Arinian

I will start my post from answer to Orlok. 1)First look on your second question and you will get answer why I'm not voted. Second why I should agree with my partner? Like yes, we one person in this game, but we really don't have one brain. Also I never doing things like my partner did(I'm about list... I think this lists is useful for lazy players which don't want to read through all posts), I don't think that list was very useful. This list nice for understanding of someones look on what happenes but not more. 2) I never disagreed that lynch is "good driver of infromation". But I already said my points on C1 so you can go and look on them if you want. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1)Your first point about delaying lynch false, C1 lynch was delayed cause people had agreed that there shouldn't be lynch on C1. I don't think that this would happen again and revealing Night partner not gonna influence it(maybe only if someone would reveal that his night part was one who pointed on proven(by proven I mean lynched and by this way proven) elim. Anyway if this will happen lynch we can lynch someone else.). Also your point about waiting for verification false, if someone lying about night partner it's easy to check(cause there always day partner which can say "Hey he is my night partner! Not yours!") So your first point is wrong. - Conclusion: you absolutely wrong about it. 2)I'm selfish, I don't like to die. But that not what I wanted to say. I'm looking on night part more as on PM worker, even if night part wants to make some in thread analyze there can be couple people with same suspiciouns(points of view) and blah blah blah. So is not so easy to make connection between players as you think. I don't see how it's can be point for what about you talking. There more time for day discussion, there more discussion in day time, we lynching day player not night. I don't see that as big problem. +\- Conclusion: you right but that's not big problem. 3)Analyze day players... what problem with it? You right we can do nothing to night parts. And you right about peoples with roles but we don't know if there any roles in this game. I see possibility where Wyrm just wrote roles and then just didn't put them in game. Why not? Also to say is that easier in normal game to chose target for ability use? I don't think so. In normal games you using abilities based only on your conclusions same thing in this game there you just also should make connection between players(and from your first post I see that making connection between players isn't problem for you(atleast you saying that it's not problem for you)). Yes that's makes game harder but I not gonna count that as point cause if everyone will reveal their night parts that will make game easier for village but also easier for elims cause disappears problem with choosing target, so they can plan their kills better. +\- Conclusion: you right that that will make things easier for village, but I think that's also makes some things easier for elims. 4)That's damnation fair point. You right about that. + Conclusion: That's damnation fair point. Honestly to say when I read your thought at first it's looked like very bad idea. Now I'm not sure about it, but still I not gonna reveal my partner. Cause on my opinion you brought only one truly good point. Also I don't understand why you voting on Jon? Can you explain why? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Back to things from which I wanted to start. Bart\Aman. Undoubtedly RP was great but we didn't get answer why Bart said what he said. Having Aman as night player is good thing but I not gonna count it's as excuse for things which Bart said. I want answer. HH. I will repeat lynch on D1 not failed, most of people just agreed on no lynch on D1. We can easily confirm it cause no one denied his words. For me it's more then enough. I don't think that only elims would try to do it. Even weak logic is better then saying nothing (I even don't know why I'm saying it, it's obvious thing!). Mage. Honestly to say I can't call your "lists of things what happened" as analysis. You giving your opinion on people and what they saying that's good, but for me it looks superficial. From your lists players can't make normal conclusions on what you think and it's gives you great back way to abandon thing which you said. Also how you abstain from voting right now can be interpreted not in best way for you . I'm just warn that you on right way to get my vote on you sooner or later Lopen. Honestly to say in LG30 when you started tunneling on me I started tunneling on you (but I'm understand that I'm tunneling on you too late) so I forgive you . Also about Manukos I'm on your place would be not so sure. And also what makes you believe that Aman is village? He didn't gave any answers, so what you makes to trust him? Only gut or there something else For now I have good(good in my situation means neutral cause I'm too paranoid) read on Jon, Len, Drought. Also to add Drought is sneaky one so maybe I should retract him from my list of "good read". Also I was busy today so I didn't reread previous cycles, but I will try to do it and give addition to things that I said now before rollover (maybe after I will reread previous cycles it would change my opinion on certain things, but I doubt in it). Hmm... I think that's all for now. Maybe later will bring some thoughts from my partner.

It was me who killed Rand... khm... Sorry Rand!

Huh it's really funny thing with Szeth being Preservation. Also to say this was not me who decided to kill Joe. It was decided by number 3. Also want say thx to El good write up. And you really well described my character. I wanted him to be sincere believer in Lord Ruler.

I killed Joe. He killed me... others don't know.

Kelsier killed by usual coinshot... I still gonna count is as vengeance *shrug* Hey it's not my fault. It's you gave me coins and said "Shoot!". And there was so many targets running around.

Hah take it Joe! I killed you! VENGEANCE!!!

3 - Maybe it would ease people but I don't think that should work so. As you can see this made me paranoid, not ease. Point about easier for GMs right but not more. 4 - It's absolutely other situation then World PMs in LG29. Also point about that Stick thought so, is not wise cause then Ruin's ability to create PMs it's useless trash.

Even if you are I don't have nothing against that. Green pie

Oh I see why put Kandra in title: 1)If you are want to gain trust. (this doubtful cause kandra can be elim but still you many times did things that looks not logical for me) 2)If you are Ruin.

I still didn't get answer on "Kandra in title of PM". Is it true or you just failed in phrasing? Question to GMs. Can kandra or Ruin put whatever they want in title of PM? Or is was GMs fault with Aman's PM? Or he just liar(I think there no need in this question cause if I will get answers on other two this one will be obvious, but still it's here *shrug*)?

Rollover is 2 AM for me. Usually I go sleep at 2-3 AM, waking up on 11 AM, in 1:20 PM I should be in University and then 5-6(sometimes wasting less time sometimes more *shrug*) hours in the same University. So looks like 17 hours. I can post between 11 AM and 1:20 PM (like I'm doing now) but I should read all this walls of text. Also I wasting some time to eat something (stupid I who needs food pfff) and other things blah blah blah. Also normal for human organism to sleep 8 hours so I think you are alien Aman. And I'm gone

I don't like this attitude when people voting on themselves. It's just feels wrong to me when people say something like "Okay, lynch me, I also will vote on myself". I don't know what to add... mehh.

Khm... I would agree with points of my partner. There no need in lynch on C1. Why? 1. Remember by lynching one you killing 2 people and we still didn't hear that "other part of player". Just think if it's fair even not give chance for someone to play? No chance to give his thoughts? 2. It's usual behavior for Len. And it's absolutely unindicative even if it was someone else then Len. Also I can point example from LG30 with myself where I guessed about number of elims and you never will believe what I will say... I was Villager! Incredible isn't it?(yeah situation was other and game was other but still it's not indicative). Also I don't think that you so familiar with Len that you by only 1 short post from him can say if he genuine or not. 3. Hmm... I wanted to say something logical here, but forgot what. I will just say that I looked on Len's post many times and I don't see why you chose him among so many players that said not much more reasonable things. Khm... that was Arin not my partner. And I wanted to add something when I started this post but I forgot... again.

Mehh... sooo. “Arinian Partner Here. Len started the Elim Number discussion, which looks useful but really isn’t. Otherwise hasn’t said anything. By the time that Jondesu asks HH how many elims there are, 4 people have already stated that it is 2. Pointless Question? Agree with HH that it’s a poke vote. Arin & Stick need to say more substantial comments. Drake seems oddly concerned about Elims killing everyone quickly, reason being because he’s planning it? Agree with Lopen about CC. I propose that for this first day cycle, everyone agrees to not lynch anybody. There are many reasons for this, the primary one naturally being that everyone should at least get one chance to post in the thread. As for revealing who is a partner to whom, that all depends on the posts during the night cycle. “ Arinian is back. So I surely not gonna agree with point 3! I'm and Stick are VERY substantial Also I don't know why I should agree with someone next time my partner surely will be more accurate in phrasing. And that's all... for now.

Huh it's was hard but I found thing in Aman's post that confuses me. I also have PM with kandra but there no Kandra in title! So what is that? Kandra on their own creating PMs so title means nothing? Or that GM's failure? Or... there something else... hmm... I want to hear answer from other players who have had PMs from kandra.

So what to say... hmm... It's C1 and as always there not much from what to go. Hey Stick! What a nice sunny day, isn't it? Also you looks extremly suspicious today

I don't know whom to choose... thinking between Orlok and HH. I looked over HH's posts and his behavior is usual for Village!HH only thing that I've seen is that he looks too nervous about lynch on him, in AG3 where HH was villager he reacted on accusation more calmly(that's how it looked for me). Also Orlok's point about HH: He right HH played only LGs so that's also catched my attention. What to say about Orlok? All his accusations of Aman for me looks like big scratch, he just tried to get something from nowhere. Also from some failures in his statements I can say that he was too eager in throwing them, but in my opinion elims more careful with things that they write. And also after he losed his battle against Aman he just said something like "Okay you right, but look! I was right about HH" for me looked like he was to fast in throwing accusation and taking them back. Still I don't know for who to vote. I will vote for HH but only cause looks like there enough vig kills to deal with Orlok if HH villager.(I don't know why I'm voting on HH over Orlok I just don't know... that's what my gut says to me).

About what plan you talking? Cause looks like I missed it. But anyway I want to add my thoughts on what you said. First: there can be much more reasons why Aman not dead, I can bring them but don't want to waste my time on that. Second I've seen many times people going for inactives and that's never ended well... for village. Even if Szeth is elim it's will say us nothing about other his teammates. That will lead to wasted lynch, you can say that there enough vig kills. But you will be wrong cause vig kill it's decision of one person and we can't get in his head and understand why he done that, and lynching inactive kills discussion. Okay, you can say that we can discuss other people even if lynching inactive player but from what I've seen that's wrong, all discussion will die. I can't say much about you cause it's usual for you to be not very active and there not big diference when you elim or villager. So I can't say if you are elim, but your advices unhelpful. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm not Kelsier too ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So back to people whom I suspect. Stick. I not gonna say something new about her. Logic says that she is same as was in other games so I shouldn't suspect her. But my gut screams "Lynch her immideately she is surely elim!!!" So better don't listen to my conclusions about her. Joe. Mainly I suspect him cause revealing that he is kandra looks for me like not very clever idea for villager. Even if he thought that there enough other kandra that gives even more information for elims, yes it gives information for village too but elims already know more then we so they can use this information better. Also I can be little bit biased, cause I want my vengeance! Also I suspect Orlok... yes Orlok. Why? Cause he was one who asked questions, no one even tried to give a doubt to his alignment. It's looks like good strategy for good players when they are elims. Don't let people to ask be the one who asks, part of his questions I see as absolutely not useful, there was no need to ask them. Of course it's good thing to encourage activity, but while you was asking questions I didn't get any read on you, also how you pushing on HH... I want to say he is easy target to focus lynch on him and you doing that. Also I think that mixed with bad gut read on Orlok. Hmm... what to add. Len, I can't say much about Len but his behavior same as when he villager. Just people in this game got too focused on his usual issues. No vote for now... deciding between Joe and Stick... maybe Drought. Also I don't like lurkers so don't be amazed if I will vote for someone with low activity(Straw, Bart)(Yes I don't like lurkers and can't do nothing with myself, I'm super paranoid about them). And also I have some bad gut read on Jon... but that just bad gut read without any reasons. Aaaand that's all for now!

I will answer why I'm not suspicious of Stick. Will give you example: Remember what happened with Rae in AG3 and LG30. She was very suspicious but in both she was villager. And in both games I stated that I not suspicious of Rae because of that, yeah not suspicious because she is suspicious. Same thing with Stick it's usual behavior for Village!Stick when she suspicious. I hope that's understandable answer. Damnation what a wall of text you wrote. My bad english mess ups Aman's read on me... hmm... don't sure if it's good or bad thing So to answers. You can look back on other games that I played and I was not more active then in this one(I just like to keep thoughts in my head, so yeah I know that's not very good thing to do). LG30 was exception, I wanted to change my playstyle on more active but that's not repaid(in LG30) so I think I just got frustrated by that. And that's answer to level of my activity in this game. Also I don't have much suspicions or solid evidence to provide. Can say on whom I get bad gut read or suspecting for weird unsubstuntial reasons. Randuir. Honestly he looks for me same as in LG30 where he was elim. Also there was something but I should go reread day turn to say what. Also I get bad feeling(I even can't call that gut read) about Mage and Silverblade but that's all. So probably that's also why I silent *shrug*. RP:

Okay. I played couple games with Stick and I can say without doubt that her playstyle makes me instantly suspicious of her(and I should add all time when I was suspicious of her she was villager). But in this game I didn't get this feeling, she sounded different at start(now I can say that now she not suspicious for me cause she suspicious now , yeah hardly understandable logic). As I said I've seen already many times like someone fails in his words and then he just getting lynched for it even if it was something not very suspicious. Same thing happening with Phatt now. But as I said that don't prove nor innocence nor guilt it's not indicative.(but cause there no other people about whom I can say that they are suspicious I voted for him) Stick too said some suspicious things (after I said that she suspicious, so now I can say that she again doing usual things for Village!Stick) but I can't say much about Phatt and what is usual for him cause in games where I played with him he was not very active or said not many things from which I can get read on him. So you can say I chose lesser evil ( I just voted on someone whom I count as little bit suspicious. Or you think that better vote on someone who not suspicious for me?)

Alrin shrugged and shook Juan’s hand. “Nice to meet me?” He snorted then added. “What I’m doing here? Wasting time, like all other nobles. And wine there not bad… I think”. He poured wine in another glass and pushed it to Juan. “Also if you so interested I was waiting for someone but apparently this someone is late”. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ It's usual for me to give doubt too suspicious actions, yes I think that Phatt said things that sounds really suspicious but I've seen same things from many players. So I think that's not sooo indicative as you think. (reminding you about Stick's lynch in spy game). But I will vote on Phatt cause I just don't have other leads. Don't have much to say about phatt cause he showed not high level of activity in other games too. I'm little bit suspicious of Stick but it's usual for me Also I was ninjad by Mage and HH... nice

Ahh... no problem with cutting in my RP . But don't wait further RP(atleast in 10 hours) from me cause it's 2 AM right now and I gonna go sleep little bit.

Honestly I wanted to end pre-history. But okay ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Alrin poured wine in glass and just raised it to take a sip but he was interrupted. That was one of musicians which took a seat on opposite side of table (honestly Alrin was so deep in his thoughts that he noticed that there was music only after they ended to play). Musician fiddled with his mustache and then asked. “So, who might you be, good man?” Alrin sighed he was so bored by questions. But man on the other side looked not like all this nobles and he sounded genuinely interested. So he decided to give a chance to musician. “Alrin. My name is Alrin. But you will hear nothing more from me until I will know your name” he said.

Hmm... so what to say. Cause it's first turn I don't know on whom to vote *shrug* Are you certain that you certain that you not certain? I agree with you but from what I've seen there some tendency for people on first turn(not only on first turn) to advice contribution crusade or throw poke votes and from what I've seen that's not indicative for alignment. So chances for Len to be elim or villager equal. You looks not extremly suspicious today. And that makes me suspicious of you / Green pie And RP:

Khm... yes. I want to sign up as Arvian