Cream Tuatara

Considering Beagle is pretty much confirmed elim alongside Heron, that statement is, while true, kinda invalidated. I'm guessing one of them is Mavset, so maybe we should all make PMs tonight to try and see who's the converter tomorrow. I have an extra artform gem I have no idea of what to do with, so there's that. Edit: Rollover is already a bit early for me, but if everyone else is good with it, it can be pushed back.

So, uh, why am I picking up steam again? Mouse seems to want their opinions on my d1 post to be heard, and I won't sus them too hard for that, but Beagle seems to just be jumping on a train that requires little reason to go on, without bringing much suspicion with it. Normally, I would give them the benefit of the doubt due to their inactivity, but it seems like they've just been flying under the radar, considering they've voted every day except d1, they seem to be keeping either a constant soft warform, or trying to influence the exe without being really noticed.

@Opal Lion, I kinda forgot I had a second action. I'm using it to grab a gem and make a PM today.

I'll say that I did get a gem from the stash, but it was on d2, not d1.

Having looked a little more in-depth, I have to say that a WGG is pretty extreme tinfoil, even for me. But that raises the point, why would they attack Rhino, for those who know these things and aren't too lazy to go back and check, was Rhino a scholar candidate?

WGG? It's possible considering how mistrusted Rhino was.

Likely Heron, but I was pretty torn between them and Mouse. My suspicions are actually alleviating on them due to out-of-thread reasons.

Because I'm on mobile until later today, and changing color is a pain on mobile.

Yep, one of my suspicions is Mouse for their comments about becoming an elim since the elims have had time to pass them a gem. The other is Mint Heron for their seeming hedgyness on their suspicion of me, not wanting to let go, but also not having any evidence for that sus read. My final one is Vulture because while I agree with their sus on Heron, their reasoning seems to be contrived. They're probably my least suspected though.

I'm sorry about my inactivity recently. I was on vacation up until Friday night, was working on building a chicken coop all day yesterday, and now I'm going to be with my grandma and my aunt and uncle as well as my cousin's up until Tuesday unfortunately. I'm going to try to get one post per cycle in, but we'll see how things go.

I'm not particularly sure who to vote for, I'm going to reread the d1 thread after posting this. For now, have some roleplay. "Sken?" Called Jimmith. He was fond of disappearing from time to time then reappearing scare him. He was a strange spren, normally, his kind stayed invisible, only appearing when necessary. But Sken often appeared on a whim. As was the case when Sken's now familiar Voidal shape appeared in front of Jimmoth, causing him to jump. "Yes?" Sken's voice was echoey and deep. "Why do the humans hunt us?" He seemed to consider it for a while. "Perhaps they wish they were like us, with carapace and infinite shape, but out of cruel jealousy, kill us instead." Jimmith nodded. "I have considered that, but have they no respect for our laws? We were first, but they hunt us, they break the laws of our house." "Most humans are not like you. They do not hold the same faith as you in the law." "Humans are strange." "Indeed." Sken disappeared while Jimmith stared off into the sun.

Extra lives are useful to the village, very useful, but guess who have to worry about dying the most? Elims. There is no confirmed village role in this game, nor is there any more important player, so grabbing a warform is sus. But not grabbing it is stupid. So we need something in between. Announcing that you are getting a warform may help the elims, but it also tells us what we're getting into when attempting to exe someone. It really depends on the situation, sometimes you just need more info, or someone to be cleared by an action, it's not like we miss out on a discussion period, just the death of a player. I was a little wrong at that point, it can be useful during any point of the game, as long as the scenario is right. I think four out of eight are elimmy, one is mostly useless to the village at large, and the other three are extremely useful to the village, even if any role can be used by the elims. I do have a character, Steel just forgot to put them up there. I might roleplay tomorrow. So, just asking, you want the elims to get all the warforms without any of the village knowing who got them because we won't be claiming in thread and therefore everyone will assume someone else is getting them, meaning no one will actually grab them, plus we won't know who grabbed them because they didn't announce they were grabbing them in thread. That idea works so well. As for making you suspect things you don't need to suspect, should we not be suspecting the people who mysteriously tank the kill for no reason, making us waste an extra cycle of we want to kill them. Or do you not want to suspect the meditationform elims who can control the exe, or the workform elims who have every reason to jump on a bandwagon, then get extra protection because a vote is removed from them. These ideas seem to be working very well, since they are resulting in two exes being taken over and several elims taking two cycles each to be killed. Those are working real well. Some good points were made about the scholarform announcement, so I am now rethinking that choice. For reference, this is a Tuatara.

Village: Singer Rebels Elims: One Fused, and Odiums Agents. Due to the existence of the Fused, I will be assuming three agents and, of course, the Fused. Everyone, other than the Fused, starts off as a dullform singer. Every cycle a highstorm will roll through during the night. During the day of that cycle, you may request a spren trapped in a gemstone from a limited number. During the high storm, you may then use an action to change forms to that type. Depending on what kind of spren you bond, you will gain a different kind of form, which will serve as your role. Slightly different from the standard every three cycles you normally see on this site. Otherwise no comment. The gemstones available from the start of the game will be provided in the writeup. In the event of gems being requested beyond their supply, RNG will be used to give it, with priority given to those not currently in a form, and to villagers. Not following restrictions will cause a return to dull form for not following the thought process of the spren. When a gemstone is used, that spren cannot be recovered. Generic forms will start off with enough gems for half of everyone to be that role. No comment. The Servants of Odium will have additional gems at their disposal, containing Voidspren with different abilities. The different roles have different thoughts and Rhythms assigned to them. As such, being in a role will provide one ability, and one drawback. No real comment here either, except to note the Voidspren. Dullform. The form the singers start off in. Dullform has no benefits or drawbacks. No comment. Mateform. A generic form. When using mateform, you will be assigned a random, but permanent PM with another person with Mateform. You cannot vote for the person who you are in a PM with. After becoming a mate with someone, you keep the PM permanently, as "once mates." This will likely be the best role for the village, and the second best for elims. Warform. Can tank a kill (including lynch) one time in the game. Cannot be recovered by gaining warform again. Must vote every day turn. This is my other reason for guessing four elims. Anyone who grabs this gemstone without announcing it is sus in my eyes. Artform. Can make a picture, or text to be added to the write up anonymously. Has to provide one RP post of 100 words minimum every cycle. This is much better for villagers and conniving elims, but I would ere on the side of villagers. Scholarform: can research a form in order to make an additional gemstone of that type, which can be given away. Each form can only be researched once per game. Must provide at least one post above 150 words per day turn. I myself will be getting this form as I am in the boat of not letting the elims have it. It will also be useful for the village as time passes. I intend to get a mateform and artform gem while in this form. Nimbleform: a generic form. You may take an additional action once per cycle. When in nimbleform, you may only have 1 gemstone at a time. A very harsh restriction, I wouldn't advise getting this role, as you can only take an additional gemstone grab (which is impossible because you would only get one gemstone), an additional PM, or one of each. The former is impossible, the latter two are not particularly useful. Workform: is a generic form. Passively removes one vote on yourself. In workform, you cannot be the only one to vote on whoever you vote on (you can, but you'll lose your form and return to dullform) This form seems very elimmy to me. Only jumping on trains and one less vote on you? Mediationform: Your vote counts as 2. You must provide a reason and accusation in tandem with their votes. (For example, I accuse Steel of being the eliminator, because he hates cats!) Also slightly elimmy, in fact, I suspect this will be used more by the elims than workform due to their respective limitations. Regal roles Putting on a regal form makes you a Servant of Odium. All servants of Odium will have a document to conspire in, where information about the Voidspren available will be provided. Any servant of Odium may submit an action to kill a person during the night. Stormform: use an action once per cycle to cancel a person’s action. Must vote every day turn. Smokeform: use an action once per cycle to follow a person and see what action they take. Cannot make any PMs. Decayform: use an action each night turn to destroy a gemstone that someone has. (This action will take place after forms are acquired). Must take an action every night turn. Mavset-Im: The Fused, and the leader of the expedition to destroy the singer rebels. With the surge of illumination, they are indifferentiable from another singer. Once per game, they may alter the eliminator kill to leave their current body, and replace any singer in the game with themselves. This kill is unblockable. When this occurs, their original body will die. However, after dying and being reborn, the Fused will become insane and will no longer be able to communicate in PMs. (as in, can be in them, but can’t say anything in them) I will not be commenting on these as it could help the elims more than the village. Generic actions (1 given action each turn) Take spren gemstone (day) Make a PM (lasts one cycle, can have up to 4 people in it) Use spren gemstone (night) Give away a gemstone Lynch mechanics: Vote during the day turn, you also have the option of voting for a “No Vote”. Person with the highest vote count will be killed. No one dies if it’s a tied vote. A interesting mechanic, one we might want to take use of later on. OoA day: lynch, take gemstone, give away gemstone, make a PM, loss of forms OoA night: Elim kill, stormform, smokeform, make a PM, Use gemstone, Decay, give away gemstone, loss of forms No comment.

Oh, good to know! I didn't foresee this.

*cough cough* HEAR YE, HEAR YE Rise the dawn of a splintered sun Over a valley of shadows. Hear the game that must be won Against the ones you oppose. Pieces on an endless board, Countless paths yet unexplored, Find the steps to victory assured, The songs of he who knows. Hatred flows across the sky, Into a valley of stone. There in silence men shall die, And forever lie unknown. Trust the one that gives the word, Fear the one that brings the sword, Kill the one that breaks the world, Atop a broken throne. *faints* Oh dear, it seems I've forgotten the rest... luckily, I wrote it down! Somewhere. I'm not entirely sure where...

I had gotten an odd vibe from all of thier early on posts, and unfortunatley there has not been too much else to go off of. This game has really decreased in activity as PM's have began opening up. I didn't really know what to make of their abrupt accusation of Amethyst Scorpion, especially so early on in the game. Again it could have been confidence still lingering from a belief that they were the main village faction. Amethyst has been consistently active, and from what I can recall they claimed forsaken early on. The consistency leads me to tentatively trust them. Coral Swan might be a bit too far into the inactivity spectrum for me to believe they're Lews. Especially since they have been pretty inactive the whole game. I'm running out of time, so Emerald Falcon Your playstyle has been throwing me for a bit of a loop this game. You are active nought that I know you are here, but you seem to have been staying under my radar pretty well. So this cycle my vote will be on you.

I feel like this game has turned into a PM game at this point, and it is making any and all analysis really difficult since all I have to work with right now is stuff posted in the earlier cycles. Using the limited information I do have, I'm going to vote on Charcoal Hyena.

I guess my biggest suspicion is Azure Mouse. If they were Lews then they would have reecieved their character in green text, which is normally associated with being the main village faction. Even in a blackout game it would be an automatic assumption. However when players all over began revealing that they were forsaken, Mouse's activity dropped off to next to nothing very quickly.

At this point with a lynch that just roleblocks the player, we are essentially all left to our own devices with finding Lews. Either as single players or small groups, players can just use their weaves on any player they wish. There isn't the same obligation to go to the thread and post arguments to try and pull the lynch the way you want it. One potentially problematic effect from that is the fact that if everyone uses kill actions of some description the player count could decrease more rapidly than normal.

Right, so unfortunately I'm not really too farmiliar with the source material for this game, which makes analysis and such a little bit harder in a game set up like this. I am however not on this list of potential forsaken players, I believe I saw the name somewhere in this thread, I am a forsaken named Lanfear

Woah, hold up here. What happened with the vote count? It went from Azure Mouse (4): Amber Vulture, Coral Swan, Indigo Weasel, Ivory Dragonfly Amber Vulture (2): Emerald Falcon, Azure Mouse Coral Swam (1): Cream Tuatara Ivory Dragonfly (1): Amethyst Scorpion to Mouse (4): Vulture, Swan, Weasel, Dragonfly Vulture (2): Mouse, Falcon Tuatara (1): Swan Dragonfly (1): Scorpion It looks as though the only changes were that the Tuatara/Swan vote got swapped somehow or by someone, and swan got two votes. I am curious to see if anyone might have an explanation for what happened there? It does make me curious to see what is going to happen as the cycles go on. @Coral Swan any thoughts on this turnout?

Coral Swan, Haven't seen you yet! how's it going? Any thoughts on the balefire speculation? This is definitely hard to wrap heads around, its like trying to do a puzzle with only a few pieces that you have to keep hidden from everyone else. We all likely have a bit different information through speculation or GM-PM's. Personally I think that we will have better luck with speculation and analysis after one cycle.

I was in the process of writing a post, got distracted, returned to it, was almost done and then the cycle closed... So a few things, in no particular order: I thought I'd seen that mentioned, but couldn't find it. Right. So someone else removed Gorilla's vote. Unless that was Gorilla doing so, I'm still a bit confused why the vote... Best I could say is that at one stage the votes were: An eliminator wanting some chaos could have put down an action to try and get a random lynch, and then just left it there. But then much later, there were a large number of players with just one vote, except Zebra with 2. It'd have made much more sense to shift the vote at that point, making an 8 way tie, and (at that point) preventing a guaranteed lynch on Zebra. So... I guess I'm just going with I'm still confused... ~ Another random thought - I wouldn't be too surprised if there were 6 sympathisers. While at 25%, it's on the larger side of things, but with highly random available actions each given cycle, there's a fair chance of extra casualties from the village getting lucky with Dustbringers. Even if 6 is too many, certainly 5. I'd be surprised if there were only 4 sympathisers this game. ~ In regards to the lynch just gone, I didn't particularly care for any of the options. Albatross feels more like a villager who's choice of target D1 was misguided, I don't think evil!Iguana would have opted for their actions D1 either, given our suspicions about role distribution, and while I still would like an answer from Toucan, I'm not necessarily suspicious of them? Just want them to actually be active. Obviously that doesn't answer the question of who would I have put a vote on though... Something I'll keep mulling over. ~ I'm going to try and post later with actual suspicions, but for the moment, I figured I'd put together a list of all the votes placed last cycle for future reference: Iguana(2): Scorpion, Rhino Toucan(1): Falcon, Iguana, Albatross Albatross(3): Crocodile, Axolotl, Swan Falcon(0): Octopus Lion(5): Falcon, Gecko, Octopus, Albatross, Vulture Rhino(0): Vulture

Dyfan piped up. "Sorry guys, got lost in my research, and time got away from me. But I have some thoughts." I'm glad you all thought my question to Toucan (and everyone else) was meaningless (less pleased no one answered my question though...). It was meant to seem that way but it really wasn't meaningless. Outside of actual preferences for the Radiant orders (which many people might not have firm opinions on anyway), people's responses are going to be influenced by their role. Even if they purposefully respond something different to their actual role, it's still a piece of data you have that might be able to make use of later if more solid info is gathered (or as people die and their roles are revealed). So yes, certainly doesn't give immediate actionable info, but it would possibly be useful in the long run. Given is seem like the majority of players could be Worldhoppers, that strategy likely won't yield any useful info at all. It seemed worth a shot at least. I was trying to work out how the vote changes made sense during the night cycle and drawing blanks. Honestly, Albatross moving a vote to prove their role claim to someone makes the most sense to me. I'd have either voted on someone else or moved someone else's vote though. I'd buy that as being thoughtless though, rather than any malicious intent. Curious about the removal of Gorilla's vote. Earlier in the cycle, Gorilla's vote had put Penguin in the lead for the lynch. At that point, it would have made sense to remove Gorilla's vote to avoid the lynch. Obviously Gorilla eventually moved their vote anyway making it irrelevant. If Penguin were still alive I'd be very curious about the identity of the Bondsmith. I'd have figured that maybe Penguin had the Bondsmith power maybe? Need to spend a bit more time processing the discussion this cycle, so l'll go do that and vote after I have done so.

So I take it then that Orlok is just a flavour kill, given they're not an animal and don't appear on the player list. And that lynch was way more exciting that I'd have expected it to be. First off, we lynched an Odium Sympathiser, and not only that, a Worldhopper? Curious what that means for the distribution of roles this game, but that's got to be a point in our favour. … Well at this point Rhino beat me to it: We also had two vote removed from Toucan, one of which found its way to Chameleon. I've got to head off again, but Toucan, I'd still like a response.