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  1. I'm having trouble working out a view of either or both of them as Heralds. - If they're both Heralds, we're running out of male Heralds. There are only 4 who aren't Taln, and Ishi is probably bald (from the artwork). And if they're talking about Jezrien in the third person, they aren't him either. So it's Kalak and Nalan? - If they're both Heralds, why "my lord's blade" and not "our lord's"? - If only the one who spoke first is a Herald, why is the second guy telling him to shut up? Who tells a Herald to shut up? - On the other hand, first guy pulls the second guy's arm and turns him around. That's not exactly something you do to a Herald either. - Maybe the first guy is a normal mortal servant of Jezrien, or a member of the religion that worships Jezrien. But he says “We weren’t supposed to get worse." referring to (at least) himself and Ash. If Ash is Shallash, he's probably a Herald too. I guess I think it's Kalak and Nalan, but I don't have an explanation for "my lord's blade" instead of "our".
  2. Or it's a proto-Shardblade. The Prologue even says the Alethi close to making Shardblades, but Szeth dismisses it as exaggeration. Irony! My reasoning is based partly on the Eshonai reading from WoR Or it could be both, if all Shardblades are "evil" Fabrials. We now know that any Surgebinding can be put in a fabrial. Shardblades could be a fabrial for Voidbinding. It's sort of odd that there's only one type though. I agree! Thanks, this is really interesting. I used to think it had to be some super-unique artifact. I never considered that it was a technological innovation related to fabrials.
  3. Any chance you mean Navani's Notebook? It tells us spren can be trapped in gems. Interesting.
  4. I think there are 20 powers. 10 are shared and belong to two Orders each, and are like "What's a good Surge and power for fighting Voidbringers?" 10 are unique, and are like "What 3rd ability does this Order need to make it unique and valuable?" It's mostly speculation; I haven't kept track of when quotes support it vs. when the quote is ambiguous and I just prefer it this way.
  5. I've read it now, but I remember my Prologue-only thinking. I wanted it to be "the power of love" just because people started posting that it couldn't be because of Harry Potter similarities, and I've never read HP or watched more than the first movie, and I'm uncomfortable with the idea that all other stories have to exist in its shadow. (The same thing bothered me about Tolkein comparisons in the 1990s.) So I wanted them all to be wrong. So "because David's father was trying to protect him" was my theory.
  6. You could ask about the mistakenly-pointed-at Skybreaker symbol.
  7. PANFOs are more fun. That's how we didn't find out what Ashyn was called until Brandon accidentally mentioned it years later.
  8. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3189-brandon-signing-120612/?p=66733 It makes speculation about the placement of Dustbringers much harder. We don't even know which order Windrunners share Gravity with, and which is Pressure. And if Gravity isn't shared with Order 10, then the whole motivation for moving Travel doesn't count.
  9. This is great. It's amazing that Brandon can go from remembering Renarin's hair color, into the religion of Seons, and little things like Nightblood thinking he needs sleep even if he doesn't. I tried adding Honorspren to the Splinter page on the Coppermind, but {{ref|17s|4254|post|66703|Are Honorspren Splinters, or do they hold Splinters?}} is officially the weirdest thing I've ever written that isn't a regular expression, so I'm not sure it isn't wrong somehow... edit: It's interesting to finally see something that is a Splinter, rather than "The ________ inside of it a Splinter." I have a theory that spren are made of Stormlight, since they can be trapped in gems. We know you can use a Divine Breath in place of normal Breath. It makes me wonder if you can infuse a flamespren or Honorspren and use it instead of Stormlight. Ethical considerations aside!
  10. I always thought of the woman in that art as being a "mascot" not a real person: a woman with a safehand and mixed hair colors, looking regal and magical, summing up a lot of the imagery in the series. Her being Cultivation is a much better idea, but what's up with the safehand? Cultivation is much older than Vorinism. All I can think is that if she's related to the Old Magic, that she "gives with one hand, and takes with the other", and so people fear that half of her. Could Vorin safehands be inspired by that imagery, or is it a coincidence?
  11. For "Dawnsingers", I think of anything on Roshar with the word "Dawn" as really old, like Dawncities, Dawnchant, and whatever the Dawnshards are. Dawncities at least are older than the KRs because the Nohadon vision happened in one.
  12. I posted that. (edit: the sky god thing.) I thought of it as a loose association possibly useful for brainstorming surges, sort of like the male/female and honor/cultivation associations people were trying out. They aren't established either. The "sky god" theme had come up before, I think in a thread about whether "closest to Honor" meant a mountain, but it's not some detailed theory. Actually I'll go add to that post that it was brainstorming.
  13. There might be a difference between forcing the power into liquid / solid physical forms like the Well and Pits do, and just using it to do something. I'm not sure if it's worth changing the question over. There's something weird about how atium returns to the Pits rather than Ruin.
  14. I like Boomtown, thanks! And I don't think this Epic is going to live very long. He sounds like someone that gets killed off early, to prove that someone else is more dangerous.
  15. I like the colors in the new table. And I agree with moving Travel. I really wanted something "about solids" to be between Metal and Stone, but it would leave the Skybreakers with the most boring powers ever. Here's a completely different way of guessing the power though: the name Skybreaker sounds intimidating. It needs to break things, and skies can't even break. So ... lightning! It's sort of magnetism anyway, so it just means swapping those two positions, and calling it electricity instead. Flying lightning mages would definitely inspire the name Skybreakers. Also if there's a sky/earth theme between Honor and Cultivation, lightning goes with the "sky god" theme. (Never mind. It looks like Skybreakers aren't #10 after all, and my brainstorming is going nowhere.) Another surge idea is sound. But I'm clueless where to put it. I so want Order 2 to have it, so they can climb walls like ninjas and silently kill people. But it doesn't work at all.
  16. So ... Dalinar turns. Away from a red-glowing Radiant, about to use powers that would reveal connections between Surges and Orders. I hate Dalinar now.
  17. Power: Explosions! I could blow up anything that normally blows up in action movies, like cars, dumpsters, or one floor out of an office building. Weakness: I have a forcefiend, and I can either be protected from one of my explosions, or everything else, but not both at the same time. Watching a really cool explosion can make me laugh uncontrollably and protect myself from explosions. So you could follow me with snipers and kill me when I'm not protected, or keep blowing things up around me to try to make me laugh at them. Name: sorry, out of ideas for names Costume: I think I need sunglasses, and overdone spiked hair. And chains, I want some chains. Evil: I wouldn't seek out people to harm deliberately, but people always seem to be around the cars, crates, or other perfectly explodable items that are just lying about waiting to be exploded. Eventually I'd probably get assassinated by an Epic that takes evil more seriously and found me obnoxious.
  18. I remember that post too, because I tried to exploit it to support "Shallan is Brave/Obedient" which is my favorite theory to try to force to work. If she has all these apprenticeships, maybe she's becoming more obedient, to match her Order. It's hard to get Shallan with both Transformation and Light without shuffling something somewhere. Light seems like it ought to be around Fire or Crystal, not off with Oil, Blood, and Plants. I grant that Shallan as #6 is far more likely, but putting Light way over there breaks a lot of themes. Dustbringers could be anywhere, Heat might not be a Surge, Memory probably isn't a Surge. I really want Shallan to have Light so she can make illusions from her memories.
  19. I forgot about the Well of Ascension. The forum must have one of those around that it uses to make Slivers. Next to the room full of Shardplate / Blades, obviously.
  20. Hoid just needs to get spikes from Nalthis, learn the memory command from Vasher, and share it with the Heralds. It will fix everything.
  21. I don't know where the Jezrien's Honorblade idea came from. I read it over a year ago, but thought it was unlikely because I expected Honorblades to be bigger and to have special powers. I'm mostly motivated by the idea that Szeth wants to die. If he can't die, that makes it worse, and Heralds are the only thing around that can't die. He also wants to be free of the Shardblade. If it goes with him when he dies, that makes it worse. edit: The post is being weird, and including <br> and <em> tags for some reason.
  22. I didn't notice the King vs. slave parallel. That makes it even better. I wonder if we can find more hidden Heralds by reversing their ideals. Brandon says there are a surprising number in the book, but guesses seem limited to Shallash and the beggar in the Prologue. edit: There are some women with clipboards in Taravangian's blood-draining room. If I were a tortured opposite of Loving/Healing, I'd hang out in an evil hospital. (And more edit: The chapter has a Loving/Healing icon, in spite of absolutely zero loving or healing happening. It's still a long shot, but I'm fond of the idea now.)
  23. This theory is motivated by dramatic irony more than evidence. Szeth thinks that when he dies, he'll be tortured forever. Well, Heralds get exactly that as an afterlife between Desolations. How ominous will it be if Szeth dies, and the PoV hints that he's beginning an eternity of torture but at least he's content that the killing is over. The reader is then in a position to realize this is really bad because it means exactly the opposite: the killing isn't over at all, and Szeth is still a threat. He'll be back. So start with the theory that Szeth has Jezrien's Honorblade, and upgrade it to Szeth taking Jezrien's place completely, and being a Herald. Sure he's a bad Herald, but 90% of Heralds are bad these days so he'll fit right in. Shallash is destroying art as Creative/Honest. If Szeth kills world leaders as Protecting/Leading, that's fine too. One problem is that Taln already respawned at the end of WoK. If it only happens once per Desolation, Szeth missed it. That's where dramatic irony comes in. Szeth has to die and be tortured, so that he can interpret it as Stone Shamanism while the reader recognizes it as the Herald afterlife. That's too cool not to work, so we can infer that Heralds get to come back multiple times during a Desolation until it's over, or something.
  24. Travel is named as a surge here: It's from 2009 so I don't know if it's really the canon name or not, but I think that's where people get it from.
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