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@Starla this is good post and I feel like everyone had a great input. I know a lot of people where annoyed at Kaladin being "Superman" in the previous books, I didn't mind it at all, but it was good to see other people take care of him for a change. How Adolin took him after he blocked in battle, how Rock saved him and how Syl said that he should let someone else save him, those were really touching moments for me. I don't think he hates himself like Teft, Shallan or others, but he definetly doesn't love himself. So I liked that he got a break from saving everyone to focus a bit more on working on himself and I feel like he is starting to be a bit more forgiving with himself. Unfortunately as the books progress I think we'll see less of him, as different charaters will need more page time. One thing that bothered me in OB in regards with his character : I got the vibe that he was being groomed for something else, like ascending or becoming Honor or something along those lines, which I don't want to see. I want him to find hapinness and peace, not eternal(not even that) life.

I think I am heading that way as well. Though I don't know if it's because the huge expectations I had from the book, that weren't 100% fullfilled or some things that just bothered me. I... enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It's been already a day since I finished it and I have to give it a bit more thought, but leaving aside the romance part that didn't live up to my expectations there were too many parts of the book(compared with the others) that I had a problem with, for this to be my perfect Sanderson read. I mentioned this on another post but : Szeth appeareance and how easy everyone went with it after he tried the whole previous book to kill Dalinar, Moash's arc mirroring Kaladin's and his character/ chapters in general, the whole part 5 as a single battle scene and the many POVs (I usually don't have a problem with changing POVs so quickly and it gets me on the edge on other books, but for some reason.. here it didn't work that much), Syl and Pattern mostly being absent from the dialogue in parts 3-4 (or at least that s how it felt at that point), Shallan's mental problems not getting a proper closure (IMO). In this more than in other books it felt like.. too many things were happening. Which I don't have a problem with usually, but part 2 felt a bit too long and parts 1, 3 and 4 felt like 3 mini books, instead of being part of a full one, if that makes sense. I think I enjoyed more each part, than the overall feeling. While I was reading , I often found myself thinking "when is it going to be mindblowing???". Compared to other Sanderson's books it didn't blew me away. I know this might be an unpopular opinion. I don't know if it's because I anticipated it too much or because I had a lot of expectations going in or I was much more aware of every important little detail. It was a bit too fragmented for me, but I will have to give it some rereads. I found WoK really slow the first time I read it, but on the rereads I flew through it and enjoyed it much more. I would give it and 8 for the moment, WoR is still my favourite.

You know how sometimes you want to go to the seaside, but you end up in the forest? I like both, sometimes I'm more in the mood for one or the other, but it the end I just wanna have a good time. I think it's time for me to stop with the metaphors

My food metaphor was : don't promise me perfect italian oven pizza, only to give me frozen cheap one but I decided on the boat/sweaty bus journey.

@SLNC Hahah! Thank you ! I am catching up with the posts on the forum, but I also agree with you on a lot of points you made. The chasm scene was also one of my favourite scenes from the series and from what Brandon has written, as well ! This is why all of this is so painfull. Why tease me with that only for nothing more exciting to happen ? It created to much anticipation and now dissapointment, that I can't look at it with the same eyes. Ok, no development on the Shallan and Kaladin front, but give me something that powerful from Shallan and Adolin at least. Not only hihihi hahaha. Anyway.. It will take me a while to accept this. At this point, I don't want any other promises of something more, because it hurts to much to be dissapointed even when I tried as much as I could to be in the middle.

@Dreamstorm funny, because I totally agree with the other post you made Probably the only thing I enjoyed out of this, was Shallan telling she's not a prize. I am glad she made that clear. That being said, I feel like the wedding was rushed and had no purpose in this book rather than "seal the deal" and make it clear this was it. It especially annoyed me when she said that after the rushed wedding of Navadni and Dalinar everyone wanted a proper Alethi wedding. You could've at least saved that for the beginning of the next book and show us something as well ! Also, "proper wedding" to Shallan means getting married after 3-4 months of knowing eachother, while you are still all over the place with your emotions and being attracted to two people at the same time. Huh! If it's that easy, then I should've gotten married long ago. Anyway. Glad to see I am not the only one thinking this could've been more

OK. So you know how you have a destination and you imagine yourself getting to that on a nice boat, in the sun, sipping some wine, maybe some big waves, but in the end everything works out and you get where you want ? THIS WASN'T IT. This was a journey in an extracrowded bus, full of sweaty stranges on a torrid 40 degree summer day. This is how I would summarize this journey , even if the destination is enjoyable. I haven't read many other replies, but this post has been boiling in me like Oathbringer in Dalinar, so I have to let it out. Maybe I will be to harsh or mean, but at this moment I am really mad. I was one of the people who was all in for this love triangle, I was anticipating it so much and I was advocating that whatever Brandon will write it will be a satisfying conclusion. Scratch that. My problem isn't with Shallan and Adolin getting together, but with Brandon. God knows how I love this man and his books, he is by far my favourite author, but with this he blew it for me. I am dissapointed because I felt like I have been promised something, but there was never the intention of being given that certain thing. And I am mad because Brandon has never been the guy to promise something and then not deliver it. The only things that I've had problems with in Brandon's previous books so far, where female characters and romances and up until OB everything was improving so much. The tension he created when it came to romance, the female characters, everything screamed great for me. I don't really understand what was the point of Kaladin in this whole thing. Why create so much tension between two characters and then not commit to any of it?! Teasing without giving anything is no fun. Why not even adress it between those certain characters?! I didn't want Shallan and Kaladin to end up together. Half way through the book I was still undecided on who I prefer and then the whole Kholinar bussiness happened and I was only thinking "God, this girl really needs a therapist, not a relationship". I loved Wit being the one that was there to teach Shallan to pick herlself up and I feel like that was scratched when Shallan decided to be with Adolin because he made her stable. Don't get me wrong, I understand how a person can make you feel better, but I was really hoping Shallan whould achieve that on her own, not through a romantic relationship. The way I read it, especially at the end when the switches between Shallan/Veil/ Radiant made my head hurt, was that Adolin was an ancor for her and I don't support the idea of placing the responsability of your mental health on another person. That will always end up bad. I was a bit afraid at one point that if Kaladin ended up with Shallan, it will be because "she makes the darkenss go away". If I got a penny for everytime I fell for that line, I wouldn't have had to pay anything for this book. So, I am glad that at least that didn't happen. There was absolutely NO conflict in Shallan's and Adolin's relationship. NONE whatsoever. The multiple personas thing is Shallan's conflict and it didn't creat a real stuggle to their relationship. I don't feel like they progressed in any way. I was expecting to see Adolin's commitment issues adressed, have something that felt like a real milestone or have her seen from his point of view. To show to the reader why he likes her, why they are right together. Show me, not tell me. Instead it was all the same from the beginning. They got to know eachother better, but no spice, nothing exciting. Instead of introducing the Kaladin element, I would've preffered for them to have conflict in a different way. To fight, to lie, to have anything to make this more.. The Kaladin element could've been explored so much more. I didn't want drama or for them to end up together, but I wanted conflict, struggles. Kaladin and Adolin adressing this. Kaladin and Shallan adressing their feelings. Before you tell this isn't a romance novel and it woudln't have beein interesting to see those disscusion, don't tell me that the massages , cheesy giddy moments or Kaladin having the same argument will Syl added something to the story. So much more could've been squeezed of this and it frustrates me so much. It felt like Brandon had an intention in WoR, but then with everything else happening in the book he changed his mind and dropped it. And maybe I have no right to be mad at him, but I am. Don't make promises if you don't intend on keeping them. I don't think this will be adressed any further. I think this was it, for the potential love triangle, the marriage and Shallan's declaration at the end made everything pretty clear. Honestly I am not interested in reading more about this. I felt like it was poorly handled and instead of having Moash mirroring Kaladin's arc from WoK, I would've preffered this to be done properly. Also, I don't quite like the direction Kaladin's plot is going. I feel like he is being groomed for becoming a god. His unusual ability to split the storm, his strong will, honour, Jezrien's death etc. make me thing he might go on Anyway, at this moment I am repeating myself, but the conclusion is : I am not mad about the destination, but about the journey. Totally agree ! I would pin this if I could.

ok, so I will probably live to regret spending time to write this, in 5 hours when my alarms goes off and I have to wake up and actually be efficient for the first time in a week. UGHHH! But, I've been turning on all sides, trying to fall asleep and I can't until i get all this out of me. Sooo... I finished the book probably one hour ago. It was a really slow read for me, even though in the last 3 days this is the only thing I've done. I will start from the back. I really liked the epilogue and I loved Wit in this book. When I realised what he was doing I actually squeaked. I would give him the award for Roshar's therapist no.1. Speaking of why he was after that spren... I think one of the most 3 emotional moments for me in this book was the death of Elhokar. I didn't get to read any other reactions so I don't know if I'm alone in this, but it hit me hard. It's not that it was something so out of the ordinary, but lately I've gotten quite fond of him and then after all the disscusions on the forum I had high hopes for him this is for me to learn the lesson to stop following the character's arc threads in order to avoid being hurt like this. I HATE, HATE, HATE Moash. UGHGHGHGHGH He got me so frustrated thoughout the whole book. His chapters where really hard to get through from the beginning and after Elhokar AND after Jezrien, I was one step away of throwing the book to a wall. *INHALE...EXHALE* Other powerful moments for me where when Dalinar did his thing at the end (for lack of a better word) and when Teft swore the 3rd oath. I was on my bed flipping my legs in the air of excitement. I actually had to read those a couple of times cause I was tearing up There were some things that didn't work for me in the book. Moash's arc in the beginning felt too similar with Kaladin's. Not a major thing,but still not a fan of. The battle scene in the last part felt too long for me. After Kaladin and the others returned and Dalinar's epic moment, the whole battle felt a big dragged and MAYBE instead of having 100+ pages of battle stuff, we could've gotten a better explanation of Sethz new alliance. I mean, I understand it and so on, but I would've like to see actual reactions from the characters when that happened. Instead everyone went along with it and no one questioned it. I understand it was in the last part and everything was a bit rushed, but still. Even after the battle NO ONE of the characters that didn't know his though process questioned it. I found it mind blowing that Kaladin so easily lets him become Dalinar's new bodyguard after he tried to kill him twice! I think this and Moash were the things that irked me the most. how the love triangle worked out. I will probably talk more on this on other threads. It's not that I mind Shadolin, I was somewhere in the middle, but I really expected more of this whole thing and I wanted it to be explored more in depth. WoR created such anticipation for it and it had the potential of being more interesting, but in the end it felt underwhelmed. This is something I found on my notes, but i felt that in the 3rd part Syl and Pattern weren't as much part of the dialogue, which was a shame. the whole Bridge 4 chapters in part 2. I don't know how to feel about it. I enjoyed Teft's and Rock's ( When I thought Rock was dead I almost threw the book again), but they were overshadowed by the dreadful Moash in the end. I liked Lopen as well. Now that I expressed some of my frustration, I will go on to the other things I liked Nightblood. I alsolutely loved him(her?). It was my favourite in Warbreaker and it didn't disspoint me here either. His conversations with Sethz must be some of my favourite parts of the book. Sethz. I liked his character from the previous books, but now I am really excited for him to get his own book. Hopeflly that will still happen. Venli. I... I don't know what to say of Eshonai, I didn't feel that much for her, so her death was such a big hit for me. When Venli realised she lost her friend, that's when I started caring for her. She is a new one that I'm excited for. Lift. After reading Edgedancer and giving it some time, I've come to the realisation I liked LIft and I was glad we didn't have to wait for another book until she made an appearence. It was a shame she was such a background character in this book, but I'll take what I can get. Wit, being there for Shallan. Another one of my favourite parts in the book. It was later shadowed by something else, but that's a talk for another thread. The stories in the book, also a lot of great quotes Rysn, I would like to see more of her For a moment I thought Sebarial is going to be king :)) that's so stupid, but that scene cut right to Palona and him. At that point Jasnah slipped out of my mind. Unfortunately I was spoiled about Dalinar being the author, it was something I was beginning to suspect anyway, so in the end it wasn't such a big thing. But knowing that and also reading some theories before, about what happened to Evi, I wasn't blown away by the revelation he killed her. I was sure he didn't kill the child though, so at least there's that. Overall I enjoyed the book, I need to give a little bit of though and maybe a reread of some parts, because there were parts I did love, but I don't know what to feel about the whole yet. Anyway, this post is too rambly and it's more for me to have some first impressions I can go back to . I'm sure I forgot a lot of things and I can't be bother to check it for missspellings. I know I spelled Szeth wrong and only realised it in the end. But oh well.. Maybe now I can get some sleep.

Tonight I'm doing laundry, cooking for the whole week, replying to emails and messages to let everyone know i am alive, but they won't hear from me for the next couple of days. On wendsday i have a deadline so I have to work late tomorrow, but I m skipping lunch to go to the bookstore and pick it up. I ve added up all the hours I could go without sleep for the rest of the week and decided I can survive with 3 hours of sleep per night, so I will have around 11 hours of added moments when i can read. If everything goes well, I might "get really sick" after the deadline so I can take a day off

it's like.. some people will never get it. As much as we love them, they don't understand anything ! I think you are setting a great example for your kids, showing them the passion for reading This reminds me of a quote/meme i saw a while ago "when I will have kids I will force them to read Harry Potter and if they don't, I will lock them under the stairs and they will be Harry Potter". I think it would be a fun idea to have a thread about people around us reacting to our obssesion. I sure was amused while reading your post.

noooo I swear is like it wasn't meant to have this book earlier ! the guy at the library that was out of stock, told me they MIGHT have it at the airport, but at that point all my friends were frustrated with me dragging them to 10 bookstores and I didn't get the chance to go that far. I tried to convince myself, that surely it's impossible to find it there if it wasn't anywhere in the middle of the city. I guess.. I'll just have to find something to make the time pass faster tomorrow. Sidenote, one guy at the bookstore thought it was called Oatbringer and he was like "ohh! is this a recipe book for oatmeal ?"

Hahaha! This is exactly the same speach i got from my sister! I guess your husband should be more careful when he makes this open threats towards Adolin in front of you I've exasperated everyone around me. I went on a weekend trip with some friends and dragged them to so many bookstores. I was so sad i couldn't find it that one of them was actually "ok, so what's the book about?". After 1 hour of me ranting about it, three of them were "hm! I will actually read it". That made me so happy

Updates on my Oslo Oathbringer search : i ve been to 10 bookstores, but no luck one was out of stock(Whaaaaat?!) and on another one they were like "the release is on the 14th" "yes, i know, but do you have it?" " the release is on the 14th"(!!!!) If there is a good soul that found it in Oslo and they are willing to share the info, i would be really greatful

For me this was such a great experience. Not only did I joined the 17Th shard( which became such a big part of my daily routine) for this, but it also brought something else that I was missing : the opportunity to talk with people who are on the same crazyness level as me. It was so fun debating and theorizing each week only to have our long hours dissmised by a random WoB or new chapter, that i had to appreciate the irony. Also, while I do agree with Neil Gaiman that no author is anyone's "slontze", the fact that Brandon kept us so updated, made me respect him more as a professional and human. Because I feel he understands how it is to anticipate something so much, that your whole being is buzzing with excitement It shows a lot of respect for the readers and for that I would just take all my hats off (or whatever the saying is).

Thank you! I am a very anti-spoiler kind of person, I thought myself to be really sensitive when it comes to this before. But reading some stuff others are saying, i'm like "are you serious?!". Even thought it was a big one, this book has so many layers that you still have a lot to discover by yourself and with all the speculation it wasn't such a mind blowing thing, but still. Waiting for a book it's such an unique experience with all the anticipation and the hype and all the feelings that go into it, that I feel like people who are spoiling things for others are just mean. How oblivious can you be to spill the beans?

Haha! Thank you! This will inflate my ego even more The most hurtful thing is that she is so excited about other things/ fantasy books, but not about this!! Which is so crazy and stupid! I can't wait for the moment she will get into it and then i can rub it in her face all day. "I told you so". I asked that for my Christmas present she should read WoK . I hope it will work out. The problem with me is that when i really get into something i become so pushy that I end up alienating people:( Regarding you and your brother in law, I would say : "Brandon. Connecting people"

I was actually spoiled for real, so the people who are claimming the review is too spoilery are too much for me i don't want to sound condescending, but i also think people are getting too sensitive about it. My opinion is that WoB say more about OB than that actual review. It just hypes it up a bit more, but it feels quite innocent for me

I ve actually tried to pay my sister multiple times to read Stormlight Archive at least, but she said I'm such a maniac that she doesn't want to do it!!! i've offered her 30 euros per book and she still wasn't interested. At least some people in your family share your passion

I know! Nobody in real life is a Sanderson fan in my group, but by now everyone from my co-workers, ex-co-workers, parents, cousins, aunts to random people in bookstores know that oathbringer is coming out next week. I've become that annoying person that no one wants to have around at the moment because I can't stop talking about it. I'm counting the hours at this point

@Starla haha! I'm glad someone is amused by my adventures at least! Stay tunned for the "Oathbringer search" Oslo version this weekend! I'll need to complain more Be strong! @StormingTexan I feel you. This is how I spent my lunch breaks and evenings this week and this is how i will spend my weekend(well not driving, but searching). I'm not giving up!

I would argue the exact opposite! Shallan has no idea what she wants and we see that from the personas she has created and all the mentions of her drawings as Shallan the girl, the mother, the wife, the scholar etc. She's in the process of accepting her trauma and finding herself. And I think it's a bit of an overstatement to say she doesn't have any misunderstandings with her spern, considering their bond is what led to the destruction of her family, but I won't go into all that here. I don't think Shallan will go full Odium champion, but she's definetely not the most stable one and she wanders some murky waters.. I highly doubt it will be Kaladin as well. I don't necessarily belive in an Anakin Skywalker situation when it comes to Odium's champion and I don't see Kaladin being tricked into something. As @muco said it would be ironic to be the one that brings destruction upon his people in order to save the Parshendi. I feel like the difference of opinions between Syl and Kal is something normal and should be adressed, because even if they are bonded, they are different entities and it's expected to not be on the same page always. My idea of this is that Syl, as "a little part of a god" (to quote her) has been 'wired' (for lack of a better word) with a set of values, whereas Kal is more flexible when it comes to right or wrong because he is human and his idea(l)s could changed in time. To cut the long story short, I don't think their disagreements are proof or incentive for Kaladin to become Odium's champion.

noo, my big drama ( that everyone is sick to hear about ) is that I wanted to get the book earlier It will be in the bookstore on the 14 so I can just go and get it then, but I'll be spending 10 hours in a train this weekend so it would've been perfect (I am aware this is a first world problem and there are others who have it worse than me, but I just like to complain ) Also, I am not that great with audiobooks. I get distracted really easily if I don't have the text in front of me so I just want to savor it on paper

Ugggggh!!! I feel so unlucky! I read on reddit about a local website that delivers the book in 1-2 days, which would be perfect if I wouldn't be out of the city for the weekend. I feel like i'm chasing 100 rabbits without catching one. I know nobody cares, but i'm so frustrated that i didn't discover this sooner. Since last saturday I've been in a constant stress mood

Haha! Storm you!( yes, i ve given up into the SA swears) just when i vot used to the idea that i will have to wait until tuesday, you post this and make me want to start the bookstore search again ! why do i put myself up for dissapointment, i don t know.. But nice story & enjoy your reading!

In my language "parachute" is synonim with whore, easy woman etc. When I was about 8 I had a teacher that my parents didn't really like because she would always be late and not put any effort into teaching. So my mother would constantly talk with her friends, saying that my teacher was a parachute. So insead of doing the reasonable thing and ask my mother what that ment, I went to school and asked my teacher in front of the class : " what is a parachute? because my mom always says you are one". Needles to say, that after that my father was the only one going to parent meetings. I also just turned around once and tripped by .. nothing and just fell on my stomach and slided in front of an entire class of people, jumped into a lake without knowing how to swim, thought myself Spiderman and jumped of a bouldering wall from 2m hurting my leg, tried to ride a bike that I couldn't reach the pedals ( because I'm too short) and bumped & fell into a concrete wall, tried to ski, realised that I was sliding downhill (DUUH!), got scared and threw myself on my back to stop, resulting in a sprained ankle. Safe to say, sports aren't my thing.