The Technovore

This is a lot of thread and it's way too late for me to read all the arguments and counterarguments, but it seems to me that if Adhesion's Full Lashing is indeed just a temporary re-writing of Spiritwebs so that Object A thinks that Object B is part of Object A... the applications of this could be substantial, yes? Could an Allomancer burn metal that's Adhesion'd to their person? Could, in a more contemporary time, fully-controllable prosthetics be made that run on Stormlight and a couple Full Lashings? Could it somehow be applied to unlock Spiritweb-specific invested tools? (I.E., Shardblades, Metalminds, Breaths) 

These are fun thoughts. 

On 10/4/2021 at 7:52 PM, Nameless said:

Impossible. All who know of the game play the game. The only difference is that some care about it.

Correct, this game is a meme-complex that infiltrated our noosphere in the year of 1992 and has plagued us ever since. It's memetic properties mean that as soon as you perceive its existence, it is permanently bonded to you as its host. It does not matter whether you believe. It does not matter what you choose. It does not matter who you are, or what you do, or why you scream for the Game to release you. It has you, and it will never let you go.

You, like everyone else, chose to venture into this universe, to learn and gain knowledge and open your senses. Sometimes you learn things you wish you didn't. Sometimes you regret your senses. Sometimes it does not matter. Sometimes, it just is.

@therunner

This of course was a capital offense in the land of Berries and Cream, so they were all ceremoniously crammed into 2012 Chevy Silverado (which was colored gold), and were driven--

All got into a 2008 Chevy Corvette Convertible and travelled to the land of Berries and Cream.

Also note the scene in Bands of Mourning where Marasi and Wayne visit the graveyard. Marasi reflects on Survivorist theology that Kelsier will one day "return in his glory" (I see you ripping off both our religions, Brandon. Don't think I don't ), specifically when the world is in great danger or need. The Southerners have the same belief. This doesn't fit HoA lore specifically, but does thematically. Could it be Kell (or rather, his followers) just co-opting an already existing theological trope? Maybe. Probably. It doesn't rule out the prophecy actually applying. I think it could be a very interesting plot point in Era 4, but I don't think it will occur in Era 3. Saze is a Hero of Ages, and 300 years doesn't quite cut it imo. I want to see a bit more of him. 

All in all, I like this theory, have some rep.

Edit: Also, welcome to the Shard, my friend! If the chasmcrawlers don't get ya, the cookies will! By the way, most excellent tattoo (you can't see it but I'm giving a thumbs-up)

On 9/12/2021 at 5:01 PM, Fezzik said:

I know Steelrunner called it a hiatus when he was on his Mormon mission (which lasts for 2 years), so if I had to jump to conclusions, that would be it.

*points* that's the one  This Cali boy is headin to Texas (I know Texas has a thing about that but I promise I come in peace)

Consider: What would be the institutional response to an irl Mistborn or Radiant? Scientific curiosity? Sensational fearmongering? A declaration of war? A new religion started? All of the above? Imagine how awkward it would be for Brandon...

On 9/10/2021 at 10:51 AM, ScadrianTank said:

Mistborn powers are generally more useful in day-to-day life, so that's what I'd choose. 

On a completely unrelated note, seeing this topic's name gives me flashbacks to that... thread. I can't even imagine what will happen after Lost Metal is released.

Smh I'm taking an extended hiatus so I'll miss S v R III: Revenge of the Medallions  Oh well, I'm sure I can pop in during S v R V: Scadrial Strikes Back (MB Era 3), or at the latest during S v R VI: Return of the Radiants (Stormlight 6) 

Edit: to get back on topic, I think IRL Radiancy would be *extremely* revolutionary for our tech, as we'd find continuous ways to repurpose surges for machines, one day automating everything with fabrials. Having Mistborn and Mistings would be really complementary for our existing tech imo, enhancing what humans can do next to machines and if automation comes down the line, it'd integrate well with our current engineering prowess. Either way, people with powers would be in *really* good financial positions, no matter their "skill set".

3 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

Thanks! I definitely wasn't just pinging everyone who was active.

you're special though

don't worry

Hahahahahahaha, now THAT makes more sense. Cheers anyway.

Edit: Mkay got some context. Looks like SPancakes and Queen are dueling, and I, like so many others, am merely a casualty. How many losses will be needed before the duel is decided? The Desolation is nigh...

Bruuuhhh I was going on like a 2 year streak and I get sniped suddenly in a giant list of pings.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty happy that I've been noticed. (assuming it wasn't just at random lol)

Cheers, @Szeth_Pancakes 

2 hours ago, DoctaDajman said:

I have wondered; if steel feruchemy speeds you up and you precieve the world as being slower (the bullet time effect), then wouldn't filling it make you precieve time as being faster?  How nice would it be to take long passenger rides / flights or even just plain boring days at work and being able to store speed and precieve the day to be going way faster?   

This is probably an entirely different topic thread, but I assert that Steel Feruchemy does not speed up or slow down your mind or the way you perceive the world. My arguments for this are as follows:

1) Mental Speed is stored in Zinc and Physical Speed is stored in Steel. If they had the same effect, they wouldn't be separate metals, because Brandon doesn't do his magic design like that.

2) In SoS, there is a moment where Paalm taps a ton of Speed right as Wayne throws up a speed bubble. Interestingly, the prose makes it seem like Paalm took a second to realize that Wax was actually watching her, something that should've been more immediately obvious if it was actually increasing her mental speed.

3) Obviously there needs to be *some* kind of mental enhancement to make speed running work. I assert that these effects are in the subliminal part of the mind: Reflexes, physical coordination, etc. Have you ever had a moment where you're physically doing something you're usually bad at, but you start excelling for a brief moment, because your body is moving faster than your mind? And as soon as you realize the fact, and try to do it consciously, the magic ends? That's how I imagine the experience of steelrunning: You see yourself moving *fast*, but your subliminal control of your body is compensating--you don't *need* conscious control to avoid crashing into walls. 

The other thing is: When Sazed is storing everything, he doesn't remark that time seems to be moving slowly/quickly. His thoughts are moving slowly, but his body is moving even slower, Saze remarking on how agonizingly slow his arms are. Meanwhile, those speaking to him move and speak normally, Saze's PoV not noting anything strange in their timing. 

It's a good idea, but imo what you're looking for is A-Cadmium ;P

And thus the longest thread ended.

Their wars lasted for centuries, spanning a thousand star systems and sacrificing a trillion lives. And then, finally...

17 minutes ago, Inquisitor #5 said:

And in any case, are you not using more energy to raise the piston than you gain by lowering it? A single lowering should always get you roughly the same amount of work, as it only lowers a set amount, and you lose some energy as heat due to friction. To raise it again you need to do as much work as it takes to raise the mass of the piston and a fraction of the mass of the person on top and you lose energy to friction again. You need to do the same work to raise an object as lowering the same object the same distance creates, and you will only get a set amount of work out of a piston, the only change is how fast said work is, and you lose energy to friction each time.

I don't know about other attempts to get infinite energy out of Invested Arts, but Iron Feruchemy absolutely breaks the equations surrounding kinetic and potential energy, work, and gravity.

In our real world, if you perform work and lift an object up, you expend force to lift it and give it potential energy. When you release, the potential becomes kinetic as gravity takes over and it's sucked back toward the planet surface. Gravity provides "free Force" but it can provide no energy because it's always net zero, because you're expending at least as much force to lift as it will expend when it drops (then you add air resistance and thermodynamics enters the equation, so you're LOSING energy).

Iron Feruchemy breaks it, because suddenly you can lift a very very light object, and then drop a very heavy one. It's net-zero as far as Investiture is concerned, but it's NOT net-zero in physics. By lifting a light person and dropping a heavy one, you just added kinetic energy to the universe and broke thermodynamics. (You can do this reverse by lifting a heavy person and dropping a light one). While the engineering to harness this power is a bit tricky, and would be a lot nicer if we could get Iron Feruchemy to apply to objects instead of just people one day, the power *is* right there for the taking. Honestly, SoScad is probably doing similar things with their Brass Ferrings, although Heat Feruchemy seems to be more beholden to thermodynamics than Weight Feruchemy. (Or at least harder to crack since humans need a specific temperature to survive but couldn't care less about their gravitational pull)

Granted, you are now a world-class thief.

Your teeth are crooked, extremely painful, with the consistency of sponge.

I wish for a spark of joy.

45 minutes ago, Brightness Warrior said:

Granted. You are irrationally terrified of people with black nail polish.
 

I wish for dishes that wash themselves.

Begone goths! Back! Back I say! *holds photo of Bob Ross wardingly before self*

Granted! Every night at 2am you're awoken to find that one of your belongings, that's not furniture or electronic, has been shattered, shredded, or otherwise gruesomely destroyed at the foot of your bed.

I wish for unlimited free Delta business-class plane tickets.

Actually that was Kel misattributing the cause of his horrible stomach cramps after he ate some bad street food.

Peppa, upon seeing the total dearth of frogs, salamanders, or wood for her nibblings, decided to go find the Plot.

Even better, infuse an object with Division (somehow), then Lash it at the enemy to explode on impact.

They're just dropping rocks from the sky, except the rocks are bombs.

Never saw the Nightwatcher go "lol no you're double screwed" to Rosharans though. Maybe the Nightwatcher irrationally doesn't like Earth people. *gasp*. The Nightwatcher must be racist!

I wish the Nightwatcher wasn't racist.

On 6/11/2021 at 2:31 AM, asmodeus said:

I've been thinking, what if Skybreaker and Dustbringer Division both allow for propulsion?

That way, Skybreakers would be like the fighter jets of the Knights Radiant. With Adhesion and Gravitation, Windrunners have flexibility and agility. So it could be that the Skybreakers fulfill another niche, especially once they get plate. This niche of less agile, less flexible, but more destructive and faster-over-distance combatants. Where they would potentially be able to use Division and the more oxygen-rich Rosharan air to generate propulsion and achieve supersonic flight.

That way, a group of Skybreakers flying in formation passing a village wouldn't be unlike a flight of low-altitude fighter jets, giving you this idea of where their moniker of Skybreakers might come from.

This also helps with the Dustbringers. Where Edgedancers can slick themselves but have to gracefully skate, a Dustbringer could slick themselves with Abrasion, and then be able to use Division-based propulsion to travel quickly over land, giving them this niche of fast, mobile, land corps that can cover ground and deliver destruction where needed. A kind of land cavalry that, 1) brings Division-based destruction, breaking things, and 2) leaves behind a trail of dust and fire, as they use Division on the ground for propulsion, leaving a wake of dust behind them. The Dustbringers.

An image springs to mind, a pair of travelers moving across Roshar, coming upon a series of burnt gashes in the stone, not perfectly straight, but moving near-parallel to each other from the West to the East.

The Younger asks, "What is this?"

"It is the mark of the Dustbringers. They move to the warfront," says the Elder.

"What will they do there?"

The elder stares at the trails, wrinkles furrowing in thought. His gaze drifts to the horizon, to the distant cities, kingdoms, and wars beyond it. "They will release Alethela from its burden. They'll end the war for them."

Is a good image. I like this concept of Dustbringers.

On 6/9/2021 at 9:10 AM, Ixthos said:

I probably should have used Honour instead of Tanavast, but I think a lot of people would think I mispelled Honour if I wrote it with a u, and I couldn't bring myself to spell it without a u.

You made the right decision. I have started, am starting, and will again start flame wars over this.

Granted, your toes are replaced with my toes.

I wish for more time to think of wishes

*narrows eyes*

I don't know what you're trying to pull, but just to be safe I'm taking your eyesight and replacing it with about 30lbs of gold coins. 

I refuse to think too much about it, but I'm pretty sure that's not how banes work.

I wish to become a technomancer, being able to interface directly with and control computers through instinctual means.

Weightless when you choose, for indefinite amounts of time that you choose. 
Granted. This is the ability that you have, as you are now an Iron Ferring Windrunner. However, your bane is that your biological form is now irreversibly adapted to zero-gravity environments. Experiencing gravity is painful, and if you actually hit the floor, Harmony help you. 

I wish for the Nightwatcher to be released from its chains and oaths and given the will to do as it pleases. 

16 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Granted 

Your bane is that when you get back from they Pocket Dimension all your friends and family along with everyone you’ve ever known will be gone having forgotten you and disappeared 

Don’t try to mess with the banes

I wish to be a Fullborn

Upvote for good bane.

Granted,

However, as your spiritual DNA is being rewritten to have this incredible power, some other changes are made. First off, you've lost your ears, and your nose. Thousands of small, thin gashes now cover your body, constantly bleeding. Gold and Aluminum cannot fix these wounds, as they are now written into your very soul. Secondly, your Connection to Preservation has summoned both it, and Ruin, into the real world. 16% of all humanity is some form of Metalborn, either Misting, Mistborn, or Feruchemist. Just as soon as you come into your power, Ruin begins to make moves. Natural disasters increase. Hemalurgic abominations begin to cause chaos. A strange cult dedicated to Ruin rises, bent on planetary destruction. There is mass confusion, mass panic, and metal prices are going through the roof. You are the single most powerful human on the planet, yet you look absolutely revolting. What will you do in this Brave New World? The choice is yours.

I wish for a happy little tree.