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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Poor Lion made it this far just to die now. The elims still aren't going for the claimed Meditationform, which is interesting, but I'm still going to vote for Cream Tuatara because they're more likely to be evil. A net of three Workform gems were taken, and it's quite possible the one still in the stash previously belonged to Lion.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Just in case Lion wants to say something else without doubleposting. Killing an elim Meditationform should give us the votes to go for Tuatara tomorrow even if they're in Workform, or at least we'll never have a better opportunity. We can't rule out e!Flamingo since the chances of a village Workform are decent given how many Workform gems have gone missing, but Tuatara first and then looking at Scorpion/Weasel sounds good. Lion getting a Mateform gem could have also been a Scholarform, in which case Workform or Meditationform are still the preferred gems to give out.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yes, yes I'm voting Mint Heron for being an elim.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
We should have enough votes to win this exe unless there's two elim Meditationforms, but on every subsequent day it's entirely possible the elims will be able to hammer. There's a distinct possibility of an elim Workform who could turn a one vote village lead into a tie and cause a loss. Taking and using the three remaining Workform gems this cycle will make that less likely to happen and also leave open the possibility of the elims hammering the wrong person.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Well here's my vote for Emerald Falcon. Now we just see if the Meditationforms are villagers.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Scorpion has replied in a PM today, so they're definitely not M-I. I can also confirm receiving a PM from Tuatara today that also contains Flamingo and Mouse.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Well N4 was the only time Beagle could have gotten Workform since there weren't any votes removed from them D4 and kills go before attuning forms, so it's either that or they were M-I and have just jumped.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Rhino and I got Warform gems D1, so either Heron/a teammate got the third or you got the third while Vulture and Heron are elim teammates, with one of them being the Scholarform that made Heron's Warform.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Let's see if my earlier suspicions of Heron pay off. I don't entirely follow Lion's analysis, but if he's evil I think we've already lost. Heron. Seven votes on Heron, but that's only five more than are on Vulture and Weasel, so an elim hammer to save an elim!Heron could still succeed, especially if multiple Heron voters are evil. Can anyone else confirm getting a PM from Tuatara today? Looking for @Emerald Falcon and @Amethyst Scorpion specifically.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Malibu can't take forms, so Tuatara being able to make two PMs at once means they can't be Malibu. I can confirm getting a PM from Tuatara today that also includes Weasel and Heron, the last of which has not yet responded.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Hyena, Beagle- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Beagle, Hyena to avoid a tie I suppose. Though I deliberately voted for Beagle over Hyena.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Beagle (3): Tuatara, Hyena, Dragonfly Tuatara (3): Mouse, Falcon, Beagle Hyena (3): Lion, Rhino, Vulture Heron (1): Flamingo Falcon (1): Heron Vulture (1): Scorpion I'd rather vote for Beagle, hence the vote. You can still switch to untie it.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Beagle (4): Tuatara, Vulture, Hyena, Dragonfly Tuatara (3): Mouse, Falcon, Beagle Hyena (3): Lion, Flamingo, Rhino Heron (1): Flamingo Falcon (1): Heron Vulture (1): Scorpion Looks like it's time to break a tie. I'll go for Beagle, mostly for gemstone reasons. Hyena voting on a 2 vote train instead of 3 when they also only had 2 votes counts as self-preservation in my opinion. This is a cycle where we really have to be wary of Meditationforms and Workforms, so who knows if a broken tie will stick.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I did tell you that, but actually looking at the PM, Rhino is right that it opened at what would be 12:56 EST D2.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Penguin (3): Scorpion, Flamingo, Lion Vulture (3): Falcon, Penguin, Heron Heron (2): Dragonfly, Vulture Falcon (1): Rhino Once again we have a lovely tie. We also have three people who've come out to vouch for Heron but couldn't really come up with any reasons other than that they feel Heron is village, which is strange. I would hope elims defending a teammate would at least have some evidence-based arguments. Lion saying Heron could have voted for Ross anyway is true, but Ross died anyway, and also I'm stronger village!Lion than elim!Heron so I'm not counting this as a likely defense of a teammate. I would rather exe Penguin than Vulture, but I'll keep the vote on Heron until it becomes untenable since there's no reason Mavset-Im shouldn't have submitted the N1 kill unless the elims planned to go for the 'I just forgot to use a gemstone N1' excuse all along.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
You mentioned that you wanted to vote for Vulture but chose to put a second vote on Scorpion instead. At the time, there were more than 35 hours left in thread making threats of a tie far distant, and all six candidates only had one vote, which would have given plenty of time for a vote on Vulture to create pressure and start a train. Voting Albatross to make sure there was an exe is something someone who wouldn't have been able to post again until rollover might do. It's a very different thought process to retracting that vote in favor of someone you suspected more, making a tie. I do understand having different priorities based on how well rested you are at the time. And now your current vote diverges from a perceived pattern of voting for optics rather than efficacy, which is nice. I'm not ready to retract though.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Going to start off with Mint Heron here. I get the sense they care more about how their voting patterns will be perceived than in voting for elims. D2 they first voted for someone other than their #1 suspicion because they didn't feel like creating a tie ~35 hours before the cycle ended. After switching to said suspect, they moved to Albatross to secure an exe, which would be neutral except they then retracted after public backlash. Villagers are supposed to get themselves read as village, but I think Heron's caring too much about deflecting suspicion.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Time to get a new gem I guess. Not sure why the elims would have gone for one of the 7 people who could have possibly been Warform even before any PM information they had other than Lion making a N1 PM. @Chartreuse Penguin, would you have broken a tie yesterday had it come up? @Oxblood Beagle, did Albatross getting themself killed make you want to save them?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Mostly for being less suspicious of the others, I'm afraid. Plenty of games have villagers with extra lives and the possibility for no exe. It's never in the village's favor to purposefully go for a tie, and even less so in this game since there aren't any village kill roles, so for the elims a tie is a great opportunity to get a free kill and then go for the same two people next cycle since nothing was resolved the first time. Hitting a Warform with the exe or even the kill doesn't guarantee they're village. Well in this case it was Rhino who pointed it out. Yes. While an elim will be more likely to go for a villager who already has votes and a ready made excuse than look for other alternatives. Albatross (3): Rhino, Lion, Dragonfly Penguin (3): Vulture, Albatross, Flamingo Dragonfly (1): Scorpion Tuatara (1): Heron We currently do have a tie. Anyone want to do something about it?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Right okay so we have a tie. The elims would actually be fine with a tie since it gives them another chance for a kill without giving any concrete information being revealed. Tempted to vote for Albatross just for this. Dingo hasn't come back with their read through but I am feeling better about them than I did yesterday for pushing on Rhino for false reasons when a doc could have pointed that out. I don't think Vulture would have pushed so hard on Lion if they didn't actually think Lion was evil. Making it personal as an elim strategy is less likely. Confused by Penguin not looking for any other alternative since from their POV, death and, if village, a tie, are bad outcomes. An elim Penguin would be happy to vote for a village Albatross near rollover in self-preservation, which has yet to happen. Albatross, which I fill in fact do. Now that it's no longer a tie, we'll see what happens, noting that ties are fine right up to rollover upon which we need a plurality. "Workform is a welcome change from Dullform", Kethri thought as they marched with their fellow singers towards freedom. Not the flashiest or most specialized form, but versatile and well suited to adapting to problems. Most importantly, wearing Workform allowed for a clarity of thought far superior to anything that could be achieved in Dullform, without requiring a spren of Odium. Greater intelligence allowed Kethri to remember exactly who Odium was and why he and his servants had to be resisted. Every god on Roshar had betrayed the singers, and now they had to make their own life free from the petty squabbles of these beings whose great powers failed to impart upon them any common sense or decent manners.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
17 people who are still alive had the opportunity to go for gems, so 7 people didn't submit an order, failed, or took an elim gem. Mavset-Im probably goes for a village gem just for deprivation purposes.Everyone on the player list showed up so I'd guess there was significant over-requestation for Scholarform and Warform. Do think it's a little odd to mention kills, but it's also on par with noting that 10 gems were taken or that Scholarform/Warform were popular choices. 7 people failed to get a village gem vs. 10 living players who succeeded. And presumably if Lion got a regal gem they would have used it. So options are Mavset-Im or went for Scholarform/Warform and failed. I'd guess 5 or so people out of 7 are in the latter category, which would mean half the people who who went for those gems succeeded and the other half failed. Unfortunately, we don't know how much that RNG skews village, but certainly more likely to be evil. A lot of elim teams don't like to kill high posters N1 unless they're really in trouble. Or if they find a good role, like killing Kas N1 in LG 78 for being Beedle. The point of anon games is not to base your reads on a player's history. You're also not really supposed to claim an actual identity, or at least not be able to prove who you are. Ties don't lead to a failure to kill anyone unless the vote is tied at the end of the cycle, so it's fine to tie the vote before that. Otherwise, the first person to have a vote stick on them would die every time. Any moderator can merge two posts together and then make the combined post say whatever they want without it showing up as being edited.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Didn't go back that far in Steel's post history or read the signup thread after the first post. So that means knowing who did and didn't manage to get gemstones is less likely to be alignment indicative, so not a lot of information gained from knowing who failed to get gemstones.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
If you're only wanting people who didn't get gemstones to claim, and since not getting a gemstone is slightly indicative of being an elim because they won't get any gems if villagers order the entire stock are less likely to get gemstones if villagers order the entire stock, elims who went for a gem and didn't get one could stay silent. If two villagers and two elims failed to get gems, and one of those villagers claimed failure, at best all we'd know tomorrow is that three people didn't speak up about failing to get gems. This is further complicated by elims going for regal gems, so if only 13 gems are missing it could mean that five people failed, or that four people failed and one elim got a regal gem, etc. Also an interesting perspective, weighed against the fact that someone who failed to get a particular gem is much more likely to be evil than the confirmed good players those who succeeded in taking that same gem. For the elims, Meditationform is top tier since double votes help much more when you know who's evil. I do know that replacement gems are not added to the stockpile except for unused gemstones in the case of death. Where did Steel say that, since it wasn't in a post?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Ivory Dragonfly replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I will vote Dingo as well. Besides the Scholarform thing, there's also saying there are probably 5 elims in once sentence then that there are 15 villagers in the next, and for singling out Rhino as the only one who didn't explain their votes and retractions.- 819 replies
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