Fifth Scholar

That’s hysterical. *dies of laughter in corner* I understand this sentiment; however, inactives will be (theoretically) filter-killed at some point, and lynching them gives no solid information due to their nature of not participating. In addition, and everyone keeps missing this, we have an active Eliminator left. It’s probably within [Rath, Sart, Elandera]. I’m suspicious of them, in roughly that order (even if I’m reading Sart as more village as I look at him more closely). You should know that I strongly oppose this while we have at least one active Eliminator remaining. This is true. The wild accusations are a lot of fun. As a side note, the rest of your post is blatant defamation. If there’s an Elim among the actives, best to find them now. Later, the Elims could have very well killed all the highly trusted, active villagers, and the active Elim will be able to more or less direct the lynch. I’m not even convinced that a semiactive elim exists at this point, though my guess for one would be manukos or Burnt. Please, @Rathmaskal and @Elandera, consider your options. Would you rather find an active Eliminator now, when we have cleared people and active discussers contributing thoughts, or later, when nobody but the semiactives are left?

@Steeldancer, I’ll sell you a pair of re-dyed Odium gloves from LG43, and you can give me what you think is fair in exchange. I’ll take a Shard of Odium...oh wait, you didn’t have that, sorry...you were a Returned, though, right? I’ll take your Divine Breath for the gloves. That seems fair, wouldn’t want you to get an unfair price from any of those rug merchants out there. Oops, let Darrel take over for a moment there. Umm...so yeah, I was right when I said this: My reads on Jondesu and Snipexe were correct, and everyone here was ready to lynch both of them yesterday and call it fine. Then some others were saying to me in PM that Snip/Walin could be an elim pairing. Walin could be an elim, but now that I know we have an active Elim around I want to find them. And I think my suspect list of [Rath, Sart, Elandera] still holds, and that for the numerous reasons I’ve stated before, Rathmaskal is an Eliminator. (Also my Sart theory is looking interesting in light of new evidence, but I’ll drop it for now because I feel there are better targets.) (Also I’m taking Dalinar and Straw out of “soft-cleared” and into “village-reading.” It’s time to consider all possibilities.) (Also I’m not letting all the logical people shut me up in a mental ward when I’m finally trying to lead my so-called conspiracy theory lynches.)

Crazed, am I? We’ll see who’s crazed when you’re all murdered in your beds by Sart and Rath! And while I believe Sart may be Elim, he’s not the be-all and end-all of my suspicions. I’d much prefer a Rath lynch tomorrow. Also “gone mad from boredom” and “audacious crackpot theories” are correct—the part about me being an Eliminator is not. And yes, I do. Consider elim!Rath; he knows Devotary’s claim is likely true, because there’s no incentive for a non-Eliminator to false claim Spaniard, and the next person up for lynch is an Elim teammate. Yes, Rath might expose himself switching off Devotary and not onto Rand, but he still gets minor trust points while keeping the lynch close enough so that Rand could tie it. And he was not going to obviously be lynched next cycle—while I pushed strongly for his lynch, I was backed by basically nobody, and Bort was killed instead (also an Elim, but hey, that switch was very unexpected). So that’s fair, but at that point I was genuinely unsure, and I wanted to keep my vote in place on you because I wasn’t seeing points against Jondesu. And I’m a lot more sure that you’re an elim now than I was before—the gambit with the rum seemed designed to make me believe once and for all that you were village, and I bet you were hoping I wouldn’t ask for clarification on that. For the same reason, I’m very much leaning back into my Sart suspicion, which had gone mostly into dormancy. Both seemed to pick a group (inactives/people without vote manipulation) and say: “Hey guys! I bet all the Elims left are in this group! But guess what? I’m not! So I’m cleared!” The mostly inactive Elim team thing bugs me the most, as that’s a very good way to both pocket people and make yourself look better at the same time. I’ll be supporting a Rath lynch tomorrow. I urge everyone else to join me.

Alright, I’d like official clarification from @Steeldancer on something: is it possible for Humperdinck or the Six-Fingered Count to have a random role (rum, Dagger, parrot)? Second, not now, because it’s the Night turn, but can the Giant please claim tomorrow? One more person off the suspect list means the village is one step closer to figuring out the remaining players. Third, I disagree with the notion that we have inactive Eliminators, as they’ve certainly been sending in kills and doing other vile misdeeds, meaning there’s at least one active Eliminator. The unanimity of the Jondesu lynch makes me question its outcome, actually, because other than Jondesu himself, and me (though I know my village alignment), there was nobody opposing it. Unless Jondesu was Elim partners with somebody like Manukos or Walin, that lynch would not have gone through, or would have met more opposition, I feel. UNLESS, Sart or Dalinar or Elandera were moving in for the bus. (Rath votes in self-preservation, so I can’t count him.) The fact that my near-inactive state is still letting me post more than half the people in the game is...disconcerting. We need to not let this game taper off into inactivity.

Wow. Nobody’s really talking here. Rath, that’s wonderful. Summoning @Elandera and @Sart to switch off Jondesu, and @Mr Doctor, @Snipexe and @Dalinar Kholin to weigh in.

This is true, but you also hedge against an outcome here, instead of just noting something you saw. Here is your post: The way it’s stated is hedgy—you take care to point out that the suspicion isn’t necessarily invalid, but then continue to say “it’s worth noting,” which implies that the Randuir lynch should be more carefully considered, and potentially not happen at all. I could see village!Rath making this post, to be sure, and I’d normally ignore something like this, but with Rand’s flip anything like this is going to look more suspicious by default, and this combined with your other three posts makes me lean Elim on you. True. Have I mentioned that I don’t trust Sart? Perhaps this is a truly neutral tell, but the fact remains that your vote stayed on DoS until after the roleclaim. Pretty sure it’s any action, though I could be wrong. Again, there is heavy incentive for elim!you to keep the vote on DoS, as the alternative is elim!Rand, which you would ideally avoid. Again, the issue I have with you is that much of what you’ve done could have come from a villager, but is very beneficial to the Elims regardless of your alignment, and I’m suspecting you because I feel that enough of your actions are elim-y that you yourself could be an elim. The issue with this logic is that it’s a pretty bad mislynch if you’re just an unlucky villager, but I’m very much not seeing a solid case against anyone else. My sincere apologies if I am wrong. Indeed, and I noticed that as well. You may have created an incredibly beneficial IKYK when you pointed that out, as I likely would have eventually called you out on it, as I have now, and now that you have that post to point back to when you call it out yourself, I feel a lot less sure about my case. However, again, the simple fact that you believed Devotary’s roleclaim enough to retract away from her, but didn’t actually secure her survival by voting on Rand, with the hindsight provided by knowing both of their alignments, doesn’t look good at all. And that is something Rand didn’t call you out on, because he couldn’t without confessing, which would be a dumb kind of move. Also, to quote Rand’s analysis of you: “Rath’s response is backed by his progression [of thought].” This is already giving you a free pass, as you mentioned, but it’s also a free pass that implies “I’m reading you as village” without explicitly saying so, similar to what he did with Len. I’ll admit that you calling it out reduces its effectiveness, but it’s almost a way of giving you even more village cred, because what Eliminator in their right mind would call out a subtle way that someone else was implying that they were village? This sounds very conspiracy-theory, and I am immersed in IKYK up to my knees, but I still believe that you may be an Eliminator despite your words. Again, I’m very sorry if I’m wrong, and I’ll admit I’m fairly unsure about this, but you’re still my best guess for elim, Rath.

This is what I don’t like about Rath, mainly—the other circumstantial stuff contributes to my case but this D3 voting pattern is what makes me suspicious. The fact that he retracted from Devotary, but didn’t vote Rand to solidly move the lynch away from her when she claimed, smells of an elim trying to get village points by retracting from someone they know to be a strong village role but then voting on one of their “suspicions” to keep up the act, instead of on their Eliminator teammate who the lynch is swinging towards.

Ehh...that seems like a pretty shallow case. I’d argue that Straw was legitimately suspected at that point by many, including yourself, so while Jondesu could have been trying to swing a lynch, he could also have just been following misguided logic. I’ll certainly keep a closer eye on him, though, as the tone of that post is kinda weird. I maintain that there’s more evidence against Rath, though, so I’d urge you to reconsider your vote.

How dare you callously shatter my misconceptions about your alignment? Also, a question: why is everyone suspicious of Jondesu, and what “vote to save an elim” are you guys talking about?

I have 24 hours of activity left and counting. I will use them for maximum fun, and if that means shedding my lawful good personality and becoming chaotic good, throwing around accusations and votes like crazy, so be it. Here is my case against Rath. Things I find elim-y are in purple, while progression of thought, or things I found very village, are in orange. This is a post-by-post thing, but a bit less structured, and it condenses some posts and expands others. It was initially written on graph paper and PMed to HH with 20 minutes remaining last cycle, so it could be shared in time if I died, and given that I had about 50 minutes to write all this up initially, expect slight incoherence. Here goes: -Inactive D1 -Immediately Shadecasts me, saying there’s no way to know for certain if I was a villager, and that my cementing of the Araris vote was odd -Says his read of the D1 situation was similar to Len’s (telling?). Invokes an IKYK, and votes on me for my placement in the Araris lynch. Advises that Westley claim. -Responds to Rand and seems to distance himself from Elims by saying “I assume they have a doc…” Tells Rand Westley should claim so the village can have more info -“Realizes” info on who was killed by who is revealed in writeup, apologizes to Rand and backs off- this post and the other three smell of distancing, similar to what Rand did with Len earlier in the cycle. -Wants shorter night, corrects vote count -Asks Rand inthread what AI/NAI means-looks like more distancing. -Long rambling introductory paragraph about how people are good at hiding their alignment and that his analysis is probably wrong. Covering for himself? Says I’m suspicious for my Araris vote and that 1-2 ppl on the Araris wagon are likely Eliminators, similar to Len’s view. Agrees with CadCom that Len may be slightly suspicious. Says he has little/no read on Randuir, and that he hopes CadCom is village. Most everyone else earns a neutral read. Go look at the post if you want more detail. -A few questions about lynch mechanics. -Notes that a Dagger was used C1 to change Araris’ vote, and that Eternum voted for both lynchees. -Takes one of Mr Doctor’s quotes out of context and tries to lynch him for it. -Moves vote off Mr Doctor following pushback from him and me. Says he still agrees with some of what Len said, and that I look more neutral-y upon review despite my Araris vote. -Mentions, when Rand is up for the lynch, that he was inactive-stayed this somewhat hedgily, may have been trying to discourage a Rand lynch -Votes on Devotary side of Rand/Devotary -States Devotary vote is still his best option when challenged by her -Says Devotary claiming a role wasn’t what he was hoping for, retracts on her and votes, not on Rand, but on me -Notes Eternum votes for all lynchees -Does some vote commentary-says Dalinar’s sudden vote on Rand and Jondesu’s sudden vote on Doc were weird -Says HH read is still slight elim/neutral -Goes through reasons CadCom may have been killed. Still votes for me, does some analysis that doesn’t come to notable conclusions other than slightly shading Rand. Encourages activity, saying he doesn’t trust “the mob” -Retracts on me based on an argument of Dalinar’s -Notes my Dagger use. Explains to Rand where he had thought Rand was village reading him (seems like a pit of IKYK). Notes large # of abstentions, encourages activity. -Says he backed off on me to give himself a chance to reanalyze me—tries to shift the village focus to semiactives -Heavy read of Sart as village—shadecasts Doc12, Straw and Walin but votes Rand (looks like a bus) -Potentially staged conflict with Rand -Votes Walin, implying we should focus on semiactives, and switches to Doc eventually. Most of my points against him revolve around his interactions with Rand looking like the kind of distancing Rand did with Len, the lack of hard stances taken (for the most part), and the way he acted D3 with the Devotary/Rand lynch choices in full swing.

Wonderful. I’ll give you the chance to bus every teammate of yours. Join me in lynching Rathmaskal, not Elandera. It’s a much lower-risk lynch than immediately killing a prolific villager like Sart, and I’d rather hear more from Elandera before lynching her. Once I get the chance, I will edit my case against Rath into this post. Don’t we all Final note: I’m entering my last 24 hours of solid activity. I will be at a summer camp I didn’t plan for starting tomorrow, and the schedule is rigorous enough that I’ll barely have any time to check in here. I’ll still vote, but my reasoning will be mostly in my head and not written out for you due to time constraints. It’ll also come just after rollover, so expect anything I do to stick.

Sart, I have one question for you; would you stake your survival on the alignment of Rathmaskal? edit: Current gamestate: 14 living players 2 confirmed good (Fifth Scholar, Val) 2 soft-cleared (Dalinar Kholin, Straw) 1 neutral inactive (Elbereth) 6 questionable actives (Sart, Rathmaskal, Mr Doctor, Jondesu, Snipexe, Elandera) 3 mostly-inactives (Walin, Manukos, Burnt) The way this division splits the players means that the first five are essentially confirmed villagers. The last nine could be Elims. And I could see any of them being paired teammates. That means there are 9C2, or 36, possible pairings. Therefore, in 15 of these pairings, there is at least one Eliminator. In 1 of them, the answer to the game lies. I’m going to try to narrow our field of suspects further. Mr Doctor’s general analysis and effort, the progression of thought he’s shown, and the time he’s been willing to put in demonstrate a village mindset to me, so I will tentatively strike him from the list. Snipexe feels like a mislynch waiting to happen, as does Jondesu. If I ignore these people, as well as the semiactives, that gives me Rath, Sart and Elandera. Of these three, I feel the best about lynching Sart, though Rath is a close second. I would be happy with a lynch on either. Also—since it’s early in the day cycle, I’d like the giant to claim. It’s late enough in the game that it will make a big difference if it’s done early in the cycle, to give plenty of time for a counterclaim to arise, but we’re far enough into the late game that one claim will be worth the target it puts on the claimant’s back, simply for the information it will give us.

I’m enjoying my last two minutes of life in Florin. Plaristocrates say: Look at Sart very closely.

The question isn’t whether or not I’m paranoid. The question is whether I’m paranoid and right, or paranoid and wrong. And the facts all line up! You, Sart, voted on Roadwalker, trying to kill him, shortly before he was slain by filthy Eliminators! I know what you will say! You will claim that the Elims were trying to cast suspicion on you as a part of a grand conspiracy. But you ignore the real conspiracy—the deep cover conspiracy, the IKYK within an IKYK, as you kill the person you verbally suspected hoping it will draw suspicion away from you, by the village going the first level but no farther! Filthy Humperdinck, treacherous scum! You, Sart, killed two Eliminators out of self-preservation! I know what you will say! You will claim that you are a villager, afraid of being mislynched, and that the votes on the Eliminators were simply a way to escape the noose. But you ignore the real conspiracy—the deep cover conspiracy, the IKYK within an IKYK, as you condemn your teammates to death so that you, filthy Elim that you are, may gain towncred and become near impervious to the lynch, the village’s only kill, as well as retaining your alignment scanning abilities. Filthy Humperdinck, treacherous scum! You, Sart, were village-read by Randuir consistently, right up until his death! I know what you will say! You will claim that Rand was structuring his heavy townreads to pocket different villagers, and to attract the wrong kind of attention to the people on his list! But you ignore the real conspiracy—the deep cover conspiracy, the IKYK within an IKYK, as Rand village-reads you knowing that the village will clear you for it, thinking Rand was secretly trying to cast suspicion, when they should have gone one level deeper! I see your outrageous lies for what they truly are! Filthy Humperdinck, treacherous scum! Rotten to the core and covered with a fair skin! FILTH! *incoherently mumbles to himself* *retreats into corner* (I hope that was dramatic enough)

Dang. I had a beautiful post lined up, but it got eaten by the site. I’ll repost it tonight, as it’s too late now.

Basically 4 votes on Doc and my vote on Sart. And I realize this sounds very conspiracy-theory, but for some reason I believe it. I suppose if nobody else agrees then we could go ahead and kill Doc.

Voting History of Living Players. Nothing below this line should count as a vote or retraction. Green=confirmed village. Red=confirmed elim. Walin: Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain Elephant Earwax/Manukos: Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain HH: Araris Valerian, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Randuir Snipexe: Sart, Abstain, Abstain, Sart, Abstain Fifth: Araris Valerian, Elephant Earwax/Manukos, Straw, Randuir, Randuir Jondesu: Abstain, Abstain, Doc12, Abstain, Straw Doc12: Araris Valerian, Abstain, Devotary of Spontaneity, Abstain, Abstain Dalinar: Abstain, Abstain, Randuir, Bort, Randuir Straw: Abstain, Sart,Devotary of Spontaneity, Abstain, Randuir Mr Doctor: Abstain, Abstain, Eternum/Drake, Sart, Randuir Val: Devotary of Spontaneity, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain Sart: Roadwalker,Elenion, Randuir, Bort, Randuir, Coop/Elandera: Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Walin Mark/Burnt: Walin, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain Elbereth: Abstain, Eternum/Drake, Abstain, Abstain, Abstain Rathmaskal: Abstain, Fifth, Fifth, Abstain, Randuir (I’m seriously voting/retracting now) Doc12. His voting record is definitely the worst. So why am I retracting? Because I know exactly how he feels. He’s likely just had a suspicion or two wrong and is getting strung up for it. I’ve mislynched way more than he has in the past, and was still village. You know who we need to look at? Dalinar. That voting record is way too squeaky clean. Same with Sart’s—his only bad vote was the one on Roadwalker, and that was cast when it was still believed Road was Max. And who was hit by the Elim kill that cycle? Yep, him. In addition, the fact that those two have voted on the correct side of every single lynch they’ve meaningfully contributed to is almost too perfect. I’m willing to kill one of them to find out if we have a pair of very aggressive bussers on our hands. Because if we do, we’ll have likely lost the game by the time we suspect them. Actually, not Dalinar, Sart. The way Rand kept emphasizing his cleared nature makes him more suspect in my eyes.

Every post, that anyone made, referencing Rand. Every post Rand made. (Not even joking, though I only got through Rand’s posts for now. He’s very prolific) Shakespearean line notation is used throughout. If you wanted to find Rand’s twelfth post of the first cycle, enter in “I.i.12” in the “find in page” on Google Chrome and you should find it quickly. As this is more of a collection or glossary than my own personal analysis, you won’t see many of my thoughts in here. Warning: random quotes from Macbeth may suddenly appear. Section I: Randuir’s posts Section I, Part i: Cycle 1 I.i.1. Remarks on random voting. Distancing with Elenion, poking him to get “game discussion” about Elim numbers and LyLo. Remarks on Max being more useful to the Elims than to the villagers. Wishes for giant to claim if they’re about to be lynched (probably so they can elim kill him). I.i.2. Explains acronyms, and quickly retracts his Len vote. Comments on elim numbers which were almost certainly WIFOM. Asks for a rule clarification. I.i.3. Tries to provoke discussion on whether or not Westley should use their kill to double-tap lynched people, particularly getting a response from Len. Tells Araris that he wanted to start in-game discussion. I.i.4. Continues to clarify his position on Westley using their kill on the person lynched, in response to Len. Not much to glean here considering that kill vanished at the start of cycle 2. I.i.5. Responds to Bugsy and accuses him of opportunism in his “accusation” of Araris starting the whole Len/Araris/Bugsy/Rand debacle, which we can actually look at clearsightedly now that we know the alignments of everybody involved. Basically tries to get someone to start a Bugsy mislynch. I.i.6. Agrees with an analysis of Doc12’s. Hedges his position on Len for the first time, and distances from Bort (calling him out for a vote on Walin that randomly tied Walin for first). This gives me a slightly better read of Walin. I.i.7. Remembers to submit his iocane orders (more’s the pity). Calls out people who haven’t contributed game thoughts, such as Kidpen, in order to maintain an activity-encouraging village façade. I.i.8. Again attempts to draw suspicion away from Len, asking Bugsy why Araris or Len would act so aggressively as Elims with their votes on him. I.i.9. Says it is in Eliminator interests to fake progression of thought (wouldn’t he know). Tells Bugsy that a “setup” for an Araris vote would help elim!Bugsy. I.i.10. “Backs off” on suspicions of Bugsy after a comment of mine. I.i.11. Asks Bugsy, in essence, whether it’s more suspicious for a person to be pushing a mislynch for a long time, slowly building up to it, or spontaneously joining it with decent reasoning. In my view, it looks like he’s trying to help out Len, who had “spontaneously” joined the Bugsy lynch. I.i.12. Analyzes some people. Walin: reads him as neutral. Finds his comment about Max strange. Araris: mildly village-reads. Not much to glean here. CadCom: criticizes him for his Straw vote and retraction, which may have bearing on Straw’s alignment? Eternum: claims he doesn’t like his vote. Elenion: hedges his read and distances Roadwalker: believes his Max claim Doc12: Neutral-reads, says he likes Doc’s analysis. Bugsy: Posts a lot of fluff then says that he mildly suspects Bugsy. After all his analysis Rand votes CadCom, away from the main lynch, and gives five suspects in order from his greatest to least suspicion, the first four of which are village and the fifth is Len. Yay for distancing. I.i.13. Posts a fluffy post that moves his read on Bugsy to neutral and signs off. I.i.12-13: The Three Witches: “Fair is foul, and foul is fair;/ Hover through the fog and filthy air.” [N1 start] I.i.14. Noncommittal response to Araris lynch. Pokes CadCom and Eternum to explain certain votes. Says if Araris flips Elim (doesn’t matter). Says if Araris flips village he wants to examine the voters on him. Likely no more than one Elim in that group. I.i.15. Response to Doc12 about what’s AI for him. Not much to glean here. I.i.16. Asks me why I felt it was necessary to lock in an Araris vote. [End N1] Section I, Part ii: Cycle 2 I.ii.1. Says he would have expected the Elims to try to shift the conversation away from the Bugsy/Len/Araris exchange if there was an Elim among them. Tries to draw suspicion away from Len and onto CadCom. I.ii.2. Compliments Mr Doctor on his analysis. Says his neutral stance was the result of a narrowly focused D1. Responds to some of Doctor’s points and there’s nothing to glean about currently-alive players there. I.ii.3. Responds to Eternum, telling him he thought Eternum’s vote on Araris was serious. I.ii.4. Advocates against Westley claiming. Does reads on a few people: Walin: maintains his neutral read. Bort: neutral read, asks him if he thought the Araris lynch had merit. EE: “Hasn’t posted much, please be active” kind of read. Thanks for all the neutral reads, Rand! I.ii.5. Says confirmed villagers are easy elim kill targets. That’s very true from the pattern of kills so far. I.ii.6. More reads. CadCom: neutral read, says his analysis of me is fair, asks CadCom what made him conclude I was Elim Devotary: slight elim read for protecting Araris and accusing Bort. Eternum: Slight elim read for his flip-flopping on the Araris vote. HH: Lists a bunch of village-y stuff then puts him down as neutral. This readslist is also, currently, basically useless. I.ii.7. More reads, a bit more useful. Snipexe: Lists as neutral, wants opinions from him outside of Sart. Fifth: Says my Araris vote is odd but more likely to come from a villager. Says I’m evil if Bugsy is, and that I hadn’t been directly reading anyone. Final conclusion is of course neutral. Jondesu: Another neutral read, wants to see more AI stuff from him. Asks for a clarification. Len: Does another hedgy analysis of him that winds up being a “slight elim” read. I.ii.8. Says he doesn’t disagree with Eternum that Len’s village read on Araris was strange. I.ii.9. Says he doesn’t care if Cycle is extended, announces inactivity for next two days. I.ii.10. More reads. Doc12: Says he needs to keep a “close eye” on him, says tone is good but everything else is neutral. Dalinar: Neutral from lack of content, pokes him to say more. Bugsy: Another neutral read, says he feels better about him now than initially. HH: Modifies read to slight village because he knew Roadwalker was Max. Straw: Slight elim read for lack of content despite many posts. I.ii.11. Final reads. Mr Doctor: Says he’s insightful but that certain things are making him paranoid. Puts him as neutral. Rebecca/Coop/Val/Mark/Rathmaskal: Says too little content to get an actual read. Also draws neutral reads on Sart and El. Proceeds to complain about general inactivity. Says elim reads are Devotary, Straw, Len, Eternum in order. Votes Devotary and hedges his read on Len a bit more. I.ii.9-11. The Sergeant: “Doubtful it stood/As two spent swimmers that do cling together/And choke their art.” I.ii.12. Says he’s trying to keep a wide focus before voting on anyone. [Start of N2] I.ii.13. Asks people to be active voters, and promises later analysis of the end of N1. [End N2] Section I, Part iii: Cycle 3 I.iii.1. Complains about votes on him while he’s unable to respond. Votes Jondesu for clearing both him and Devotary. I.iii.2. Votes Devotary to send the lynch to iocane. [Begin N3] I.iii.3. Joke post. I.iii.4. Says he has no problems with an extended cycle. I.iii.5. Suggestion for how to extend cycle. I.iii.6. Responds to Bugsy’s post about why Westley should claim early. Clarifies his positions on HH and Devotary, two basically confirmed villagers. Defends his vote on Devotary. Requests that people begin to vote more. Asks a ton of questions which basically say “don’t lynch me.” Nothing really notable in the questions themselves, I’ll look at answers in the “reactions to Rand” section. I.iii.7. First Witch: “‘Aroint thee, witch!’ the rump-fed runnion cried.” [End N3] Section I, Part iv: Cycle 4 I.iv.1. Comments on how quickly people believed the roleclaim by Devotary. Supports Bort, then looks at the four people that believed Devotary’s claim. Gives a pass to Rath and Dalinar, complains about Sart’s vote switch but doesn’t really pursue him, and accuses me for trusting Devotary too quickly. I.iv.2. Says he would false-claim as an elim if he was up for a lynch, which is a lie because he never claimed giant. Says the timing of Devotary’s claim led him to distrust it, not the claim itself. This post is mostly useless for current reads. I.iv.3. Says he’s been analyzing broadly because it’s hard for him to narrow down the pool of suspects. Promises later analysis of Elenion. I.iv.4. Acknowledges my long case against him, not really defending himself but just saying “my hedginess was how I actually felt,” then immediately pivots to an accusation against me for “dropping” my suspicions of Len D2. Votes on me for this apparent lack of suspicion I exhibit, and for trusting Devotary’s claim. Reads Straw’s interactions with Len as NAI. I.iv.5. Responds to some of my points against him, saying I had never definitively stated a read on Len during cycle 2. Keeps pushing the narrative that I had prior information about Devotary’s flip and was therefore able to believe her claim more easily, and says the timing of her claim would be convenient for Elim!Devotary. Explains why he voted so late. I.iv.6. Clarifies a question from Mr Doctor, and advises against analyzing individual elim kills, which makes me think we should start doing that. I.iv.7. First real defense of himself—says he hedged Len’s alignment because he was genuinely unsure and says elim!Rand would have bussed Len. Tries to drag the discussion away from him in the final paragraph citing a desire to “move on and catch an elim” to prove himself as cleared. I.iv.8. Short analysis of Rath/Jondesu. Reads Rath as slightly village due to lack of suspicious comments or interaction with Len. Says he wants to keep an eye on Jondesu’s voting behavior to draw clues on his alignment. [Start of N4] I.iv.9. Apologizes for like 8 hours of inactivity. Proceeds to speculate on different outcomes of Bort lynch. Says if Bort flips Elim then Dalinar, Drake, and Sart are cleared, with Rath looking better and Snipexe looking worse. Asks Rath why he retracted from me, and asks Snip and Mr Doctor if they remembered Sart’s position in the Len wagon. Kinda makes me want to look very closely at Sart. I.iv.10. Disagrees with Mr Doctor’s analysis of ties being more useful to the villagers than to Eliminators. Goes on for a while about this, saying he would break a tie if he had to. Says it’s fair to suspect him if Bort flipped Elim. Says the elim team may be poorly coordinated, so my Dagger usage is not AI for me. Continues to push for my lynch on the grounds that I somehow dropped my suspicions on Len D2. I.iv.11. Emphasizes that lynching actives grants more information than lynching inactives. I.iv.13-16. King Duncan: “There’s no art/To find the mind’s construction in the face./He was a gentleman on whom I built/An absolute trust.” [End N4] Section I, Part v: Cycle 5 I.v.1. States a few assumptions about the elim team which seem heavily WIFOM. Says Dalinar/Drake/Sart are cleared, focusing on Sart, which again makes me want to look at him. Says he was puzzled by Snipexe’s vote movement, but that it wasn’t really AI. Votes Straw for his relative inactivity and his position in the Sart/Len vote exchange. Says Walin, Jondesu and Doc would fit the profile of a low-activity elim. Walin: gives a neutral read, calling Bort’s vote on him WIFOM. Jondesu: puts at slight elim for his conclusion that both Rand and Devotary were villagers. Doc12: Commends him for his early game analysis, then states that Doc’s inactivity issues seem genuine, and says he has a “hard time” seeing Doc as Elim. After this he decides to ask me whether I’m familiar with pocketing, insinuating that was what Bort had done. I.v.2. In response to my point, grasps at straws for reasons Bort may have pocketed him. Not helpful to current reads. I.v.3. In response to Jondesu, asks to see examples of one of Jondesu’s crazy conspiracy theories. I.v.4. In response to Drake, points back at an earlier post in which he accused Straw. Promises later analysis on me and a few others. I.v.5. Responds to Doctor’s post about new Elims, saying they are more likely to have slightly increased activity by virtue of having their team support them. Says it’s harder to track because newer players in general have playstyles that are difficult to quickly pin down. Clarifies to Jondesu that he suspects Jon because he showed too much information, not too little. I.v.6. Does a review of me where he backtracks a bit from his earlier stance, but says he’ll still keep a close eye on me. Analyzes Bort’s analysis of the Araris wagon, and says that Doc12, HH and I look clear because Rand doubts Bort would have drawn attention to the wagon if it wasn’t mostly pure. Big pit of IKYK here. Fluffily states that Bort’s interactions with Walin are somewhat suspicious but still IKYK. Pokes Straw, encouraging him to be active, and asks Rath and Jondesu if they would still vote on him if it wasn’t just a choice between him and Straw. I.v.7. Asks Straw if he has anything to say beyond his vote in self-preservation. I.v.8. Signs off and urges people to be active and interact with others and other village sounding meaningless words. I.v.45-47: Lady Macbeth: “The raven himself is hoarse/That croaks the fatal entrance of Duncan/Under my battlements.” That took a long time. I’m relying on others to pick up on this. If you find a post or quote by Rand that you think needs further attention, go look it up to get the whole thing and do some analysis. If you find a quote from Macbeth that you liked, go read the play. Or watch it. I have provided a beginning. You all must continue.

As Stick already said, an SE Lexicon already exists in the main rules, and while it could certainly be updated if we feel that it’s missing a few words or phrases, I’m not sure we need a separate thread for a glossary that’s already mostly covered there. Many of the terms others have been bringing up (WGG, bussing, IKYK, tunneling) are already listed there in detail, so I don’t think they need to be rehashed. Perhaps keep this thread open as a suggestion for terms that could be added, and then close it, or just merge this with the Q&A/Meta thread? The one point this does bring up is that even though we may have a resource, such as the Lexicon list, it’s not always easily accessible. Even if you had read through the rules thread a few times, you could certainly be forgiven for forgetting the Lexicon list is in there (and in fact I had mostly forgotten about it until Stick brought it up). I’m wondering if there should be some sort of archive or resource hub where this and similar resources could be easily accessed, though the Rules thread does a fairly good job of containing pretty much everything vitally important. @little wilson @Seonid @Alvron @Orlok Tsubodai You four have the most say when it comes to something like this. What are your opinions? Should there be a “community resources” location specifically for things like the Lexicon list and links to the GM and SE stat spreadsheets, or is that too narrow a category to merit a new thread? The issue here doesn’t seem to be the lack of resources, merely that they’re sometimes hard to find and/or access.

I am currently focused on Rand’s old posts but I do harbor vague suspicion of Jondesu, though I kinda forgot why. Once I’m done with Rand I’ll look at him.

Random thought: I think the remaining Elims are Doc12 and Jondesu. I’m still trudging through Rand’s posts and I’m two cycles and 30 posts in. I will post a final “library” of his posts when I’m done, conveniently numbered for ease of browsing via “find in page” on Google Chrome. This will likely change later as I look at Rand’s posts more, but for many of the reasons Elandera said, Doc12.

I am feeling in the mood for some vindication, after leading a lynch on a vocal Eliminator who probably would have let us mislynch our way through his choice of semiactives. I think Straw is also vindicated by the way Rand attempted to push a mislynch on him. I’ve been much harder to pocket this game, having rebuffed two Elims who were trying to get me on their good side, which makes me paranoid that there is an Elim who’s pocketing me so well I don’t know who they are >>. That said, unfounded paranoia isn’t the best way to play SE, so moving on. Something else to draw from this: tone, apparent effort, and seeming lack of concern about a lynch are not inherently village. Those three things made me nearly retract from Rand towards the end of last round, and I’m glad I didn’t. Now if you’ll excuse me, I just got a huge pile of information to sift through with that flip, so I’ll just be vanishing into the main thread for the next three hours. @Hemalurgic Headshot You’re technically in drama. You should know how to be dramatic.

If I make a few assumptions about certain players, the shortlist of possible remaining Eliminators includes: Walin, Manukos, Snipexe, Jondesu, Doc12, Straw, Mr Doctor, Elandera, Burnt Spaghetti, Rathmaskal. Out of these, I am village reading both Docs and Rath, leaving Walin, Manukos, Snipexe, Jondesu, Straw, Elandera, and Burnt as my suspects. Many of these people are on here simply from reduced or minimal activity, while others I find actively suspicious. I would support a lynch within [Straw, Walin, Jondesu] tomorrow, and might join a lynch on either of the Docs if anyone has compelling evidence against them, as my village reads on them are mostly from tone.

Dalinar, while I too trust Sart, I will not completely rule out the possibility of a well-timed bus or two. While our village read of Sart may be 99%, and we might have good reasons for it, pushing it up to 100% without hard evidence, such as a scan or alignment flip, is foolish. On the contrary, Elims will attach to sinking-ship villagers to gain trust and credit-they wouldn’t necessarily move to pocket the player, but defending someone who ends up flipping village, against a host of people accusing that person, can give an Elim a lot of village cred. Also, I am still suspicious of Rand, which is why my vote is still on him. Stop pocketing me, Rand. You aren’t helping the fact that I’m trying to maintain an Elim read on you. I’m mostly succeeding, but your tone is throwing me off, even if that’s a terrible reason to townread someone.

I am very torn between this game and a Fall of Gondolin game Ecth and I cobbled together...but I’ll go ahead and officially give my pass to @Jondesu. If any of the other people with passes want to give one to Ecth’s game, they certainly could.