Sage Kangaroo

Actually I just decided that you were annoying, not an Elim. I re-read some of your posts, and decided that you weren't active enough to form a read on, and the posts I read just seemed like you had a jarring playstyle, not an Elim one. Of course, that could be what you were going for, but that gets to far into IKYK for me to make a decision about it. Yeah this... This doesn't make sense at all. It really would be Ivory, I think. As they themselves said. That really doesn't seem like an Elim thing to do, at all, though. Ever. Risk ≠ to reward for saying that, even going into IKYK territory. Plus I've got a really solid Village Read on Ivory. Which says good things about Beagle, by comparison, although new players have a higher tendency of being duped by older players who are active in PMs... I would know. Actually, now that I think about it, Flamingo could be a Beagle accomplice? Maybe kinda sorta? Like, first cycle or so he went after Beagle, but actually was just an Elim trying to distance himself, but then once Beagle started looking really Village, then Flamingo rejoined him? Or if Beagle really is village, Flamingo is just an Elim trying to jump on the Village Bandwagon with him. Yeah, I could maybe see a Flamingo lynch, just for the information it would give us. And they definitely did some suspicious stuff of their own. And it honestly makes way more sense than the Tuatara lynch, ATP. Also, for all the vote counts that keep missing this, I retracted my vote on Beagle a while ago.

True. And I don't really want to be the person who kills actives because they're active. It's against everything I stand for. Beagle. I won't say I'm no longer suspicious of Beagle: I still am. Just not enough to actively attempt a lynch on him, especially since the majority seems to think he's innocent. This feels like another non-response to my accusation. I'll let it go because so many other people jumped to your defense, but your statement about Octopus also feels off to me. And as for your statement about what an Elim would do, well, that's what an Elim would say. kidding-not-kidding Gonna be honest; Still not feeling the Tuatara lynch. I have to agree that it's just a playstyle thing, as seems to be consistently the reason for suspicions over the past few cycles. Non-attention to the writeup isn't a reason to kill someone. It betrays a lack of care, maybe, or a lack of common sense, but it really doesn't say Elim to me. And that weird thing they said also doesn't sound very solid. I'm not saying I don't see other reasons to be suspicious of them; that vote they just threw on Beagle does look rather odd, but it's also something that a frightened villager might do. Off the top of my head, it would lend us a bit of information about your supporters. If you aren't village, then they're either wrong or Elim, and it will add context to some of the earlier lynches. It will definitely color your reads, although trying to figure out what an Elim meant by their reads heads decidedly into IKYK territory. I'm not gonna throw any votes around RN. I'm not suspicious enough of anyone who's been voted on to start a train, and I don't feel like adding a vote to the already growing list, so I'm gonna wait a bit and see what happens.

I'm actually suspicious of Beagle again. Ok, I know I'm wobbling about here, but it's hard to get reads on people, ok? Ok, I'm partially suspicious of them because they're still alive, after being one of the most active players for a couple cycles now, as well as apparently being extremely active in PMs. Even if a lot of it was fluff, it was still a lot of posts, and some of them had some pretty decent analysis in them. It just seems unlikely that the Elims would keep a player like that alive. I'll admit that the kill patterns of the Elims do look a little odd, though, so who knows? But if Beagle was an Elim, suddenly it makes sense why he's not dead yet. It also makes sense that he was a big part of two lynch trains on players we now know were villagers. And those repeated, "I'm probably going to die tonight," "Oh, phew, I survived," definitely read as off to me. So, Beagle. I know I'm not the first person to post suspicions of you, but I'd like to hear what you have to say, especially since a couple of those suspicions you simply discarded as "Ok, I gambled and failed." Not really a defense, more of a deflection.

So Taupe never posted. Not really surprised at this point. Not sure what to make of that. Glad I didn't participate in that odd bandwagon right there.

Yeah sorry about that. Got a bit distracted. I personally don't agree with the suspicions of Onyx. Really, they do seem to be just a new player, or a player with style that's just a little off. I've seen it happen before, and I don't think it's really a good reason to be suspicious of them. I'm pretty trusting of Ivory, Scarlet, and I'm starting to feel ok about Oxblood after re-reading the thread. He's generally more pushing for activity than a typical Elim, and he's encouraging conversation even if he's not exactly being the most analysis-y. I'm still paranoid, of course, because I'm me, and it could all be a cover. However, I do feel slightly suspicious of Taupe. It's mostly just fluffy posts along with the D1 screwery, which I still don't quite understand. It's one thing to have a play style that ticks people off, while you're trying. Actively messing around in the thread I don't love. If they do end up posting an analysis before the cycle ends, as they said they would, I might take my vote off of them. I suppose it depends on what the analysis is like. I have a bit of trouble reading RP, especially for actual analysis, so I tend to be a bit more suspicious of the players that RP a lot, simply because it's actively harder to read them. I do understand that this is just a play style, and this is, after all, an RP server, so I suppose I can't really fault them for it. And it's totally not because I'm jealous cause I can't RP

Kind of have to agree here. Sometimes you've got to shoot a gun into a crowd to see who'll run. You can't always just look at them closely to try and find out. Actions speak louder than words, etc etc. As far as Beagle goes... seems a little fluffy. Like they're posts aren't making me super suspicious of them, and their general activity seems villager, but just after skimming their posts they seem a little like a lot of words and not a lot of meaning. That said, I don't think that Beagle is an Elim. Not definitely, anyway. And I don't have a lot else to say for now. I'll be back on later after reviewing the past cycle or so, and hopefully I'll have put something together.

Unfortunately, not only villagers can be Elsecallers. And not having a lynch stifles D2 discussion, not D1. D1 discussion can be grand and wonderful, but if we hit someone who just won't die, we've wasted a lynch and have no additional information about them, except that they were an Elsecaller. And, as the Gecko lynch doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I might as well take my vote off of them. I don't have another place to put my vote right now, so I guess I'll check in later.

Yeah that didn't really help you any. Well it'll stand out in my memory, at least. It effectively wastes a lynch, and in my experience, also tends to cause stagnation in discussion. Everyone's all like, "Oh, so uh. He didn't die. Now what? Do we lynch him again?" Yeah that doesn't work out so well. The lynch is in the game for a reason, and is an important tool. Answered above. It's really just annoying and yech-y. And it wastes a lynch. I'm not entirely sure about the Gecko lynch anymore actually. I mean, this could definitely be some sort of reverse psychology, but I kind of doubt it. Seriously though, Gecko, I'd love to know what you're thoughts were when you made those posts. Chaotic voting patterns and posts have this tendency to get you lynched, even if it's not really an Elim thing to do. And referring to your own actions as screwery? Not so good. Edit; I would like to note that even if you think that Taupe is going to be the lynch target for the cycle, it's not a reason to stop discussing, or analyzing, for the cycle. We've got about a whole day left, and that's time that should be put to good use. Edit 2; And a vote count would be lovely.

You've gone full Vizzini on me. Well, to start with, I'm just gonna point out it's not necessarily wise to assume a players sleep patterns. Besides that, the connection Kangaroo-Australia-G'Day Mates is probably a bit more in line with my thought process than a convoluted attempt to hide my true speech patterns. Besides, if I'd decided that the sole point of this game was to hide my identity in every way possibly, I would have ignored the rules of grammar and posted infrequently. But that's not the point of this game, is it? As for my use of the word color, well, I could say something about attempts to hide my true identity with improper spelling etcetera, but we've already established that's not my goal. Unless it is, and this is a further attempt to deceive you? You may have a slight case of reading to much into things. That's all I'm gonna say about your monologue about the word gamma. Page count does not always directly imply discussion. You can have ten pages of fluff, just as you can have two pages of highly effective and useful discussion. That is the point of discussion... I'm not saying it isn't. And I don't know how long, which is why I didn't specify. I could do the math, if you'd like. And are you seriously asking why we can't indefinitely hold off the lynch? Or I just like sounding a certain way. "Simply excellent" has a certain flair to it, don't you think? That's what was happening. My post reads as a response, because that's what it was. Dialogue inspires discussion, and it's also an excellent way to read people. And my certainty varies in part because, well, my confidence varies. Also because it's easy to be confidant in statistics; however, even statistics only imply. They aren't definite. The main problem with the rest of this part of your analysis is that I said Elsecaller, not Edgedancer. Perhaps you're projecting your own thoughts onto me? As for my use of the emoji, I just like using it. It adds a certain light-heartedness to my posts, I think. It was seriously just a joke. Here, Scarlet Octopus. For the record, I didn't check your account for activity, and my post did ignite discussion. So, success? Phew that took a long time to write. Honestly, I'm a little suspicious of Taupe Gecko for their bandwagon-y, unexplained, apparently random vote. Care to explain that, @Taupe Gecko?

G'day Mates. The color of my fur is a subject of much mystery, leaving the curious viewer to wonder; am I really a kangaroo, or am I secretly a gamma irradiated bunny? The thing about not having a D1 lynch is that it tends to cause a serious stagnation in discussion, which is even worse with games that have cycles this long. Besides, the statement; "we are likely to hit a villager" is going to be true for quite a while, and we can't hold off the lynch indefinitely. The possibility that we get an Elim is always there as well, and if we did hit an Elim, that would be simply excellent. And if we do hit a villager, there would then be plenty of things to discuss, which benefits us as well. And if we hit an Elsecaller or something... yech. Lets just hope that doesn't happen. Basically, I am in favor of a D1 lynch, though I accept the possibility that we hit a villager, or, something I like even less, the certainty that we'll be ending someone's game turn one. However, my vote for the Scarlet Octopus has nothing to do with that logic; instead, it's because it's just obvious that a real octopus would never survive on Roshar to begin with.