find him interesting. I could see him going either way, but for now would be happy enough just to get more info on the Singers and the Fused (which presumably we will through Moash's storyline)