Frozen Mint

I meant that either a lot of people used Lines of Forbiddance or a lot of people used Lines of Vigor. I wonder which way it skewed.

Oh wow. Either lots of players were playing it safe last cycle or we have a lot of roleblocks this round.

Oof if I remember correctly this game goes quickly. This will be fun. Great idea. Hello! Looking for friends. Will kill you later rather than sooner.

I'll join as Mint.

Your green text says "Mist" instead of "Mint." I don't think we can rely much on the past playstyles of new players to clear them. If they've never been an elim, we don't know what they would do. If they have, then they're likely to evolve their deception tactics. Actually, looking back it this post, I'm surprised that so many people suspect me. Why would I out the rest of my team? Vapor, you could argue, they were a top lynch candidate, but why Experience? Especially when no one else had an elim read. Even if you suppose there's a four person elim team, which I find unlikely, it doesn't make sense. I can understand why people find me suspicious from D1, but I feel if there is any evidence after D1, it outweighs D1 evidence. D1 should mainly be used as primary evidence if there's nothing else since D1 is usually kind of a mess. @Ashbringer Could you elaborate more on why you find me suspicious? I feel like you've pointed out a couple of things through out the game but you're also not responding to my replies to your reasonings. If it comes down to it, I don't think I'll switch my vote for self preservation. I'm feeling that Ash and Kynedath are village right now, and I don't want to kill a villager and then drag on discussion of my lynch into the next cycle which would keep the spotlight off an elim.

I can't speak for anyone else but I feel like he's flying under the radar and I don't have better leads. Their vote on Ash also seems somewhat defensive but that could be me tunneling. I also do not like this tie at all. And not just because I'm one of the top lynch candidates.

I'm feeling kind of lost but I'll give some analysis a go. Kynedath: Mostly rules analysis on D1. On D2, asked for a summary of why people are suspicions of Vapor and against a Lotus lynch. Briefly mentions that they aren't on board with an Experience lynch on D3. I'm not sure what to make of their recent lack of activity. I'm tempted to be suspicious that we've seen little contribution from them re:lynch discussion, but would an elim hang back while they were a top suspicion? I was going to give them an elim read for flying under the radar, but flying under the radar is different from no activity at all, so I'll hold back on my suspicion for now. @Kynedath Thoughts on the game? Ashbringer: Votes for me very late D1, staying out of the Vapor/Mist lynch, which I initially found suspicious. But he did vote on Experience not late into D3, and Experience voted on Ashbringer after their 3rd (4th?) vote switch so I'll... say village read for now. Pyro: Before this cycle, I would have said Pyro seems to be flying under the radar somewhat. They've been posting but the posts have been short, and they seem less active than usual. Experience's initial vote on D3 was Pyro but Experience switched to me very quickly, so I don't know if Experience's vote makes me think Pyro is more likely to be village. Not really sure what to think but I'm keeping an eye on them. Silb: Up for the lynch and hasn't posted minimally. Sharing Sart's scan results is a village move but I don't like how they've been staying under the radar. @Lord_Silberfarben what are your current reads? I got a passion of protection, and then a passion of passions which I used to choose protection. It did occur to me that Sart's the most likely to have protection but then I figured that if everyone who got protection figured that and decided not to protect Sart, or no one got protection... It didn't seem like a good reason not to protect him. A lot of people have been saying that they've found me suspicious, but it's mostly been based around gut reads so I'm not sure if there's much I can do about that. Also I'm a she

I protected Sart again during the night. If any villager attempted vigilante justice, I suggest that they share it with the thread. If one of the killers wasn't village, it means we have two elims left. I would've guessed that there's one remaining.

Who do you guys want to lynch D4? Does anyone have any other suspicions? I do think Experience is an elim but it's also kind of a shame their lynch gained so much traction so quickly. It seems to have killed discussion.

Is this a rerun by any chance? It looks familiar but I guess that could also be because of the Rithmatist theme.

I'm going to give Illwei a village read for their vote on Vapor D1: Given that it was a D1 vote, it could be distancing, but I don't think Illwei would've backed it up with solid reasoning if it was a distancing tactic. At least not without providing reasoning for multiple players to prevent drawing attention to Vapor. The only issue I have is how soon did Vapor announce in the elim doc that she was okay with dying? Did the other elims treat Vapor as a villager in the thread from the start, since Vapor was okay with sacrificing herself? If Experience turns out to be a villager, I'm going to presume that none of the elims made any moves to ensure Vapor's survival when doing any analysis going forward. Come to think of it, the elims didn't break the tie between Mist and Vapor on D1 which is... interesting. I truly don't see anything suspicious about Lotus' D1 vote. Yes, it saved Vapor, so it's possible that an elim!Lotus would have that motive. But I'm not really willing to give them an elim read on that alone. Right now I'd say my top suspicions are Experience and Kynedath but holding off somewhat on Kynedath until they post their suspicions. I suspect I'm going to have to re-evaluate some of my village reads as well... @Ashbringer Who are your suspicions? It struck me that you're giving reasoning behind your lynch votes but haven't really posted much on reads beyond that. @Experience I mentioned my suspicion of you on D2:

Gah. I got the passion of protection and used it to protect Sart. I considered switching it to TJ after Sart's reveal but decided against it. :/ Experience for now. I'll probably make another post by the end of the cycle.

Any of us might die. We don't know who the elims will choose to kill. I don't think I'm a particularly likely target but I'm still a potential target. I was wrong. Alright TJ, you're in my village reads now.

Very quickly, some things to note in case I die: Suspicious of TJ for change in tone and being slightly less active in the thread than they usually are. He's just seemed different than previous games. I'm wondering if this is his first game as an elim. Suspicious of Kynedath. A lot of their activity has been role analysis and I've seen little in the way of suspicions. He voted on Vapor after Vapor claimed. I still haven't gone back and reviewed cycle 1 but I'm inclined to give Lotus a village read, given that they requested to be scanned. Could be a bluff, knowing that the village is unlikely to get a scan, but it honestly wasn't a given that they'd be lynched next cycle so seems like a more risky move for an elim. Unfortunately, I'm very busy today so can't do a more in-depth post. I'll likely be swamped til Tuesday (well I'll try to take a break tomorrow but we'll see how it goes) but I'll try to keep popping in.

Gah I'm sorry Vapor. I've been bad with pronouns and SE lately with all the players I'm not familiar with. I don't think you being suspicious Vapor makes a likely elim kill target. And if Lotus is an elim, I doubt they'd kill you because killing you could incriminate Lotus.

Is this your way of saying you think I'm an elim? I don't like this lynch train and the lack of resistance. Even if it does appear Vapor is an elim with her latest post. I wish I was able to get on sooner but oh well. Nothing to be done about that. Current reads: Experience: strange that they didn't initially vote on Vapor when posting their reads since the reads seem to suggest that Vapor is the best lynch candidate, it's natural to be unsure this early in the game, but votes can be changed later in the cycle. Only voted after Vapor claimed- elim Illwei: posts giving off classic SE paranoia - null Matrims Dice: mostly a gut read at this point - village Lotus - Nothing stuck out to me but I've seen a lot of conversation about Lotus' potential link with Vapor in the D1 lynch, so I'll need to go back and take a further look, but for now - null TJ Shade: tone is definitely more relaxed than in previous games - null Kynedath: my gut's going back and forth, will need to do a closer look at their posts - null Vapor: I didn't think much of his earlier elim "claims" to be honest, I could've credited it to a chaotic playstyle. But that last post seems genuine so... - strong elim Lord Silberfarben: I like the point TJ made about Silb putting a scan target on himself by sharing that Sart is village, making Silb's claim a risky move for an elim - slight village Elkanah - excited, generally seems to be helpful but I do wonder if they're just experienced enough to do a good impression. I like how they tried to get more information by pressuring Elandera on D1 by voting on Kynedath. Genuine villager or expert manipulator? You decide - slight village The Young Pyromancer - also more relaxed tone than in previous games, not too many posts - null Ashbringer: pretty confidently said they were suspicious of a villager (well, I know I'm village anyways ) without listing many other suspicions, so didn't have a reads list to hide behind if I actually ended up lynched, which makes me think village (not sure if I'm repeating myself, I don't remember if I mentioned this reasoning before) - village Sart the Bard: based off of Silb's claim - village Given all the nulls and lack of elim reads, I'm going to try and suss out some elim reads from my nulls on N2. I already have a couple of hunches. I'm wondering if it would be best to refrain from sharing villagers confirmed by scans. Elims tend to kill trusted villagers, so it puts a target on the confirmed villager. I think it would be best to keep the knowledge to yourself unless said confirmed villager is a contender for the lynch. I would say the ideal thing to do would be to tell some people you trust in PMs if you can, so the knowledge doesn't necessarily die off if you do. The people you PM might betray you but it's a better bet than sharing with the entire thread. Vapor not trying to save herself is... very bad, if he is elim. At this point, I'm hoping she's a villager because than we might get more information from the lynch. Because if elim!Vapor just gave herself up than the other elims aren't trying to save her either which... means this lynch gives us zero information. In fact, it might be a negative number because lynches of elims that elims don't try to influence lead to some really misleading analysis.

This is a great idea and I'll be stealing it too. I received the Passion of Connection and used it to create a PM. I'd rather not reveal who's in the PM though, since if we end up with some sort of PM network this game, I don't want the elims to be too sure about it. So I did an analysis of all the passions: Passion of survival All actions targeting you that night will be switched to a player of your choice This isn't a helpful action for the village, unless you think you're a likely target for the elim kill and have a strong suspicion to redirect to. Possible actions to target another player are roleblock, protect, scan, kill, and coerce. This passion is likely to redirect actions to a villager and/or redirect actions of a villager, so we end up working against each other instead of with each other. Potentially useful later in the game. Basically not a great action for the village unless someone has a specific reason to use it. @Zillah Are players notified if their actions are redirected? Passion of connection Create one PM between any two players Originally I was going to say that I'm not really sure how PMs are useful to the village in this game since there are no roles or any reason for villagers to keep information a secret from the thread, so this action is more useful to elims. However, I've since realized that PM's can be a useful way to coordinate actions with people you trust. For example, you might not want to announce who you're roleblocking to the thread because the elims will switch who submits the kill but you could share it in PMs if both you and the other person are roleblocking and don't want to hit the same person. Risky of course, but we'll see how this plays out. If anyone wants a PM with someone, consider announcing it in the thread. Someone who's not really interested in their passion of connection might help you out. I think it was Mist (?) who did that last cycle. Passion of empathy During one of the two following day cycles you may use this and one vote will be removed from your lynch total Hm. Vote manipulation. I feel like if a villager uses this to save themselves, it'll probably drag on their lynch discussion longer. Because then there'll be discussion on whether we should try lynching them again. It gives the elims more time. If a villager uses this passion to save themselves, I won't hold it against them. But it's not great for the village overall unless an elim dies after they use it. If by saving themselves, an elim is lynched instead, great! If instead an elim is killed that night... well, we might have clues for better leads then. So long story short, this action has the potential to be useful I suppose but for the most part, I'd say it's more helpful for the elims. Passion of protection Choose one player to protect from all attacks this night cycle, not including yourself Great for pretty much whoever who gets it. Passion of teamwork Choose a player. You learn who targeted that player during this night cycle Excellent action for the village, a chance to find a killer. Elims can't get much use from this since the information they get tells them pretty much nothing about who will use what action next. Passion of sabotage Can roleblock one player Hm. Also potentially useful to find a killer. Also might deprive the village of helpful information, depending on what gets blocked. Standard roleblock stuff basically. Not a bad action. Passion of logic Your vote counts as two votes the next day cycle If it affects who gets lynched, it could kill the lynch discussion in the next cycle (we all just vote on the person who was "saved" but should've died). Unless the person who dies is an elim. Similar pros and cons to the other vote manipulation, passion of empathy. Passion of planning Can send an anonymous message to any single player, and gets two passions next cycle, however only one may be used @Zillah Are you allowed to state who you are or otherwise claim an identity in this message? If so this could be a... slightly useful action. Like a PM but powered way down. Passion of research Learn the alignment of a player of your choice Best action for the village. Useless to elims. Passion of narcotics You will receive and use a random passion (if the passion requires one or more targets, the targets will be chosen randomly as well) C H A O S Passion of coercion Force any one player to receive their next action from the table of your choosing Pretty much an elim only move. Passion of violence Can attack one player and remove them from the game Mostly useful to the elims but tbh I don't find it impossible that a villager would use this.

I would say that Sart is somewhat cleared now but not Silb. An elim has nothing to lose by confirming a villager. I suppose they might want to keep their options open for future mislynches, but this could also be an easy way to try and gain some village cred.

To be honest, it was a very "I have to vote on someone fast" decision because I thought the cycle ended the next day since I messed up the time conversion. I had village reads on you and Kynedath, so those options were out. It's harder for me to explain why I chose to vote on Mist over Vapor. Vapor's posts just seemed very similar to how his posts always are, but to be honest, it was mostly gut read. I didn't have much time to look into it.

I voted on Mist because they were the best choice among the current lynch candidates, and I wanted to vote on a current lynch candidate to see how vote patterns would shift. Voting on a new player at that point in the cycle wouldn't have been much of a threat and votes without much teeth don't prompt much action, which doesn't give us any hints on who the elims are. I don't think it was suspicious. I thought it was strange and I couldn't think of a reason for it early in D1 since there wasn't any way that TJ could have had secret information. I did have a slight dislike of the approach. Reasoning behind reads is what drives thread discussion and, consequently, what eventually reveals who the elims are. But if TJ feels that keeping it to himself is best so that he can keep an eye on Sart, that's valid. I'll just respectfully disagree. I'm having trouble getting elim reads, which isn't surprising for me in early game. Reading Ash more as village, for being direct and straightforward of their suspicion of a villager (i.e. me). Especially since he doesn't have a longer list of suspicions he can "hide" behind.

This is from a very early D1 post so it's... odd. Not suspicious, just odd. I'm surprised there hasn't been more commentary on it. TJ, I'm wondering if maybe you'd be willing to reveal the reason for your vote at this point? Maybe you're planning on revealing it next turn. I'm feeling pretty good about Kyne and Matrim so far. I also don't see any reason to lynch Vapor. Elandera seems to be pushing some buttons which gives me village vibes, even if she did vote on one of my other village reads. I could vote on a new lynch target but I don't really have anyone I want to vote on. So I'll add a vote to Mist and see what happens, although I suspect Sart might remove their vote on Mist since Mist placed a vote.

Sorry guys, I just realized the cycle ends in less than an hour... half an hour ago. @Elandera @Vapor I'm not sure if my post will convince Elandera to remove their vote on me, but hello, I'm here and would like to not die. Also speaking more generally, I like contribution crusades but I don't see any value in them on D1. It tells us even less than D1 lynches normally do. I'm going to go through the thread to see if I can pick someone to vote on, mostly for the sake of self preservation TBH.

Should I sign up for another game? Questionable. Will I sign up for this LG? Yes, yes I will.

I was right about my elim suspect!? Woohoo! First time for everything @TJ Shade Yup, I was a vote scanner. I also had the ability to to learn other people's abilities which is how I knew Elandera's vote didn't count. @Ashbringer I think I already used my ability scanning action during the day and the only night action available to me was vote scanning the Straw vote, which wouldn't have given more info? Either that or I forgot

Not necessarily an elim hammer. It's just that we have a tie and things have been pretty quiet since yesterday. One could almost say it's too quiet. I'm very curious about what information you have on me because I can't think of what I've done that would incriminate me as an elim. But I'm sure I'll find out. The thing is, minus whatever that is, all of this sounds like extreme conjecture. There could be so many ways I could know that "Vapor vanish" is a myth. Why would you assume I'm a village vote manipulator? And if I am a village vote manipulator, why would it be suspicious to not share that with the thread? I disagree that a vote manipulator not sharing their role with the thread makes them more likely to be an elim. I'll be honest Ash, this feels a lot like trying to pull information out of me that the elims can use, though the fact that you've stated you have information on me makes that less likely. I won't be sharing anymore information, regardless of the pressure I receive.