Elenion

Well it seems like someone else bandwagoned, then I bandwagoned, then you threw a vote that needed an bandwagon but didn't get one. I apologize for my rudeness (looking back I see that I was very rude indeed). I'm actually pretty slow to truly suspect, but anyone who I even slightly suspect is liable to receive death threats, especially when I was the only active senator and so commanded 4 votes. I even changed my title to "Overaggressive SE Player" because of my tendency to threaten. I'm not really suspicious of you since you were acting in the interest of the common villagers and you don't appear to be trying to influence others' votes. **sorry for the double-post, I couldn't add the quote while editing for some reason**

Well, next spot won't be open until 2 game-nights from now, because there's only a vote-out tonight and we won't be able to fill the hole that the Derethi make in the senate (I assume they will continue to target senators) until the night after that. It looks like Mailliw is the unanimous choice to put the scan on, so I'll keep my senate scan vote on him. I find it strange that @eramit suddenly targeted Bard. Either he's trying to throw us off-track or is a bit bitter and is busing Bard for revenge.

Do not eat the cookies. We have not yet appointed a site-wide health inspector and so we cannot guarantee that they will be free from--ahem--contaminants.

Cue the aforementioned brother.

Well, it does figure seeing that your using the Elvish name for Varda, lady of the stars, as your username. I apologize. You have a decent point, but that really smells like a plot to delay your death another turn and therefore give your team another reading on who is what. Funny enough, your accusations of Bard might be attempts to convince us that he's not Derethi, which is just what I'd do if I was an elim about to be killed.

My brother will occasionally sign an informal document in Sindarin, but I'll use my initials juxtaposed, just like the symbol for the Tolkien estate. I thought Erunion had an Elvish ring to it!

I can detect subtext but have a hard time incorporating it correctly; I tend to get anxious and expect the worst possible scenario. I use an alternative where me and someone else agree on a code word. For example, my brother knows that when I say the number "21" that means that he's being a third wheel and needs to leave. I keep them vague enough to be slipped into basically any conversation.

1. I don't remember a full defense of him either, but I don't remember you voting for him either. 2. You have me there; I was as misguided as you. I thought Cloud was bad because of that whole reactions mess at the beginning, but ceased trying to kill him after El proved him innocent. I was suspicious of Elodin as well, but most people were at that time. If you look at my first vote on Elodin, it actually was a poke-vote, but I kept it on him after he didn't respond. 3. Maybe both the Derethi and Jeskeri attacked El, and the monk blocked both of their kills. If so, that would prove him innocent...

I put my scan on Maill but am open to suggestions. I'll be watching the thread on and off, at least twice before turnover.

Great block Cloud! At least I think it was Cloud... Now it's business time. Eramit, your time has come to die. The Senate Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fdCOQLGqPIrCEC5nbBxGz34hdYPfDs1Gj4TRrg4uwGM/edit?usp=sharing

What've you gotten out of it, seeing as you're a fellow Mormon?

That planning that a woman does when she doesn't like something about her man but doesn't want to tell him straight out, so she engineers some plan or other in an attempt to change him.

Hopper full

Ohhh that totally makes sense! Just to wonder; why choose the Quenya of all of his names?

My profile pic is standard fare for a member of The Facepalming Avatar Club, but a little-known fact about my name is that "Elenion" is my corruption of the first name of Ereinion Gil-Galad from The Lord of The Rings.

Oh. In which case, @Kipper that is obviously not a bus. I say obviously because no real suspicion was on Eramit, only a bit of lurking followed by a poorly-executed attempt to divert suspicion, which I saw right through. Were I a Derethi, I would have assigned Eramit as a Village Merchant, a role that is both unobtrusive and hard-to-prove. No one would have been the wiser, and he might have even been elected. Besides, I might die tonight, in which case the village, after seeing me as a Village Landlord (extra vote's on Cloud for tonight) should be more than happy to guide you to the inspection stand or to the noose.

I find it interesting that you point out my bandwagoning (I won't hide it; I love a good bandwagon, as long as it's for the right reasons), but yet you only throw one of five votes needed to remove me, necessitating a bandwagon if you hope to succeed. And if you think that me threatening people with death is abnormal for me, you need to read some of my threats D1. However, one of those threats did end up leading us to Eramit... And what do you mean by "bus?" As in, like, throwing someone under the bus? Or like I'm hopping on a bus full of elims? Or like I'm running people over with a bus? Well, it seems that I'm controversial enough to cause at least a bit of conversation. [see above]. And along that note, here's my suspicions: 1. Elbereth- Saoli: El is pretty good on my list overall; the Senate doc explains my views much better than I can here. 2. Mailliw- Reomaim: Maill hasn't been on much recently. I have no definite opinion. 3. Cloudjumper- Kelron: Cloud is vetted and, bar a massive conspiracy, is legit. 4. The Young Bard- The Mysterious Figure: Bard hasn't done anything to really prove himself either way, but appears reasonable enough to trust temporarily. 5. Ecthelion III- Aeleus: Ecth has been one of my most vocal critics, but seems like he has our best interests at heart. 6. Orlok- Locke: Not active enough to tell anything. 7. Elodin- oaR Village Merchant 8. Straw- Straw: Cloudjumper's confirmation is enough for me. 9. Conquestor- Lorienthe Mysteries Cultist Landlord 10. Eramit- Kolokolo Kolo: Derethi Gyorn. Kill him immediately. 11. Metacognition- Meta: Has been critical of me at times, but hasn't stuck along for enough time to see if it's in a villager-y way. 12. emilylime- Lime: Mostly inactive, but gave me a bad vibe at the start. May be a good choice for investigation. 13. Eolhandras- Eolhandras: No opinion yet. 14. Elenion- Ashkelon: Me. Enough said. 15. Sart- Sart: Same as EmilyLime above. 16. Jaimelecee- Jaena Village Merchant 17. Amanuensis- Opalin: Aman is the most likely choice as a starting senator/elim, but hasn't done anything too suspicious yet. 18. Seonid- Sheon Idris: Not active but a bit suspicious from the gut. 19. Kipper- Kipper: Attacks me with hypocritical bandwagon attack. Not necessarily the best start, but no definite suspicions yet.

Can I hit the QF waiting list? I'll be running Lord of the Rings games, with my first being Terror in Minas Tirith, a game that straddles the line between QF and MR. More information on the game can be found on page 38 of "The Art of Game Creation" thread.

1. Aman, I just learned that your username is an actual word. Nice choice. 2. @cloudjumper, do what he says and protect one of us. Since Aman doesn't want help, that leaves Bard, El, and I. Use your best judgment. 3. All: remember to vote for Cloud tonight and Eramit tomorrow. If you don't I'm more than happy to serve up investigation votes on you. Kolo? 4. For all you Merchants out there, now might be a good night for a business trip. Kolo? (Anyone else notice that very few people, if any, are using kolo anymore?)

Double post, @Ecthelion III? For shame! If today is "A New Threat", let tomorrow be known as "The Voters Strike Back"!

The specifics of the rules make it very difficult for a faction alliance. Not only are there no PMs, but the Jeskeris' victory condition is tied to the demise of the Derethi. It's more likely that Cloud is legit, and they needed a person out of the senate pool. They wanted to kill Cloud but were pretty sure a Kesegan Monk was lurking around Cloud's place, so they opted for killing the lowest-profile senator they could, and Jaime was exactly that. Cloud gets elected, and once again we have no reserve person waiting for the senate. The more the Derethi disturb the Senate, the more we become paranoid about the Jeskeri being elected, and the more the Derethi get a free hand. Here's a few more facts I deduced from Eramit's posts: Straw is not Derethi; Eramit was very suspicious of him last day cycle. Ecthelion III is also not Derethi: he pushed for a scan of Eramit even before I did. And, the biggest one of them all: 3. Cloudjumper is not Derethi: he also pushed for a scan of Eramit. Your reasoning sounds good except it puts suspicion on someone who told me (the only active Senator at the time) to put the scan on a Derethi Gyorn. So Jeskeri, maybe, but not Derethi. @Eolhondras It's fine with me if we recall Bard, as long as we replace him with @Straw. Straw is clean for the reason above, combined with the vet from confirmed Cloud.

@The Young Bard I really doubt that El is Derethi, if only because she voted to scan Eramit first round, although she did retract later. It would have been all too easy for her to nominate someone else, and since I didn't see Eramit as that suspicious I probably went along with it. But what if Cloud and El were both Jeskeri? It would take some serious luck; I estimate only 4 or 5 players started as Jeskeri, and one of them's already dead. What a gamble that would have been, but a truly effective one it could have been.

Here's my breakdown: 1. Elect @cloudjumper, giving him invulnerability tonight. 2. Cloud can then use his duelist's ability on one of us (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). 3. Lynch the traitor Eramit tomorrow, proving once and for all that I'm not Derethi. 4. Don't vote anyone out because we need all of the bodies in the Senate that we can get.

Could I put it in as a QF but still keep separate days/nights, because I think that would be important for story flow as well as helping the players keep track of all of the lying better? Let's take an example: an Outlaw character triggers his ability. The Mordor faction has sent Jimmy to kill him, and Frank the Citadel Guard has used his guard action on the Outlaw as well. The Outlaw gets a message to the effect of "Jimmy and Frank visited your house last night, while you were hiding." The Outlaw has no idea if one is an eliminator, both, or none. However, Frank would be notified that he blocked an attack, and Jimmy would be notified that his attempted kill did not succeed (but isn't doesn't know about either Frank's guarding or about the Outlaw's hiding).

Don't get spiked, but if you are, please die a horrible death.