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Just now, Saffron Iguana said:
put heron 1 below train lead. see what happens vote wise.
How about one vote above
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Magenta Albatross
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2 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:
4 on Heron, 3 on Vulture. @Pearl Chameleon and @Coral Swan either of y'all willing to switch votes?
No.
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1 minute ago, Mint Heron said:
Do you mind recapping it as I've missed it?
Sure:
1 minute ago, Mint Heron said:Do you mind recapping it as I've missed it?
Okay:
1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:Kangaroo for science ig
Science here
1 hour ago, Saffron Iguana said:I’ll science I can’t claim to be able to redact it
Sage Kangaroo
edit: this is to say idk if I’ll be on at eod to switch. Take this as more pressure kangaroo. Towntell.
Science here as well
1 hour ago, Opal Lion said:Sage Kangaroo
I don't understand how people are still comfortable with the Heron train with how little resistance it's gotten.
It's possible that they are teamed with Pearl and this is some sort of attempt to get heat off of them, since they did claim when heron was at 3 and they were only at 1. Still, you have to think Pearl is an Elim to be voting on Heron right now.
Something that sounds like a whole lot of blabbing.
Science (2) : Saffron Iguana, Ostrich
Some nonsense (1) : Lion
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2 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:
What's the reasoning for voting kanga?
Literally proven by science
The freelanders were right. Science is a scam.
17 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:Ah. Missed that. Still a little weird, especially if the Soother was presumably testing their coppercloud… hmm.
Any opinion on Elephant?
They need to post more?
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3 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:
Uhm. Hi? I'm back. Looks like I might be dying. It's alright I guess, as I'm roleless so better that then a village role. Elim would be better tho. I've been working off and on on a Cham analysis. Might as well post what I have this far.
Okay here we go.
Time to do some deep dives into some players. First up is chameleon.
Day 1:
Greetings
Elephant Votes Vulture
Lion Votes Rhino
Meerkat Votes Falcon
Zebra Votes Elephant
Mouse Votes Meerkat
Lion Votes Mouse
Rhino Votes Meerkat
Falcon Votes Meerkat
Dragonfly Votes Scorpion
Scorpion Votes Mouse
Scorpion Votes Rhino
Vulture Votes Chameleon
Penguin Votes Weasel
Beagle Votes Rhino
Albatross Votes Falcon
Mouse Votes Weasel
Hyena Votes Falcon
Scorpion Votes Hyena
Elephant Votes Scorpion
Ooh a reads list from Cham. Vl: amythyst scorpion, Emerald falcon. N+ azure moose, amber vulture. N: salmon Meerkat, charcoal hyena. N- Plum rhino, ivory dragonfly, sapphire elephant. It's the fourth page of D1, so not surprising that there are no Elim reads.
Beagle Unvotes Rhino
Cham votes Dragonfly. This matches their reads list, as far as I can tell the reasoning is that dragonfly was voting scorpion. Not sure exactly why they were defending scorp. Also states that mouse and falcon should be killed solely for playstyle (which I agree with). This was the first vote on dragonfly.
Iguana votes Chameleon
Falcon Unvotes Meerkat
Cham asks for VC
Vulture Unvotes Chameleon
Iguana Votes Falcon
Cham changes vote to Elephant, claiming voting should be going towards less active players, tho does pose the counter argument that more active players yield more info upon death. (I don't feel that this is necessarily alignment indicative, but I feel like elims are generally at least somewhat active, so only killing inactives isn't really helping the village out). This was a second vote on elephant (the first was by zebra).
Cham claims their dragonfly vote was because they were lurking earlier. I'm not sure why they didn't mention this when they first vote dragonfly… he then claims that he unvoted dragonfly in order to make a counterwagon on someone he found null/sus. Basically switched from one null/sus read to another.
Cham clarifies something about their cosmetic role
Mouse Votes Elephant
Lists falcon, meerkat, and rhino as most suspicious. This moves two people from the higher village side of their previous reads list down to most suspicious and keeps his current vote there as well. I'm curious as to why dragonfly and rhino aren't on this list as they were also the lowest on his previous reads list.
Dragonfly Votes Elephant
Now this is where things start to get interesting. Iguana questions why falcon was changed from vil read to sus and what changed. Chams response: “nothing really”. Nothing changed, and somehow falcon and meerkat just magically switched from being vil reads to sus reads. Gives reasons for the reads that seem noncommittal. Very swigny with opinions not looking great.
Cham responding to a mouse meme.
Zebra Unvotes Elephant
Cham RP
Heron Votes Beagle
Meerkat Unvotes Falcon
Scorpion Votes Iguana
Albatross Unvotes Falcon
Swan Votes Meerkat
Flamingo Votes Hyena
Dingo Votes Iguana
Hyena Votes Dingo
Meerkat Votes Swan
Vulture Votes Dragonfly
Falcon Votes Dragonfly
Greetings from Cham. I'm slightly confused why.
Iguana Votes Heron
Cham agrees when Falcon has a bad feeling about the elephant vote by dragonfly. i don't understand this as Cham is currently voting elephant.
Cham encourages swan to vote someone they suspect or someone that isn't active when swan Votes Meerkat. (Possible e-e meerkat and Cham?)
Scorpion Votes Dragonfly
Kangaroo Votes Swan
Rhino Unvotes Meerkat
Mouse Votes Penguin
Beagle Votes Hyena
Scorpion Votes Hyena
Cham says read list soon
Updated Reads list! Let's see if it matches with their claims of reads beforehand.
[VR: Azure Mouse, Amethyst Scorpion, Emerald Falcon. VL: Amber Vulture, Coral Swan. N+: Oxblood Beagle, Magenta Albatross, Salmon Meerkat, Sage Kangaroo, Opal Lion, Melon Dingo, Mint Heron. N: Quartz Zebra, Plum Rhino, Cream Tuatara, Fuchsia Ostrich, Mauve Crocodile. (N-): Charcoal Hyena, Chartreuse Penguin, Onyx Flamingo, Ivory Dragonfly. SL: Saffron Iguana, Sapphire Elephant.]
Okay so Elephant Makes sense to be lowest, as that is where Chams current vote still resides. Makes sense that Meerkat is somewhat higher as Cham seemed to defend them earlier. BUT. But earlier Meerkat was one of the three that Cham was sus of so it's interesting to see that change. Dragonfly is still relatively low on the list which matches. Rhino is now neutral, so he's somehow moved up from being suspicious when he (Rhino) has only posted once or maybe twice since then. Now this is interesting. Look where Falcon is. Back at the very top of the reads list. Not sure why they went top to bottom to top like that. Other changes to note: Hyena moved slightly down.
Asked to give reasons on certain reads. During same post asks if dragonfly looks like e!lurker or v!lurker. Interesting question ig. Anyhow. Reasons for Falcon being higher include: memes actually have substance, elims wouldn't demand that much attention (tho I disagree with this one, especially as the memery was likely decided before the game began) and another ‘big’ reason that Cham wont say in thread. Reason for Heron is they don't remember but have positive vibes. Same for Hyena except Cham feels they are holding back. Not sure what that means. I'll just paste his reasons for iguana: “Amethyst noted some continuity errors, and I agree. Your Chameleon vote felt also a bit strange as well, and the amount of backtracking you do is not making me feel any better. Again, vibes also are leaning me towards "trying to throw an anchor into the thread for my Elim team," but the reason why I haven't voted you is simply because it will be more beneficial to let you cook, persay, because if you are an elim, we have more content to analyze, and if you're village, it's going to be more prevalent.” not sure why Cham refers to themselves in the third person. Also I think stating the reason for not voting is a bit odd. Also note that Iguanas vote at this point was on myself, not Cham.
Penguin Votes Dragonfly
Iguana Votes Tuaratura (or however u fricken spell that)
Tuatara Votes Iguana
Albatross Votes Flamingo
Chameleon votes Dragonfly for lurking.
Dragonfly posts massive reads list.
Chameleon switches vote back to elephant. Claims he village reads dragonfly for their reads post.
Falcon Votes Penguin
Cham votes Penguin for lurking and avoiding meaningful conversation. That's fair. He then says “Sapphire Elephant is okay... For now”. Not sure why he said that? Does it mean they're safe from his vote, or that cham doesn't find them suspicious?
Cham reads swan as village. Matches reads list.
Flamingo Votes Penguin
Chameleon votes Flamingo, who was lower down on reads list.
Iguana Votes Flamingo (this honestly makes me think e-e Cham and iguana)
Iguana Votes Tuaratura
Ostrich Votes Dragonfly
Dragonfly Died, village mistborn. Flamingo was Chams vote.
Night 1
Cham says if ostrich is elim, penguin likely is as well. Believes there isn't that much vote manip. Encourages coinshot to kill Penguin, Elephant, or Hyena. This matches previous reads list.
Cham is okay with an Ostrich shot. Ostrich is right in the middle of his previous reads list, so meh.
Cham asking ostrich about their dragonfly vote. Pending reads list.
Claims elephant was a poke vote. Pending reads list.
Asks beagle why they think Cham is elim.
New reads list (yay!)
[VR: Amethyst Scorpion, Azure Mouse, Emerald Falcon. VL: Oxblood Beagle, Chartreuse Penguin, Amber Vulture, Fuchsia Ostrich. N+: Opal Lion, Salmon Meerkat Sage Kangaroo. N: Quartz Zebra, Cream Tuatara, Mauve Crocodile. (N-): plum rhino, Saffron Iguana, Onyx Flamingo, Hyena. SL: Sapphire Elephant]
Let's see how it matches since claims from previous reads list. Hyena and elephant match, but penguin is high up when Cham wanted them to be coinshot killed? (This could point to e-e Cham penguin). Flamingo is lower down, matching his vote. Note that swan is not on the list. Previously was village read. Dragonfly also appears to be missing. Other then that, nothing notable I can find.
About 10 or less posts later, Cham now thinks Ostrich and Penguin are both village. Matches reads list.
Cham asks for Zebras read on them.
Something about orlok
Cham doesn't know about tuatara bot claims dingo isn't a problem until later game. Dingo wasn't on his reads list, but tuatara was listed as neutral.
Something about smoker ability
Valcon died, vanillager.
Day 2
No coinshot, lost of vote manip (?) Why this what?
Zebra Votes Ostrich
Cham Votes Flamingo
Complaining about no coinshot.
Scorpion Votes Hyena
Zebra Votes Penguin
Beagle Vo
tes Meerkat
Mouse Votes Hyena
Heron Votes Scorpion
Lion Votes Heron
Cham tells iguana they aren't obv town.
Uhm. I'm not sure about Cham. They seem to be moving their reads around quite a bit over short periods of time which does feel elimy. But there's not really other things I found on that end.
I don't get the flam votes? Idk. I'd be willing to vote Cham ig in self pres. I'm also willing to vote Vulture or Iguana if people want to go there.
I encourage you to read this entire day first, then vote me for any of the ten reasons the others provide.
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4 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:
Amber Vulture 1 Amethyst Scorpion 7 Chartreuse Penguin 2 Coral Swan 3 Cream Tuatara 0 Fuschia Ostrich 2 Indigo Weasel 0 Magenta Albtross 0 Mauve Crocodile 0 Melon Dingo 0 Mint Heron 0 Onyx Flamingo 0 Oxblood Beagle 5 Pearl Chameleon 2 Plum Rhinoceros 0 Quartz Zebra 1 Saffron Iguana 3 Sage Kangaroo 0 Salmon Meerkat 5 Sapphire Elephant 0 Not posts, but votes. Since posts would take me too long.
Elephant, Kangaroo, Flamingo, Heron, Melon, Alb, Mauve, Weasel, Tuatara.
That's A whole HALF the game that is not playing. Why are we fighting about who here right now is an Elim. There's only 10 of us talking really. It's technically possible though not for sure ofc that there are 0-1 elims even talking today.
Technically I believe Kangaroo, Heron, and I think Alb talked today. Once maybe.
read above
Let them get filter killed. Sounds fun. Might do it myself, actually.
Just now, Chartreuse Penguin said:Fair point.
From that list, Sapphire Elephant I think is an interesting push. They had up to 3 votes D1, and if Chameleon is Village then they essentially only had Villagers vote on them.
Alternatively, Coral Swan claimed Smoker and then had their vote canceled. Which means they either actively decided to turn their Coppercloud off for D1, or they're not actually a Smoker.
@Magenta Albatross, got a vote for us?
They turned their copper cloud off, as has been said before.
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10 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:
Confused now because you claim thug, and uh, you won't die.
Man I got no clue who pearl is but if I wasn't playing this game I'd think they were me rn fr
EDIT:
wait....hmmmm.....I see....
no wait i don't
5/3 2 hours before eod.
What if all these are villagers
I just want to leave
6 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:If the point was to get NK'd, why spend so many posts declaring me an Elim? And why break from the gambit? There weren't really that many votes on you, and to be perfectly honest I might have bailed as soon as I saw Scorpion and Meerkat just up and decide to follow me.
Yes, there is no Seeker. I think (I hope) everyone's on the same page of that by now. Just the way you phrased things after you claimed Thug and claimed no Seeker... I don't know why you asked if anyone could prove a Seeker existed.
I think I'm on the opinion that this was a poorly-executed but probably Village gambit. Where that goes from here, I don't know. But probably not here.
NGL I think this is the other reason I can't ID Chameleon...
@Quartz Zebra - just asking, can you confirm that your Mistborn contact is not either Chameleon or Heron?
Because you are an elim? You reacted to the gambit as if you were an Elim? What else?
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1 minute ago, Opal Lion said:
[2] Well if you haven't noticed, you're not dying today. Don't know if you noticed the VC.
and
[1] You're tilted and not reading my post or my vote. Am I voting you? am I voting Heron? Who am I voting? Where do you see my reads? What posts do you see me making?
My point is, I'd rather die today than be double Exe'd and singlehandedly cost another village loss.
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15 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:
Sage Kangaroo
I don't understand how people are still comfortable with the Heron train with how little resistance it's gotten.
It's possible that they are teamed with Pearl and this is some sort of attempt to get heat off of them, since they did claim when heron was at 3 and they were only at 1. Still, you have to think Pearl is an Elim to be voting on Heron right now.
You're ignoring the evidence and cherry picking. I had told other people I was going to fakeclaim long before heron needed defending. Again, Scorpion can vouch for that, as with the fifty other people who mouse told about the gambit.
Again, look at the swan post and tell me that I'm the only person defending heron.
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10 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:
Sage Kangaroo
I don't understand how people are still comfortable with the Heron train with how little resistance it's gotten.
It's possible that they are teamed with Pearl and this is some sort of attempt to get heat off of them, since they did claim when heron was at 3 and they were only at 1. Still, you have to think Pearl is an Elim to be voting on Heron right now.
Of course, because I would fakeclaim:
-being scanned
-a seeker of dubious alignment
-being a mistborn
-self protecting N1
In order to protect someone else, who I could've bussed or someone who I could've deflected the suspicion to.
No one is thinking logically in this game.
Just now, Opal Lion said:Try moving your vote, just try it, it'll make you feel better
I'm not moving my vote. I'd rather just be done with this game and leave.
59 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:Alright, while I still think that there’s something to be gleaned from the day 2 votes, I’m going to unvote Scorpion because it seems like Chameleon cannibalized the entire thread by lying, and set things up so that we wouldn’t want to vote for them. But that reasoning is based on claims that we have no backing for.
I read some of Heron’s recent posts and I don’t really know what people find suspicious. Was there something from D1 that I missed?
Scorpion, Zebra, and Iguana all knew I was a thug before this gambit even happened, as I have said before. You claim I have no backing to my own claims. That is strictly false.
And look at the second paragraph! Someone else doesn't find mint Heron elimmy! I'm so glad this was posted right after!
54 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:Chameleon
Heron
Besides Chameleon, no one's really tried to detract from Heron's exe, which makes me a little nervous. But I'm not sure where else to go.
Does no one even read the thread?
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2 hours ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:
4. If the objective was to get the elims to hit you, why did you just ruin that objective by outing yourself?
6. I would like reasons on all of these.
8. My answer is because either you want to draw out the real MB (presumably the one who shot Vulture) or just as cover for yourself but tbh this whole convoluted thing is probably my main reason I would v read you.
Why in your mind is the only way you’re evil if you’re not a Thug and did indeed get scanned that makes no sense??? Like, yes I vouch that you had this plan, but that doesn’t mean I trust you.
I don’t necessarily agree that two village thugs doesn’t make sense though. If there’s a third I’d be far more suspect.
Like. On one hand I think you claiming thug openly is clearly elimmy because no optimal villager would do that but on the other I get the feeling that you aren’t playing optimally regardless of anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ as evidenced by your freaking self vote can you stop doing that like actually >>
also @Pearl Chameleon Beagle was asking why you shot down Falcon’s PM scheme idea D1 but were so quick to do this.
Like I have no clue who I end up on today but I can’t shake the feeling Cham will will just flip v and vulture would flip v and idk what to do I might just flip a coin
WHY does meerkat tow the twtbaw line so perfectly
mouse come baaaaaaaaaack
Heron
4. Dude. It's. My. Role.
I don't care what you think about it
The gambit was half trashed anyways, and I don't see a reason for the village to ML me twice and lose should I hold on to this god Forsaken gambit
6. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from this whole ordeal, but I can confidentially say that Lion is village, mainly due to their line of questioning and the interaction they had with penguin. Again, I've listed out before why I think penguin is the elim, and since no one seems to care, I will not be wasting my time listing them again.
8. I already know the real mistborn who shot vulture, and if I wanted to find out, I would've claimed that I shot vulture and waited for the counterclaim.
How is claiming thug inherently evil? I can claim whatever I want, mainly because it's my role and not yours. Like, what would you have wanted me to do instead? If I'm a villager, I'm going to try to avoid being Exe'd. If I'm a Elim, I'm going to try and avoid being Exe'd. Claiming thug is strictly to avoid a double village ml. Like, how is any of that ai? Your line of reasoning just doesn't make sense.
1 hour ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:I knew it was a gambit the whole time because Cham claimed Thug to me (+Mouse and Falcon) N1. So I stand by it entirely.
My issue with Cham is that they are undeniably playing anti-village, but for them that’s entirely NAI.
If you seriously think I'm genuinely gamethrowing, contact the IM or something. It's not my problem.
1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:Chameleon has self-voted at least once and their vibes align fairly well with a specific player in recent games
I'm not doing the storming MR67 philosophy about whether or not I would self vote if Elim. Mainly because I DON'T CARE
1 hour ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:I know you knew, I'm just more curious if that post was meant to be in context of assisting the gambit (ie playing up your suspicions to see if anyone else took the bait of a Cham exe) vs just being suspicious. Which I think this answers but just double checking.
And I'll echo Iguana that playing anti-village is... not great imo. Especially when it's an Anon game and I have entirely no clue who Chameleon is. Trying to figure out if I'm still E!Reading them.
Amethyst Scorpion voting me was not planned.
2 hours ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:Okay. Many things. Getting to the gambit when it gets to there in thread-time.
Really don't like the sheeping of my vote here.
Or here. Also, asking for the Seeker... not entirely sure how to read that, but not something entirely Village I suspect.
... or here.
Self-voting is a weird meta: I can see it when you legitimately want the Village to have your flip, or when you'd rather just be exed and be done with the game, or mostly some combination of the two. None of those really combine with "Green-Scanned Village Mistborn". I don't know what's going through Chameleon's head here, though, so idk. (Also, you're not technically supposed to edit in votes, but with the new merge changes idk how that works.)
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 1)
Scorpion moves of Chameleon almost immediately. I don't even know.
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 2)
For reference, the "more things to perhaps come to light" was mostly me waiting on a PM response from the individual I guessed most likely to be your Seeker (REDACTED), as well as the individual I guessed most likely to have shot at Vulture (who I also concluded was Heron).
3 Smokers don't interact with 3 Mistborn, 3 Smokers interact with the Seeker. The Seeker interacts with the 3 Mistborn. A Village Seeker with the power to find three Village Mistborn to do things with seems way too potent to actually be a correct distro. 3 Smokers indicates a distrust of the Seeker. 3 Mistborn on its own is also powerful and distro-questioning, hence my efforts to actually locate the Third Mistborn in addition to suspecting you.
Really hard for the Village to tell the difference between Mistborn 1 telling the truth about what metal they (didn't) use and Mistborn 2 existing but not saying anything, versus Mistborn 1 just lying about what metal they used. Especially right now, on D3 with four total flips.
Does it make sense for that to happen? Not really. Does any other explanation make sense? Also not really.
(Also, you did lie about what metal you used, technically. But more on that later.)
@Salmon Meerkat, were you aware of Chameleon trying a gambit at this point / from the start? Or otherwise why did you say this?
Also confused by the /j accompanying a very real vote, but that might just be a tone thing.
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 3)
@Quartz Zebra, curious how much you stand by this now post-gambit.
I think Beagle responded to these points as well, but I might as well if I'm going through everything.
- This depends what you think. If you think that there's an Elim between you and the Seeker, then the Seeker is the Elim. So, out the Seeker (either in thread or in PMs with those you trust). But IMO, a Seeker who you don't initially trust, doesn't tell you who they scanned C1, and then conveniently scanned the C1 Spiked kill isn't trustworthy.
- As Beagle mentioned, E!Chameleon means you're lying about the Seeker, and using it as some way to justify your claim as the third Mistborn.
- E!Seekers can play essentially two ways: work to identify good NKs for the Elim team, or pretend to be V!Seekers and assemble a tainted trust circle. The first won't claim at all, or won't claim without an NK following soon, and will also tend to not mistakenly create a true trust circle (perhaps by not having prior scan data). The second is more on gut.
- You've asked both why E!Chameleon and V!Chameleon would claim in thread, and are asking Beagle why V!Chameleon would undergo the actions that ostensibly-V!Chameleon is actively undergoing. I am confused.
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 4)
"We" mostly referenced the thread, which shifted tracks from mostly discussing Heron and Vulture to discussing Chameleon and a Seeker.
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 5)
Why say you have evidence and wait for someone to ask in order to present it?
(Penguin Is Elim Counter:
I'm counting this one double. Because... I'm really questioning what the purpose of it is. You tag half of the player list, including two players under inactivity warnings, to get them to try and vote me? All before presenting the evidence you alluded to previously? When, if the votes seem to be where they are, neither of us are actually leading and Heron is?
Why?
I don't even know if I E!Read this, because I don't even know if an Elim would be so bold as to do it.
@Amethyst Scorpion, curious how much you stand by this post-gambit.
(Penguin Is Elim Counter: 9)
And there we go.
Cham, if you're a Village Mistborn who rolled Thug today, this might be one of the the most hilariously effective plays of AG history! And I mean that sincerely. Double-switcheroos are great.
Outside of that, I don't know what to believe.
"Reaction Tests" are weird. Part of SE, IMO, is about reading the reactions of playing the game. Thus the entire thread is a reaction test. I'm a bit curious what the point of this one was, though. Was it to find who bought it, and who didn't? Or who was hedging their bets with the fake-claim and who wasn't? Or was it just a reaction test for the sake of doing a reaction test?
Take AG8. A certain Kasimir (Meerkat, then) used a Tineye message to fake being Elim Scanned by a nonexistent Seeker. The point of that one wasn't to figure out who suspected Meerkat, the point was to figure out who didn't or who was hedging their belief, because the Elim team would clearly know that Meerkat wasn't an Elim and that they didn't send that Tineye message. And it worked, to a fairly strong degree - both in the thread at that point, and post-game when his fancy chart was mapped to the actual Elim team.
So with this one, what exactly were you looking for?
Because, in addition to all the "Penguin Is Elim" posts, the thing I'm noticing is there's a lot of people who knew about this gambit ahead of time. Scorpion, Iguana, and Zebra all were told directly. Meerkat and Ostrich seem to know Mouse was planning something similar to happen. There were probably more, I haven't checked much beyond that and this post is getting long enough anyways. But if there's one Elim in that group somewhere, then the Elim team knew about the test the entire time, and you need to look at who's reacting accordingly.
(As a note, I didn't know about this gambit. In case that's not obvious by my posts, @Sage Kangaroo can hopefully back up that I was looking for the Wild Goose of a Seeker claim that you made, in an effort to make some sense of what was happening.)
Other points: I'm really confused by how much you continue to defend or focus on the Seeker you say doesn't actually exist. The evidence we have of the Seeker's existence is that you told us. And the argument of "why would e!Cham do this" is odd to continue as well without a reason for why v!Cham does this.
But there's two more pages I haven't even looked at and this is long enough as it is.
The point of this fake claim stuff, as has been previously stated, is to get NK'd. The reaction part was secondary. I should not have to keep on explaining this.
Secondly, I don't know how many times I have to phrase this for you, but THE SEEKER DOESN'T STORMING EXIST. Stop asking about it, because I've already given you an answer.
Additionally, I'd like to note that AG8 Meerkas was perfectly fine with the gambit because they were going to die anyways. Mouse mentioned it to me in a PM.
3 hours ago, Salmon Meerkat said:im not asking for chameleon to reveal who it is, im asking for the seeker itself to PM me so i can confirm the existence of a seeker.
The seeker. Does. Not. Exist.
End of discussion.
(And no, I am not moving my vote. I simply don't care anymore)
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2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said:
Chameleon, why were you not up to perform the gambit when Mouse proposed it C1? I’m curious to know why you chose to do it now instead of earlier when you weren’t receiving pressure.
To be clear, Mouse did tell me he proposed a gambit (did not tell me the details though) to you along with Falcon and that you hadn’t been particularly responsive to it. This had been one of Mouse’s concerns in regards to you.
He first told me about this idea N2, and I wanted to delay it until D3, because that would raise less questions.
Also, I was semi responsive to the gambit (I wouldn't say I didn't like it), but Mouse's suggestion was sort of, you know, given to me when I was sleeping, so not much I can do.
33 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:Can confirm Cham started the cycle PMing us saying yooo I want to do the gambit Mouse designed! Ostensibly to draw a NK!
In retrospect, it could well have been performative since gambiting = villagey to most people and they needed the cred. They didn't have a strong vision for the outcomes they desired from the thread beyond maybe I'll get NKed, so it wasn't even a reaction test, technically.
They then spent 24 hours convinced of e!Meerkat, which I can't repeat enough makes locking in on Penguin with no self doubt at all seem fake!
Will also note that I've heard Vulture claimed Thug, and when I directly PMed Cham about it with the argument that two village thugs seems unlikely, they weren't having any of it! Which is NAI, keep distro talk out of it if you want, but would it not be tempting to go down that road! Unless you know Vulture will flip village and you're the elim in that pair!
Cham only started the Meerkat push when Heron came under pressure, so that's the best way to test this without directly shooting Cham! Heron might be a high value target if they're this committed to saving them!
I don't understand how my fate entwines with Heron's.
Additionally, if I get killed because of someone else's role being the same as mine one more time, I will return from beyond the grave to haunt y'all
10 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:Dude I'm a thug that's just a waste of time
Like, how many people did mouse even tell
Chameleon
This entire thing is worthless.
The. Entire. Storming. Thing.
I'm done. I'm just done.
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2 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said:
Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it.
1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said:Chameleon
What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction?How do you know there’s an e!Rioter??
It implies Elim rioter if Elim penguin, yeah?
1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said:Chameleon
What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction?Fuchsia Ostrich made a sort of indecisive reaction, not sure if I like that reaction.
Although I am curious to know why you think that a reaction test is e!indicative. You haven't said why, exactly.
3 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:Chameleon, only i get to say its a reaction test/j
Tbh, mouse suggested I fake being green scanned, I wanted to claim mistborn in thread, one of the ideas was to say it came from a dubious source, so I combined all of them and now Aman's probably dying on the inside wherever he is.
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Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it.
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2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said:
They’ve felt genuine to me in PMs. I am conscious of a possible misclear here as they had an odd reaction in PMs to the back and forth you and I had surrounding your claim earlier (in that their reaction felt a little too tinfoily to be real) but ultimately I’ve been comfortable with their approach so far and don’t really see what you are seeing in the posts you highlighted. Where is the negative logic in the post where they vote for you?
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1. I think a v!seeker would have naturally just told you who they targeted C1. After all, why shouldn’t they? You are confirmed village to them. The fact that they didn’t volunteer that information is a red flag. The fact that they claim a convenient C1 scan like Falcon is a red flag. Why haven’t you outted them to the thread? Well because it doesn’t make any sense to, from your point of view. It’s objectively the incorrect thing to do in this scenario.
2. If you’re an elim the seeker doesn’t exist because they couldn’t have scanned you as a village mistborn? Any seeker targeting e!you here would not out their results to you but would instead out via proxy.
3. Weren’t you yourself arguing a while ago that you suspected the seeker to be an elim claiming to you for village cred? Didn’t you cite a few games where this has happened? Am I delusional?
4. I don’t understand this point; are you arguing against v!Chameleon? Are you saying you’re an elim?
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Additional evidence?
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Let me make this clear: I am not voting Vulture today. The way they’re handling the shot on them I almost never expect to come from an elim. An elim wouldn’t want to antagonize whoever shot them in this way and Vulture’s perspective here, in my opinion, is hard to come to as an elim to begin with.
Apologies for my posts looking like this. It’s hard on mobile.
No one will ever understand but yes this was indeed a reaction test that's what I'm trying to get you to realize anyways that's not important but it's going to be annoying if I have to be exe'd twice and it's a ml anyways
1. I'm a village thug
2. No, I did not get scanned by a seeker
3. Mouse's idea was a lot better and tbh we probably should've rolled with it
4. It was indeed a reaction test, but the objective was to try and get the elims to waste an NK on me
5. Scorp, Zebra, and Iguana all were informed of this idea beforehand
6. Beagle and lion are likely village based on the results, and penguin and ostrich are probably less village.
7. Let's be honest this is a disaster anyways but if anyone wants to vouch for the seeker (which doesn't exist) to disprove me go ahead.
8. An important line of thought is "why would an Elim make this reaction test" and the easiest answer is "cham is backpedaling" andy response to that is:
What evidence do you have for the seeker's existence, and me being a mistborn?
Again, if anyone wants to come forward and claim to be a proxy for a seeker who scanned me N2, go ahead, but otherwise you have no proof. Besides, if I'm e!Cham, why would I make this whole ordeal? Especially if I'm a thug, I'd rather sacrifice myself twice in order to stifle to village, and tbh the elims are already winning. Also, @Saffron Iguana, @Quartz Zebra or @Amethyst Scorpion can vouch for this (if they don't, and I flip village thug, you've found 3 elims!)
I will admit, it wasn't the most well thought-out fake claim, but it worked, and I'll go recatoge
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4 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:
ty,
are you willing to put your life on the line to say that you/penguin is v/e?
hm, why can't an elim be convicted like that? As of late, cham was in mouse's ??? tier iirc. What points did cham bring up that you think are good?
and what about me?No. But I am confident of Penguin being an Elim. I have additional evidence, if anyone cares.
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12 hours ago, Opal Lion said:
don't really think pearl is a villager. I also don't think they're the right exe at all for today.
3 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:hm. Are you willing to tout yourself as a difference check to penguin? @Pearl Chameleon? And oop- can you link that? I must have mist it- pardon the pun.
I don't understand what this is asking
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1 minute ago, Saffron Iguana said:
whos we? I mean I kind of think that might make sense in terms as far as... claims go lol. i dont rlly think that reading into the coinshot gives too much atm esp as it failed. would rather see what happens later bc idk if its indicative of either vulture or the coinshots alignment given how middling vultures been.
"We" probably refers to the Elim team lol since penguin is elim
2 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:why'd you ignore cham LOL. i guess claim is reasoning enough for now but meh.
Opal Lion gave their read on Chameleon later, I recall.
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44 minutes ago, Amber Vulture said:
OOC: I was thinking that, if Heron is e!Coinshot, this behaviour would be in line with that. I probably should not have lead with that, though, as it was one of the points I was less certain about
Just by the way, if heron is the village coinshot, you've outted them in thread.
Besides, a game with 3 mistborn vs Elim Coinshot is going to have a lot of RNG. I doubt the GMs would choose that kasayana of a distro, but who knows I guess?
1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:who is the seeker? would you mind pming me? also, Chameleon if i havent already.
I think I have already said I will not be outing the seeker in thread.
4 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:v!read Penguin as well. Though I’m starting to think I’m almost certainly misclearing people.
And why?
4 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:saw Chameleon’s action claims and the C1 scan. These sure are some results. There is 100% an elim between Chameleon and the Seeker. If Chameleon is an elim the seeker does not exist, and if Chameleon is village the Seeker needs to die in my opinion.
Okay, but I think you're overlooking some major points:
1. If there is an Elim between me and the seeker, then why haven't I outted them in thread? It's far more beneficial to me (for either alignment) if I did that.
2. If I am the Elim, why on earth would I put myself in thread for no reason? Shouldn't e!chameleon imply the seeker exists, because otherwise, I'm throwing away a valuable tool to the elims? And if e!chameleon means that the seeker exists, wouldn't I just NK the seeker N3? Or try and push the vote towards them? I seriously don't see a world in which e!chameleon claims in thread over a fake seeker, and I don't see a world in which e!chameleon claims anyways.
3. And why would the seeker need to die? I can only see one reason why, and that would entail an Elim seeker, but then and again, why would they claim seeker to me? It's much more beneficial to just NK the person, and keep scan results hidden in the Elim doc in the back. In other words, I don't think an Elim seeker would make that kind of play.
4. While we're on the topic of it, in which world does v!chameleon claim in thread? Again, beagle outlined the best course of action, which would be to a) contact someone about the seeker privately and b) play along, and their alignment will be revealed eventually? You tell me what conditions you think v!chameleon would threadclaim in.
11 hours ago, Opal Lion said:Heading out for a bit but before I do
Penguin, You think that Amber is a strange coinshot target since you see people to be village reading them. your assumption from that is that it's time to kill the claimed mistborn?
I don't really think pearl is a villager. I also don't think they're the right exe at all for today.
If you think Amber is a strange coinshot target, why would you not assume that an Elim mistborn rolled and shot him? why is your assumption that instead the claimed mistborn is an Elim?
12 hours ago, Opal Lion said:It's just that I wouldn't call that analysis, just information. The only non-flipped role you colored was you, and you didn't out any opinions or findings from it. So I was wondering if you were working on findings that you were going to post after that.
And fortunately this is not a problem for me, as I'm not in any trust groups. In my opinions PMs should be used only if you need to share information with someone that you can't share with Elims. Seeker results fall into that.
Still that's not analysis, so that's why I was asking.
Who are you going to vote, Penguin ?
I like this reasoning and line of questioning. I think it comes from a village mindset.
3 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:at least five elims and you refuse to consider anyone but single suspects in a vacuum! If you're convinced Penguin is evil, then build on that and tell me who their teammates are!
You asked me who I would vote on, not who five people I think are elims are. I think you have misinterpreted my response.
16 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:huh- interesting. i presume the almost is because you arent 100 percent certain bc this is se?
also, could you explain a little what you meant by that last bit, if i may ask? im not quite getting the point.
Basically it feels like that big post where penguin makes negative logic and extremely disjuncted conclusions comes from the mindset of "I will vote Cham no matter what but let me attach a big note onto it to make it look better"
5 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:Grabbing this Cham quote from page two, we see some lovely FUD!
Their whole strategy is to push a better target and claim opposing wagons are distractions!
If you read my reads from before, at that time I had been reading Heron as Village. Similar to how I said something similar d1 about the scorp train, I am more inclined to defend my village reads.
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Guys penguin is an Elim
I'm almost certain
Would vote:
Penguin,
Would not vote:
Quartz Zebra, Oxblood Beagle, Fuchsia Ostrich, Iguana, Amethyst Scorpion, Opal Lion.
17 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:hmmm... well, fair point. Chameleon if you had a plan with mouse, imma let you guys play it out. and those are good points. also, how do 3 smokers equal 3 mistborn?
That's the thing: They don't. Penguin is just trying to vote me, but has this whole spiral of thoughts that just don't make sense to try and justify it, and it just doesn't work.
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4 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:
an aside, why are so many people village reading Albatross? I know Mouse v!read them on the logic that they wouldn’t have killed Falcon. And that reason is fine for putting Alb aside momentarily, but I dont think that logic alone is sufficient to continue v!reading them 2 cycles later? @ Ostrich and other players I don’t remember. Chameleon, I think?
They're the vote analyst, and they've been doing more analysis on votes than anyone else. Again, it hasn't been the best activity-wise, but I find it comes from a village mindset, not a Elim mindset.
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