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What I'm saying is, she didn't have to be killed. She was only killed because Supremacy was made and the producers probably didn't think she'd make the story interesting if she was still around for the sequels - so they got rid of her. In the books he's happily married throughout all seven(?) books, so if they'd not made any sequels to the movie we could have assumed they lived a comfortable life away from civilization, or just away from intelligence agencies. And agreed, this movie was terrible. The only good thing about it was Jeremy Renner. Ed Norton is the same person in every role he does and had zero villainy.

I would like to announce that I am embarking into the unknown: I am trying henna!

Let us end this discussion; you all know what is truly the greatest invention ever. Me. You know it in your hearts to be true.

Since Lerasium is a metal it would be common sense to assume it has a melting point of several hundred to several thousand Kelvin, and since the Well is a liquid form under the same conditions then I concluded they're different concentrations, if not different substances altogether. Lerasium is a highly condensed form of Preservation - a fraction of a fraction - whereas the Well was almost his entire being. It doesn't make sense that you would gain more power from Lerasium beads simply by melting them. Chances are people have considered it but ultimately dismissed it through deductive reasoning like Isomere's, or mine if you don't know too much about the Cosmere.

Heh, whenever I hear traveling performer I always think "gleeman" and inevitably picture Thom Merrilin.

Zinc would have been available in trace amounts. In the day from Snapping to his escape he had time to formulate a plan - we know he's good at those. If he Rioted the guards emotions and caused them to act irrationally he could take advantage of the ensuing situation and either kill the guards or sneak away from the confusion.

And even the most intelligent men in a firefight don't have time to analyse the mathematics of bullet-bubble trajectory. Wax has probably never thought to do experiments of his own outside metallurgy.

Well you're essentially passing from one medium where time is faster/slower than that of the one within the bubble. So if you imagine time being stretched or compressed you are changing the relative property of time itself. Bullets change trajectory if you shoot it into a denser medium than air (like water), so you just have to imagine that inside the bubble is water, or vice versa but the analogy would need further explaining if I said it's like firing through water into air EDIT: King of nowhere: When I'm referring to refraction I'm not talking about the kind that affects photons, but a physical object leaving one medium to enter another in the same way light travels across mediums. You are going to get similar effects due to the curvature of a bullet head and the angle it strikes the medium boundary. If the second medium is dense enough it can affect the trajectory significantly. As it is we're still not sure if Einstein's theory of Relativity is proofed. We know it works, but we're just now on the verge of testing the limitations of the theory. Do Scadrians know enough of Realmatics and physics to say with concrete surety what is happening to a bullet when it passes the boundary of a time bubble? Also, the bullet cannot travel superfast since it retains a constant rate of deceleration even while passing through the bubble. The force on the bullet does not change, only the relative impression of the speed of the bullet from those in and outside the bubble.

Wax describes it at random because he doesn't understand the physics behind Realmatics. I'm thinking it's always refracted at the same angle ratio no matter where in the bubble it passes through. And with the curvature of the bubble you may observe wider or narrower angles of refraction from your perspective. There probably IS a pattern; Wax just isn't noticing it.

Could be because you're forcibly altering the speed of the bullet. Like light travelling through one medium to something more or less dense (like from air to water) will refract. The dilution of time outside the bubble would be thicker outside the bubble than in, so to account for that variable something has to change.The force on the bullet is still the same, only its trajectory can be altered.

Yados' explanation seemed pretty replete to me. Credit where credit is due man. Though I still think you're all wrong. It makes you super-buoyant. Might be useful if you're needed as a raft in case you and others become shipwrecked in the middle of the ocean. Bunches of Gaspers lashed together and you could have your own flying city of Columbia. The possibilities are endless!

Considering that it hasn't advanced over the thousands of years engineering, science, and literature has, then no. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have, but human imagination - being what faith is - has been put to more practical uses. Without language there could be no organised religion and no civilization to speak of. Ideally, to consider what the greatest invention is you could contemplate its reliance on other inventions. Civilization was a great invention, but it didn't come without language and engineering (particularly agriculture and metal working). Everything is invented by human imagination so that practicality becomes important. We could live without religion, but we'd not be the civilized society we are today without many other things, particularly the ability to communicate in an articulate and clear manner. KChan: If you're looking at the Industrial era then I have to throw in the steam engine as the greatest invention of its time, bar the printing press. And perhaps the electric motor/generator. In the era before that, Galileo's telescope.

Allomancy doesn't work like that at all. If you pushed against a wall it still exerts a force on you equal and opposite to the force you're applying to your push. Now you push hard enough and you start to slide backwards as the force overcomes the frictional force of the ground that's keeping you stationary. For the sake of me being too lazy to do the math, lets say a human is only capable of physically pushing with 800 N of force on a wall, whereas Allomancy could apply >4,000 N of force. There's no way the frictional force of the ground against your feet is going to immobilize you now. Hence, you're pushing against something that's pushing back with the same 4,000 N, causing you to lurch backwards. It's the same as jumping off the ground, or pushing yourself off a ledge - imagine being able to increase the tensile strength of your muscles and bone to apply more force and you'll leap further. Same principle with Allomancy. If you're in the air you can substitute friction for air resistance. Also, in both cases weight is very much relevant, as it draws your body down and especially when you're already on the ground you must factor that in as opposing force to the work done on you from the wall. Yes. Because a feather doesn't have the same structural integrity as a bricked wall. And I can stand on tiptoes and keep my balance extending either arm.

Say one starts Pushing on it first, they apply a force to the object that pushes them backwards, and also the object moves forwards a little. Now the second Allomancer Pushes, he too is flung backwards if the object is heavy enough, but he adds his mass to the movement of the object and the first Allomancer should decelerate. This method is similar to how tension works in that if you hang a weight off one string all the force of holding the weight is applied to that single string. But if you attach two strings an equal angle apart from the fulcrum or perpendicular line of motion, then the force on one string is halved. With momentum, if a heavy object is pushing back it's transferring its momentum to you, causing you to accelerate to a constant velocity (ignoring friction). Adding another person decreases the force on you and the momentum transferred from the object is decreased (not the total momentum, just that acting on you), as the other person shares the burden with you. Voidus or some other physics nerd can explain it better. EDIT: The object will move forward only if the combined momentum of the two Allomancers exceeds that of the object's.

You're comparing two distinct magic systems whose rules have been shown to differ. Roshar's magic is not based on an Internal/External system as we can readily see from Surgebinding and Soulcasting; in the latter you change aspects of external objects to something else so I don't know where you're getting that it's strictly internal from. Personally I think Surgebinding alters the orientation of an object's gravitational pull in the Spiritual realm. By first disconnecting it from the Physical and applying a new rule to it temporarily. This occurs with objects outside of the Surgebinder and within himself. It is external and internal. As is Soulcasting, evidenced by Jasnah converting a large rock to smoke. Again if you really want to debate that all Shard magic follow the same principles just look at Elantrian magic and how basic it is to simply relate it to spell-casting. As Voidus said, don't just invent theories and spin them off as fact to suit your expectations. The whole point of having a debate is to present and then discuss the flaws while presenting us with new considerations to patch up the gaps. All I'm seeing at the moment is you fiercely holding onto what you've theorised and dismissing everyone who is trying to develop YOUR theory. We're not criticising for the sake of being mean and insulting, the fact that people are commenting on your thread so extensively shows genuine interest that you've sparked. What you interpret from one thing, someone else might interpret something else.

When you push something much lighter than yourself, the force you apply rapidly accelerates the object the longer you push, building that object's momentum in the direction of you pushing it. Since a coin is only a few grams in weight (25g - or 0.025kg - at most) compared to your mass which will be thousands of times greater, there is only a small amount of force needed to move the coin. That same force pushing back from the coin is negligible to your mass and doesn't accelerate you. When the coin collides with the wall conservation of momentum has to be retained, and since it cannot continue to go forward it has to push back at you. With the wall that means you're going to get a sizable force to move your body. The more you push, the more it pushes back, hence the more force between the two of you. Imagine trying to push over a wall not anchored down by anything: If you just tickle it that wall ain't going nowhere. But the more you push the more you move it until it eventually falls over. The more effort you expend into pushing that wall is the more force generated between the two. And the more you push on that wall the more you start to move back and need a better foothold. You ever tried pushing something heavy and noticed your feet slipping back? Try pushing the side-wall of an ice rink and see what happens.

Weight is equal to mass [multiply] gravitational strength at a certain point, so yes. If you increase your weight you have to increase your mass since gravitational strength will remain constant at a fixed point in space. In fact, gravity only starts making a noticeable difference once in orbit. If you increase your mass and not your body size then you will become more dense.

This is all about forces and momentum and the classic formula for force always includes mass in some determined way. The most common being the product of mass and acceleration. But in the case of Allomancy you're really focusing more on the product of mass and velocity (momentum). If one large body with x newtons of force acts on a stationary object of lesser mass then the larger object will be slowed proportional to the amount that the lighter object is accelerated. The same can be observed in many scenes throughout Mistborn where anchored objects are used to accelerate or decelerate the Allomancer. This follows Newton's Third Law of motion where an equal and opposite force is generated in response to any action. Mass is the determiner of how one body is affected more than another, or how quickly momentum is transferred. The house would enhance the strength of a Push at the expense of physically crushing their body, unless they Burned pewter. Imagine trying to push a carriage uphill: the mass of the subject and the object being pushed does not change so the only thing that can is the force applied to the object. This would have to generate an equal and opposite reaction, hence the more energy your exertions cause the more pressure you're putting on your own body to create those extra newtons of force. Even if you had a stable platform to push against you're still creating more work on your body and it will eventually reach a threshold you cannot overcome. Weight - more correctly "mass" since weight is the combination of mass and surface gravity - is in part responsible for Allomantic strength.

I neutralized your first two posts simply because I didn't agree with the negative votes on them; you were genuinely curious about the topic at hand. Your other post, however, I haven't, for the same reason Shivertongue and Chaos have explained to you. On topic: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned that Feruchemy - and Scadrial magic in general - is about opposites. Leaving the dichotomy of good or bad out, Feruchemy is really similar to how Allomancy has two metals performing distinctly opposite actions: When you "store" an attribute you compound that aspect in return for the general omission of that aspect from your person (eg. weight, mental alacrity, reflexes, etc.) for the time you're storing it. You can then tap that aspect for a finite gain. Again, this is not like in Wax's case of being able to store weight to become light being advantageous, but rather that storing weight to become light is the opposite of tapping weight to become heavy.

So basically this a Mistborn-Avatar cross-over of fangasm proportions?

It's funnier when you create your own context for this.

Class.

Here's a nice list if no-one's posted it yet: http://13depository.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/saidar-strength-ranking.html. It has convenient quotes to back up the research done into it too. Had I known about this thread before I started re-reading Lord of Chaos I would have thought to make my own list.

Glad there's another fan on here. Much tot he contrary I love the minimalistic plot made up for in mysterious intrigue and gorgeously haunting art work.

If you want personal experience I started with Mistborn and then Way of Kings before I even had Elantris on the shelf or even knew about Warbreaker. This all before Alloy or Emperor's Soul was out but the order I chose to read them in didn't obfuscate the cosmere at all. There's a lot in Way of Kings that can be picked up with prior readings, specifically certain characters, but it's not essential that you've read anything beforehand. Only, Stormlight Archive is set to be Sanderson's epic so it does contain some easter eggs you might benefit from by reading the others first.