Pearl Chameleon

3 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

would elims not also pm each other?????

No, they have the eliminator doc to conspire in.

EDIT:

although they probably might say that they did to cover up Elim tmi

3 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

Why do you find this, since the leading wagon all day was a villager?

They were never in as much danger as you seem to think

There was a point at which it was 5-5-2, I think

1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

Sometimes log books have tasks for the next account holders.

Protecting the salmon is one of them.  

You can protect salmon easily by doing the things listed Here!

19 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

plus, i didnt look at the log book too hard until now, sooooooo no one gets my salmon.

I fail to see how the second point is connected to this entire situation.

3 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

i was trying to save myself! mouse gave me some tips, so hopefully i can be more helpful.

Oh, no, I'm more concerned about the sheer amount of people online during eod- curiously when you were close to becoming top train. I'm not worried about you defending yourself, you should nearly always do that, but I'm more concerned of some Elim teammates trying to defend you.

10 hours ago, Amber Vulture said:

Hey," she said, getting the obligator's attention. "If you don't mind, I would like for you to explain the thought processes that led you to suspecting that I am Spiked.

My reasons are mostly: subtle defense of Meerkat, not answering questions, and that I find it hard to believe that all of the elims are sitting in the inactives tier (and the lucky coin said so).

EDITED TO ADD:

Also, high chance Meerkat is elim based on the high EoD investment. 

2 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

why am i a villager now?????

Yeah yeah don't worry about it.

Reads:

Ughhhh that throws everything off, although Charcoal Hyena felt really "hung out to dry," as in, an easy target.

No vote manipulation this time, cool.

I agree with heron as in I don't think Hyena train was completely pure, but I'd be more skeptical of the earlier votes than the later ones.

Need more content from the inactives.

Again, if you are a Coinshot, and you didn't shoot N1, I highly encourage you to shoot a low-activity player.

Just now, Mint Heron said:

Nah, just didn't have time until the last couple hours or 

Fun

Just now, Oxblood Beagle said:

Chameleon I’m back here. 

You already voted me :thonk:

Just now, Sage Kangaroo said:

 

 

Sticks and stones may break my bones but one vote will never hurt me.

Just now, Sage Kangaroo said:

I also find it weird how Heron's activity suddenly picked up near the end of the day. Looks like they're tryning to save someone. 

As I said, if e!Hyena then e!Heron

Just now, Sage Kangaroo said:

I am so confused. Why were people condemning Iguana? Perhaps there was something missing from my notes indeed. I didn't get it. Random votes without reasonings always seem suspicious. Now that Beagle has also condemned Chameleon, I'll keep my vote there but I'd rather Hyena die over Meerkat. 

Beagle didn't condemn me. 

Just now, Oxblood Beagle said:

The Iguana wagon stinks but I have not backread the posts I missed.

Yeah I'll explain why I'm going to do this later

Igauna

Hyena

Not enough time to explain why now, hope you understand

Just now, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

The worst part of anon games is I can't upvoot the stellar memes

Agreed.

Just now, Saffron Iguana said:

can we get a vc in here...?

Ask someone who has tallybot. I accidentally got rid of it and can't seem to get it back.

1 minute ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

i dont really think they were in danger to begin with.

They are now!

2 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

I like the Kanga vote only because it puts Iguana out of danger

You v!read kanga less than iguana?

2 minutes ago, Azure Mouse said:

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You know why you shouldn't

1 minute ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Actually having second thoughts! Is it too late for a Kangaroo exe! 

You shouldn't have left this until the last minute. 

Yes. 

Iguana

6 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:

Yeah, I can see how you can read into it that way. 

...night kill...?

I added NK to the end of that by accident. Doesn't mean anything.

12 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

the fact that you unvoted them did not go into that decision. and no, i still have no thoughts at the moment. im not great at this game lol ^^". im just trusting myself and hoping i dont die. 

There's just too many people for me to choose from atm.

Choose the person you want to hear more from the most, then.

4 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Eh, but that’s kinda agendaless. I don’t disagree there should be pressure there, but something is seriously wrong with your worldview if that’s the scummiest person in the thread for you.

 

why would you clear heron, then? I’d almost admit that v!hyena means nothing to heron’s aEhlignment because there’s nothing to that.

In what world does an Elim start another train when there is already a runaway train already? Don't you think that's... Unnecessary if you're elim? Not a e/v interaction, I think.

Tuatara is not the scummiest person around. As I said before, they could be replaced with any other inactive, but I'm putting Tuatara down for now

8 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

because you’ve commented a lot this game about  like. Different styles of reads and attempting more fluidity. So when I’m also touting a similar playstyle and being scumread by you, it’s mildly annoying to scummy from you to do so, FMPOV.

To be fair, I knew these kinds of reads would provoke some stir within the thread. I know the point of an AN is to foster different playstyles, and I encourage it. But I think you have one thing wrong here, and that is that my read on you is not because of who I think you are, or how you should act. It's based off of gut feeling.

1 minute ago, Mint Heron said:

Bruh. It's almost never the case (in my experience at least) that there isn't at least one Elim on trains like this. There's obviously going to be villagers on the train to, but I was just pointing that out. If a villager is too afraid to vote on someone they actually think is elim because they think it'll make them look elim that's just silly. Villagers don't worry about their votes looking elimy. They just vote who they think is more suspicious.

I see we have different stances on the purity of the Hyena train. I do agree that even if Hyena's Elim, it's still likely there was some sort of bus. But the point is, the way it was phrased sounds like you were trying to subtly convince people to vote elsewhere, or at least that's what it seemed like to me.

NK

1 minute ago, Mint Heron said:

What does that even mean?

Video game?

34 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

hmmm. can you explain how you both do and dont think tuatara is a hit? and why over the other inactives you list????

Because they PMd everyone at the start of the game and have done nothing since.

35 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

boo i think im more annoying! i dont lack conclusions, i have fluid reads, something that i find quite ironic to hear from you.

Why do you find it ironic to hear something like that from me?

36 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Not sure what I feel about Heron being asked to move off Scorp and then starting a brand-new train.

Depends on Hyena's alignment. If Hyena is elim, I'd definitely vote out heron next. If Hyena flips village, I'd say that Heron's light cleared to a small degree.

2 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said:

why am i an elim again :[ bro my rolecard cant keep up with all these conversions...

edit:

wait do you seriously have enough of a read on tuatara to confidently call them an elim?

No, actually I'm inclined to think otherwise on Tuatara, but I have my theories.

Currently, one of the inactives fits that slot. It could be dingo, or rhino maybe, but more likely Tuatara. I'll admit that you voting Tuatara and then their subsequent retaliation vote doesn't look e/e, but it could just be a distancing strategy.

As for you, I believe you are elim simply because of your lack of conclusions. Similar to Meerkat, although less annoying, and more discussion oriented.

58 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

Well if hyena is an elim Mint is a villager 

Other way around, If Hyena Elim, I'd be looking at Heron next.

2 hours ago, Mint Heron said:

Can someone explain to me the Hyena votes? It seems like there's a train there and likely at least one Elim who hopped on later.

This is exactly what subtle defense entails. You try and make people reconsider why they're reading Hyena as Elim, and the last portion is suggesting "If you vote on Hyena you're elim."

Standard Elim strategies. Not saying this means both Hyena and Heron are elim, just saying that this comes off to me as an E/E interaction

Salmon Meerkat

Just answer the questions, please.

1 hour ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

How would an elim have reacted, in your opinion? 

This is a good question.

Reads

As you can see, I'm trying out a new kind of reads. 

Amber Vulture, Flamingo (of all people) and Sage Kangaroo I'm not ready to say are completely villager to me, but they're really close.

17 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Number of interactions / times they brought up Falcon (or Falcon brought up them) in thread. So Scorpion mentioned Falcon 5 times, 2 of which offered reads.

(There were a few things I didn’t count, mostly VCs and un-votes.)

Have you done this for ivory dragonfly? Or just falcon?

Tuatara

Really want to hear more from you.

11 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said:

Well, I read D1, which drained my energy faster than a Hemalurgic spike. Here's my reads based on that. Will read more later

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V+

Amber Mouse, Pearl Chameleon

V-

Charcoal Hyena, Plum Rhinoceros, Chartreuse Penguin

N+

Opal Lion, Magenta Albatross, Melon Dingo

N-

Salmon Meerkat, Sage Kangaroo, 

E+

Onyx Flamingo, Saffron Iguana, Amber Vulture

E-

Amethyst Scorpion

 

Everyone else is null, for now.

Who's amber moose?

1 hour ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

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• Amber Vulture 
  • 2 (1 V!Read)
  • Falcon - 1 (1 N!Read)
• Amethyst Scorpion
  • 5 (2 V!Read, 1 NV!Read)
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 V!Read)
• Azure Mouse
  • 3 (3 Quote)
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 V!Read)
• Charcoal Hyena
  • 3 (1 Vote)
  • Falcon - 1 (1 NV!Read)
• Chartreuse Penguin
  • 2 (2 V!Read)
  • Falcon - 1 (1 E!Read)
• Coral Swan
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 NV!Read)
• Cream Tuatara
  • NA
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 NV!Read)
• Fuchsia Ostrich
  • 1 (1 ??!Read)
  • Falcon - 1 (1 Inactive!Read)
• Indigo Weasel
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 NE!Read)
• Magenta Albatross
  • 3 (1 Vote)
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 E!Read)
• Mauve Crocodile
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 Inactive!Read)
• Melon Dingo
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 Inactive!Read)
• Mint Heron
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 NV!Read)
• Onyx Flamingo
  • 1
  • Falcon - 1 (1 N!Read)
• Opal Lion
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 NV!Read)
• Oxblood Beagle
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 N!Read)
• Pearl Chameleon
  • 7 (1 Quote, 3 V!Read, 1 ??!Read)
  • Falcon - 1 (1 V!Read)
• Plum Rhinoceros
  • NA
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 N!Read)
• Quartz Zebra
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 N!Read)
• Saffron Iguana
  • 14 (2 Quote, 1 ??!Read, 1 NE!Read, 4 E!Read, 1 Vote)
  • Falcon - 3 (1 Quote, 1 E!Read)
• Sage Kangaroo
  • NA
  • Falcon - 1 (1 Inactive!Read)
• Salmon Meerkat
  • 7 (4 Quote, 1 Vote, 2 NV!Read, 1 N!Read)
  • Falcon - 8 (5 Quote, 1 Vote, 1 N!Read)
• Sapphire Elephant
  • NA
  • Falcon - 2 (1 Quote, 1 NV!Read)

 

So apparently the way I made that, I can't write above it, so we'll work with this instead. Interactions with Falcon and vice versa. Falcon made an all-inclusive reads list at one point, so no one has no interactions, but there's a lot of players with no interactions with Falcon starting from themselves: Coral Swan, Cream Tuatara, Indigo Weasel, Mauve Crocodile, Melon Dingo, Mint Heron, Opal Lion, Oxblood Beagle, Plum Rhinoceros, Quartz Zebra, Sage Kangaroo, and Sapphire Elephant. About half the total players.

Most of those aren't surprising, but the italic ones kind of are. Tuatara because they had multiple PMs, Beagle because they've posted more in depth than the others, and Plum Rhinoceros because they were early active + had multiple Falcon-started interactions. 

Anything else surprising in here? Saffron Iguana reinforced their E!Read of Falcon an odd amount, but it seems consistent with how they've been playing and how much they've been posting. Similar case with Salmon Meerkat, though Meerkat's opinions changed over time a bit more. Pearl Chameleon is notable for the changing reads, but that's also been consistent with their own style, somewhat. And Azure Mouse honestly has less interactions than I'd expect.

Doesn't leave much to work with, but if anyone with less of a sieve-brain wants to look at it, it's there. And it leaves Hyena with more of a reason for the kill.

A lot of posts while I was making this so I'll just submit and go from there.

What do the numbers mean?

Just now, Sage Kangaroo said:

"I'm sure it wasn't deciding to live react but the content of the reactions themselves. For example, I find myself particularly confused as to why you'd mention 'lots of vote manipulation' in a cycle that gave us the night flip."

I hate vote manipulation. Makes Lynches way too difficult and uneasy. 

But really, I was just disappointed at the distro, since I expected there to be a Coinshot (which, there still could be, but I didn't thinknof that)

Having a Coinshot is a luxury, not a need, I suppose.