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OK, here's iso #2: Bard D1: First post - Notes belief in Aman's claim of being a misting since it would be too much attention heaped onto the Inquisitor that early in the game. Also notes being fine with lynching an inactive, but concerned it can stifle discussion. Second post - This is the post where Bard misinterprets Lum's post as 'spikes' instead of 'lives'. This post as already been brought under a decent amount of scrutiny, and Bard has tried explaining it as a misread...but it's still kind of suspicious. (Vote on Lum here) Third post - Starts with "Ok, its seems pretty certain that Aman is village..." Bard seems to have gotten convinced of Aman's villageness a lot quicker than most people. N1: First post - Notes the following people as unlikely inquisitors: Devotary, Brightness, Araris, Stink Notes the following people as not active enough to evaluate: Ark, Doc, Snipexe, shanerocks, Rath, Sart Notes the following as most likely inquisitors: Hael, Burnt, Striker, Lum, Rand, Fifth D2: <Worth noting here that the start of D2 was Stink voting Bard followed by Araris voitng Bard with the Lum quote as the primary reason> First post - This is where Bard backtracks a bit on the Lum vote, calling it a misread. Makes a good point that if trying to frame someone, it would be better to not do it by misquoting something. Second post - Vote on Hael - notes that Hael's "don't roleclaim immediately" post came after a role claim, thus making it a good way for an elim to sound villagey. Good analysis so far IMO. Then does some brief analysis on Rand, Burnt, Striker, and Fifth. The one on Rand is particularly notable in that it reads Rand as village for, "...if he were the Inquisitor, he'd likely have passed the role over to a pinch-hitter...(due to being busy and such" At this point, Rand had been converted. The really stretchy logic reads kind of bad to me here in hindsight. N2: First post - definitely changes stance on Rand Second post - notes that seeking Rand on a cycle with a conversion would guarantee a valid seek D3: <Rand's analysis post> - reads bard as slightly village, but does point out some of what I was noting from D1.Bard - ruling people out from being Inquisitor rather quickly First post - notes that no one in the seeker PM chain should be cleared at all, also doesn't think the chain should be published. Also notes (and I hadn't read this my first time through the thread) that it's possible that the Inquisitor is a newer person who was looking to Rand as an experienced player with the first conversion. Leaning towards Shane or Snipexe as eliminators (this stays moderately consistent with N1 analysis that these two people weren't posting enough to be evaluated completely) N3: First post - notes that Elandera's initial reads are "...almost exactly the opposite of my own reads." One thing that reads well here is the fact that since the Inquisitor is alone at this point, it doesn't make much sense for someone to be intentionally misleading on reads. D4: No activity yet Overall, Bard has some very sketchy moves to me early in the game. As the game has gone on, and Bard has been slightly less active, everything has been a bit cleaner. However, I'm actually quite suspicious of Bard at this point. I want to get a vote down right now for sure since we're ~3 hours from rollover.

OK, I only got through one Iso...and I didn't grab quotes, sorry...but I started with Hael since I don't think we've been in a game together. D1: First post discusses some mechanics from prior runs of this game, mainly focusing on how uber metals were distributed. A bit of commentary on Aman's early role claim. I'd say this is mostly NAI, but I know a lot of people tend to consider game mechanic discussion to be a slight elim read. Second post mentions wanting to keep Aman alive partly due to activity since there wasn't really any actual suspicion...other than Aman being Aman. Also mentions Fifth, Brightness, Rand, and Devotary as 'in a similar position' - assuming this is referring to activity level. Vote on Sart Third post clarifies not keeping people around JUST for the sake of activity. Also removes vote from Sart. Fourth post has kind of an odd tone, "Alright, if I had to put my vote anywhere..." implies that someone is forcing Hael into a vote? Notes 'feeling bad' about locking in two votes. Fifth post is some mechanics clarification on conversions. N1: First post telling Ark not to roleclaim. RIP Aman. More mechanic clarification D2: First post clarifies about vote on Lum early D1. Says it was due to low activity compared to other lynch candidates, not due to reading Lum's post as 'spikes' instead of 'lives'. Second post corrects my comment about the 164123-way tie vote being interesting because no one had two votes. Also cautions sharing too much information and notes that the lower activity since Aman died was reason enough to keep him alive. N2: No activity D3: First post is asking to see some people who posted early in the game, but not since. Second post has a vote on Ark and calls on Burnt to post more instead of just living in PMs. Third post moves vote to Rand after Rand was seeked as elim. N3: No activity D4: First post notes that Doc can't be cleared for revealing seeker results and that Rand could still have been mistborn. Second post has some vote counts from D2. Notes the similarities in timing for Fifth and Doc pulling votes off Rand. Notes the timing of Doc's post as a reason to be suspicious of Doc. Votes on Doc In a normal game, I'd definitely be reading Hael as slight elim. That's kind of an odd concept with the numbers at 13-1 right now. The specific items I'm finding slightly suspicious: D1 focuses a lot on mechanics, which is fine, but then puts a read down as if there's a lot of pressure to do so. Seems odd reading back through that section of the thread. D2 post clarifying vote on Lum. Araris had only called out Bard's vote, but Hael seemed to feel it necessary to defend the vote anyway. D4 case on Doc seems really contrived as well. Anyway, that's what I've got tonight.

I plan on isoing a few people when I get home tonight to hopefully find something interesting. I hope to have something 15-16 hours prior to rollover (I think I'm doing that math correctly)

Another deathless night...and no conversion. Interesting. I'm mildly surprised that the Inquisitor prioritized an attack over a conversion. I guess there's also the possibility of an inactive Inquisitor with a coinshot taking a shot at someone, although I'd think that's moderately less likely. So, what does this gain us? I'm hoping the seeker is spamming that ability with the hopes that the Inquisitor shows up somehow. I had started typing up a response to Araris's call to either shoot or seek me, but got called away from my desk for a few hours...so thank you for not shooting me. Part of that response was going to be as follows: Well, I was going to try to tip my hat for voting on Rand D2, but then I realized two things. First, my analysis that had Rand in the elim camp was based mostly on D1/N1...when Rand was village... The next thing I noticed was that my vote didn't show up on the vote count Straw posted...so, either that was a miscount, or I was soothed off. @Straw, could you verify if that count was correct? Other than that, Burnt. I'm not expecting this was a WGG...less likely than Fifth's survival was for sure. I'm thinking it's moderately likely that Burnt has pewter and is now vulnerable though. I'm curious what has happened in PMs that may have prompted this. @Burnt Spaghetti, I haven't heard from you in PM in a while, any chance you want to either post here or PM what you think may have prompted the attack?

Coinshots only get one kill throughout the game, not one a night, so that could be why.

Hey folks, I'm here. Sorry for not getting in at all D1, logged on but then promptly fell asleep - was running around in the sun all weekend. I'll try to catch up this morning and see what's going on.

Rand Well then, I come back from a day of running around in the sun and find this...quite fun.

Hi everyone. Kind of quiet in here. Hope everyone has fun plans for the weekend. I miss Aman. Btw, welcome Elandera. Was confused for a second...haha

I think I'm on the same page as Rand here. As a tineye player, if you claim, you very well could just be killed since, as mentioned, the village probably gets a bit more use out of PMs and tineye messages than the elims do. As a player, if you were at least a good role to convert, you'd potentially get to keep playing if you were converted. I think that's where Rand is going there at least.

Sen A. Tor ready for the legislative session.

OK, I've been waffling back and forth after my analysis above, but I'm going to have to go with it: Bard Rand I feel a bit more strongly about Rand than Bard after that look, and I'm heading out for the last of the cycle, so I want to at least leave things with a lynch.

OK folks, so I decided to ignore content for a second and do some activity/posting analysis. I did this in a previous game at one point and it seemed to go over OK....plus is revives the spirit of Aman's post counting that was going on. So, here we go: s - short comment game analysis (includes posts that are just questions for GM) n - short comment non-game related m - medium comment game related l - long comment game related p - player analysis post a - heavy player analysis post r - RP post only k - I don't know how to classify STINK's posts v - vote or retraction post (should be removed for overall counts) Aman (40|RIP) - ssssslvssvssssvssmlslssssssssmvsmmnmsssssvsvssv|RIP Striker (6|1|2) - ssvssss|s|ssv Araris (9|1|10) - svssvssssssv|s|svsmmvssssmvs Fifth (7|2|2) - lsvmsllsv|sm|slv Rand (11|4|4) - smsssmvsssss|ssns|mvmls Bard (3|1|2) - ssvs|m|slv Snipexe (5|0|0) - rssss|| Lum (2|0|1) - mlv||m Burnt (2|0|0) - ms|| Hael (6|1|2) - lsvsvsvss|s|sm Devotary (6|1|3) - mmmmsvsv|m|mss Doc (2|0|1) - rmv||lv Rath (5|2|3) - ssmss|mn|mvsl shanerocks (2|0|1) - svsv||s STINK (4|1|2) - kkssv|s|svsv Brightness (12|4|2) - mssssmmsmnns|mssn|sn Sart (1|0|1) - sv||sv Ray (0|2|1) - |ss|s So, the things that stick out to me here: Rand seems to have decidedly less long content than I'm used to It's going to be a while before anyone catches up to Aman Lum seems to be a bit less active than I'm used to Unless I've missed posts (which it feels like I possibly did?) from Sart, the votes to post count is rather impressive Araris has seemed much more active D2 than D1...but I think that's mostly because Aman is gone and Brightness has had much lower activity. Votes: Bard (2) - STINK, Araris, Rath, Araris Shane (1) - Rand Devotary (0) - Araris Araris (2) - Sart, Striker Hael (1) - Bard Rand (2) - Fifth, Doc

Vote Count: Rand (1) - Fift Hael (1) - Bard Bard (1) - Stin, Arar, Rath Arar (1) - Sart Devo (1) - Arar Shan (1) - Rand (As I was typing this up, I kept seeing 4-letter name abbreviations, so I took creative liberty with Araris, Stink, Fifth, shane, and Devotary) Time left in cycle: ~5 hours? Yeah, we need more votes people. I'm sure Alvron is giggling with glee at the potential this lynch has though.

Oh wow. Impressive. I never thought someone would be able to solve the game in that manner.

Oh, nice, didn't notice that at first...haha I'm curious if that's an agreed-upon code that two people came up with in PMs so that someone could prove MB (or tineye?) role.

Bard Kind of a placeholder, but also kind of serious. (Sorry, my car got broken into last night/this morning, so I don't have much of an excuse for not being active at the start of the turn, but right now I'm a bit distracted) I know Bard has responded to Araris' analysis earlier, but I've been trying to think about how I would play as inquisitor. Vote on someone D1, ideally not the actually lynch, but if you end up on the lynch without changing your vote, fine Make sure to have some kind of reason for D1 vote other than poke or gut feeling Try to seem fairly casual in response to any criticism on my game play Be active...but not too active Yes, I realize that could be how just about anyone acts whether inquisitor or village, but that's a decent number of boxes checked so far. Also, yes I realize that points one and two may seem designed to discount me as a suspect *ninja Devotary*. Take that for what you will. Regardless, I expect to maintain relative activity through this cycle outside of the time I sleep tonight. So feel free to at me if you want my attention.

I agree with BR...that's quite an awesome major. Is that a custom major that you created or does your university actually offer that? Unsure if you're playing coy here...but I chuckled at the typo as well... soft cleaning

Rebel sneezed. The ash was heavy tonight. As with most nights, he was out on the streets, no real shelter available to him. He was a rebel after all. It's funny how that happens sometimes. The name you are given starts to define who you are. He hadn't planned on being a rebel. But growing up, he's always been treated as such and had just kind of grown into it. He'd heard about the inquisitor in town. No good could come of that. Well, he was awake now. Time to figure out how he was going to eat today. ~~ So, good news is that Aman's sacrifice may not be in vain. And, if I'm interpreting everything correctly, we're going to see either a kill or a conversion tonight, but not both? Some thoughts on D1: 9 votes leaves us right in the sweet spot even if there was a full elim team where I think it could be either V/V or V/E up for lynch. So I'm not really going to try to read much into the voting. OK, I liked, I am actually thinking that it's unlikely that any of the votes on Aman were from the Inquisitor. So, I'm soft clearing Lum, STINK, and Brightness (as well as Aman :/) As for Young Bard's analysis. Well, not sure I agree on Devotary. Devotary can sound extremely village all the time. I'm reading pretty strong village so far on Fifth, so I'm curious to see what your analysis is at this point. Brightness, I kind of agree with <see above> Araris...well, Araris actually seems less aggressive than usual now that I think about it. I'm actually going to have to think on that one. It might just be a change in strategy since Araris seems to get killed early on fairly often due to his aggressiveness, but I'm going to have to think on that...and I'd like to hear other thoughts. STINK. I haven't played too many games with STINK, but based on the couple I have, STINK's reputation, and reading through some older games, I don't think there are many better ways to describe STINK than 'carefree', so I'm not sure I buy this piece of analysis. With the clarification on conversions (thanks Straw) I'm actually thinking Aman's strategy may work out OK. Grabbing the soother role for a friend could work out fairly well for the inquisitor, so I'd expect that's what we'll see tonight (rather than a kill), although our lurcher(s) (assuming we have any) should still be active tonight. (No point in not doing so, right?) So, tomorrow, there should actually be a team of sorts out there. Anyway, there are my morning musings.

My point is that it seems like you're trying to force the Inquisitor's hand into converting someone by us lynching a misting. If they don't have to convert when a misting dies, and can instead save up, the strategy becomes less helpful.

Now that's a fun question...that could completely 90% destroy Aman's strategy.

Not sure what I think about this - Lum has played enough games at this point to know that this is a fairly standard read people look for on D1. I don't think early cycle inactivity is really that suspicious. Might just be the fact that I usually take a little while to get into the groove of posting and getting reads on people...and at this point, it's possible some people were just in time zones that resulted in them being asleep for the entirety of the game to that point. ... I'd think LG56? would have people making fewer assumptions about roles. Strategy-wise, I guess I understand, but I hope no one makes any overall reads based on role distribution. :/ Time...very key aspect of that. I think Ark just likes to chill in the background a lot in these games, regardless or role (or not) Well, that could be a decent strategy if Inquisitor.Aman had access to a soother ability. --- Overall so far, I'm a big fan of Fifth's analysis, and a moderate fan of Rand's. Aman, well, I'm not sure what to think still. I agree that it's less likely you are the Inquisitor, since the Inquisitor would likely want to fly somewhat under the radar at this point in the game, but I'm definitely not giving you as large a pass as you seem to think you deserve. I'm in the camp that assumes that the Inquisitor isn't necessarily going to do a lot of converting early in the game. Assuming three or four spikes, I could see one conversion early on just to have someone to talk to (And to survive if we get a lucky hit on the inquisitor), but saving anything else for later in the game when reads are a lot more established for this game.

Until this post. (Btw, I've been skimming through the thread, but haven't had time to do a full analysis. I'll try to remedy that tomorrow morning.)

I never take any of Aman's gambits as bold anymore. I don't think there's much to read here. Anyway, hello folks. Not really any suspicions yet.

OK, I think this one is a valid question... If a MB roles thug and is killed, what happens? They don't get any more abilities They can still get abilities, but not thug They can still get abilities, but thug roles as roleless They can still get abilities, and thug roles as thug Something else?

Sorry, I had read the 'basics' and 'factions' sections...but hadn't read the 'roles' section. Thanks