MonsterMetroid

@MonsterMetroid, given what people have later said about Ruin's actions specifically being non-village, why do you claim here that removing Braize was a village action? Its a great question. Originally I assumed it was village because I thought village wouldnt want a kill action but with everyone pointing out that Ruin might have just wanted to ensure they were the only ones with a kill action I am not so sure anymore. I was originally thinking this was a way to prevent hoid and khriss from using braize with their followers to pick off more people discretely though was my original thinking. @Strawwhy do you feel that the Sand lord would be a better lynch target than someone that would give us information about alignments this cycle?

I agree with rand but I would love to hear more from fifth this round Also does anyone see Shanerocks on any of the world docs? If he is inactive thats one thing but if he is just pretending to be inactive that's quite a different thing. ------ Willie couldn't believe it Containment was worse than he could have imagined! The shards of breached containment units laid strewn about and the outer wall had a huge hole in it leaving dust and debris all of the floor. It was no wonder that security let Willie in cause they sure weren't going to clean this dump. Willie was no scholar but he understood why people had wanted in here, they wanted the power of the gods. At that Willie shook his head as he dipped his mop into some water "An' they say cleanliness is next tae godliness." Not to these new gods apparently

Ok if it is health issues then I apoligize and will remove my vote... but I am watching you Orlok

I guess I will poke the bear... I am suspicious of @Orlok Tsubodai and I believe he may have been converted, or become one of the new heads of elims for the following reasons The first cycle of the first game he has a great idea with everyone listing their suspicions as the game goes on but he never brought it up for this game. He has seem uncharacteristically detached from this game, initially I thought maybe it was RL but he has been in PM's a lot lately and shown online quite a bit. He removed his vote and didn't place it on anyone else though he did know there was a strong possibility of a no-lynch. This one is kind of a low blow reason but, he is Orlok, If I was an elim I would try to convert him for fear he would find me out early otherwise. These things added together make me feel the need to get this out into the open earlier rather than later.

Well from what I can conclude I dont think Odium is in elims hands as I dont see any reason he wouldnt kill anyone if he was in elim hands, this doesnt mean he has completely village intentions though as he might have wanted to shatter cultivation and it got released before he could. Ruin seems somewhat village due to them removing Braize as quickly as possible. The tough part is does ruin try to remove another planet if he does I would have to assume the shardic intent would be in full effect if it isn't already. That means he will probably nee to pass the shard if he doesn't want to get overwhelmed. Is anyone on Roshar currently? If so it might be good to note who is there so we can have an idea of possible people with investiture to kill seeing how both odium and ruin were released the first night the only way for people to obtain that investiture would be roshar or hemalurgy. As for elim reads... I need to go back and look for patterns. It feels like another day one with no-one having died yet. @Seonidwould we know if anyone was attacked if they were protected by extra lives or abilities?

I was thinking they would target people with strong village leans or people they find out have lots of PM networks.

He told us it was to remain alive with the shard in his possession at the end of the game. @ArinianI guess I will just wait for your reread then. Does that mean you never got the notification that I put in the post I voted for you then?

Oh sorry I should have put a sarcasm face on my statement I was. No I actually agree with you fully and think it is good to bring up now because like you said we cant put much pressure on him besides the lynch and so have less at this bargaining table than others. Speaking of EVIL do you have any comment on my allegations yesterday?

He will mention us tomorrow when it is lynch time again I'm pretty sure.

Ok so it definately appears to me that whoever holds autonomy plans on obtaining the intent of the shard based on how quickly they moved out and placed an aspect. WOuld anyone like to share who is on nalthis currently?

I just wanted to point out that cultivation doesn't have to be in all PM's that they create. I guess Personally I am afraid that if we don't release cultivation then it will be shattered and Odium will become much harder to counter should it be in less savory hands. To this same end I actually would like both cultivation and dominion to be released tonight but rand has a good point that it will prevent a high amount of villagers from getting investiture if we focus so I am not sure what is the best move here... and unfortunately I think it will only become apparent what is the best move to make after we see what the various players do tonight.

Nope I cant do that as we need a lynch, I will just try to make it so it is not you.

I already said I wasnt going to vote for you day 1 *shrug* so not much else to say

Welp either he is as familiar with the rules as the GM or he is being honest... Hey Odium you want to scan him and let us know? it would give you some village cred

Though this is an interesting development if it is true to see what happens. Though if what you said is true did you get autonomy or odium as a result Pyro?

Since he would be a shard he has an extra action orlok Edit: though if what you said is true did you get autonomy or odium as a result?

Are you claiming to be survival still? you do know that odiums attack still shatters shards even if you do survive unless honor protects you right?

Ok I accept your statement with the amendment I definitely agree with Sart and Elbereth (and ninja'd orlok) though and even against the council of 5th wanting me to lynch him I don't see it would gain us much information as I am pretty sure that this turn they are village (which mean s with their village cred they might be a good Conversion candidate but thats not here or now) given the worse case assumption that the 4 shards are not planning on remaining village and hoid and khriss both converted people last night that don't hold shards that are 8 non villagers for long term purposes. That is quite a few. My guess is that there are less than that with some overlap in one area or another or not quite four elim's yet. Still we have a decent chance to hit someone for information so I think a no lynch this cycle would be a mistake. I'm not quite sure what the current vote totals are but I am still not quite sure what the deal with HH is right now as nothing particularly stood out to me by their posts one way or another(is it just because they brought up the lynch or no lynch discussion?). Fifth I already said I don't see a reason to lynch as information would be pointless, and Pyro I already said I dont want to lynch someone day one that is new. That kind of means I dont want to go after any of the current top candidates I guess unless someone explains the HH thing to me. For now I will place my vote on Arinian He was the first to vote for no lynch and has been acting quite a bit more reserved than usual and it feels like he is trying to fly under the radar. @Arinian

Woah I dont want noone claiming because we do not want survival or odium in elim hands.

Actually this is something I have seen a couple times now and it isnt true... I was going to wait until the night cycle to bring it up but we can get rid of Odium. I double checked with Seonid and Dominion can indeed redirect Odiums own action to Odium and Odium in turn would shatter himself.

I guess you better play your ace then just in case.

Oh thanks for the response devotary I missed it sandwiched between pyromancer posts. I have to agree with Magestar, even if Pyro is an elim I dont really want to lynch him day one. Day two I think we can definitely talk about it, but day one lynching a new player leaves a bad taste in my mouth personally. gosh dang it fifth I was thinking about voting for you then you pull this crap... It is either a huge gamble or exactly what you say it is but I guess either way it is sort of a NAI post... I need to think about this more.

If it makes you feel better I kind of want to lynch you just in case you do have Odium. But I know thats a really bad reason to lynch someone so yeah

Yes yes you did bravo. might be a bit tunnely but does have very good points

I'm not gonna lie... I'm kind of suspicious of everyone and I don't trust anyone but I don't have any suspicions over others this round since the reset. I do find it tough to believe that steeldancer forgot to put in an action last night personally. We can put him back into containment we can get him to someone that wont use him and hoid cant use him besides his scanner ability. Plus I disagree Odium frankly is a threat and IMO the biggest threat to the fun of this game because shattered shards aren't fun. @Orlok Tsubodai I would like to hear your read on fifth scholar. I'm just starting to realize how tough this game is for the 17th cause you cant really trust anyone permanently and everything is shifting moment to moment away from 17s and there is no way to reclaim someone who has had their win con converted one way or another. @Devotary of Spontaneity you mentioned up above why you were voting for HH I just want to make sure I understand is it because he said ruin and odium were the only source of night kills for the village and he forgot roshar or am i missing something? If anyone else wants to mention why they are voting for sometone I would love a little catch me up because I feel way behind on some of these accusations and reads.