Stick.

well i feel pretty vindicated disagree that this is not an e/e play, seems like the exact kinda e/e play ud do in desperate times when everyone has been pushing a burnt/mistfallen pairing - this is essentially lylo tho I’ll say to me this indicates mistfallen has probably very little money/is expendable rn and burnt wants to live, so that’s where im leaning for today

I actually never said I e read u, not yet anyway - I am just trying to get some real discussion going to get everybody’s thoughts that said im going to sleep now LOL and i think ur currently leading the exe sooo maybe the loop results will tell us more gngn

are u not fazed by coco's post + vote +reasoning right there im a bit frozen, im pretty sure they were v reading me previously with actual reasons that i dont remember right at this moment - sanity check pls. is that villagery or am i coping edit: @coco.pudding these are both from this loop, from D1 and D2 - both seem like pretty solid v reads to me so wdym by u never were able to get a good read on me? could u elaborate on what posts of mine from after D2 'confused' u?

Interesting

mistfallen: fits the elim profile that would choose to win L1, exerting thread control Been on basically all the lead wagons L1, again affirming the idea that elims were confident in their ability to control the first loop seemed ok when they were being v read by everyone, but switched to exuding weird vibes when pressured around mid-D1 of this loop (this is subjective) there might’ve been other factors idr rn coco: I remain skeptical of the e reads there but I might be getting snowed? that’s always a possibility. plus if im wrong on mistfallen it would be nice to interact with them a bit on their e reads to try and understand their perspective and find them that way edit: hmm, ok, in ur worldview is coco aligned with divergent or tj? Or neither? Maybe one of the NKs? basically im wanting to hear a bit about ur worldview right now, mainly around coco who seems to be ur main e read

I mean, tunnelling =/= incorrect. tunneling means im confident in my worldview, it could be either wrong or right! apologies if im wrong, it can be frustrating being on the receiving end of a tunnel but what’s ur case on coco? u might be able to sell me on it. but i wanna hear the rationale

araris I think ur probably village do u wanna vote an elim together? Mistfallen is an overlap in our reads. also why is burnt off the table for u genuinely sorry if im making everyone repeat things

im gonna be honest guys i have yet to read the entirely of d2 and n2 and the flipless nature of the game is making it a bit hard to just be on top of things without being here all the time so uhmm i still dont know why coco is a suspect but maybe u all see something i dont so ok… Twinstorm also seems eh for an exe rn if we solve today with the assumption that an elim has died in the exes this loop then id probably lean e!tj over e!divergent becuz he fits in better within my mistfallen worldview which i am sorta still stuck on not sure why we shouldn’t be going for the higher activity ppl today? isn’t it better for us to ensure elims DONT buy the powerful stuff?

oh LOL wild ok i hadnt read this turn yet nice, so if we exe araris tomorrow that will mean - if we win the loop, we need to find one, but if we lose the loop we might actually be able to hard-clear everyone not-araris that dies this loop? correct me if im wrong

Re araris claim i think it’s probably always village to go for the blast mask but only if it’s actually been equipped… which we have no way of knowing until someone targets him. would’ve been nice to have a postman

tj why would they bring it up yet they are not in any actual danger rn - and besides they will prob get a teammate to bring it up (ahem) if that's the plan also ya it tracks with the elims having probably connected the dots to wonko's stance on using postman to trigger blast = he has the postman hat, so obviously.... i am maybe tunneling but i dont think im wrong edit: a huge part of why i cant shake my e read on mistfallen is that they have basically no reaction to me constantly pushing them. i feel like a villager will push back or question it/cast doubt on my motivations or something, they are just ignoring it the way they did last game as e because they have enough ppl v reading them. historically when players dont address/minimally engage with my pushes on them they are e

wow…. edit: oh ninjad that wow was meant for archer xd

the way i see it the burnt and Mistfallen wagons formed independent of each other (the mistfallen wagon reached its peak before the burnt wagon but they started forming pretty much parallel to each other), and the timing of the divergent wagon was more in line with a “counter wagon” so to speak. Tho imo if divergent is v there’s max two e on the wagon. there is a world where all three of these ppl are e and the elim team just had a crap day but that might be too optimistic Tagging @The Unknown Medallion cuz u asked as well coco is probably a bad train @Ashbringer i am like 90% sure that’s a villa like cmon look at this, this unvote makes no sense to me LOL it’s funny that i have zero threadpull here

yuss thank u that makes sense but during N3 they’ll be at greater risk of hard outing an alive elim (ie the nk carrier) via Mask of Scents, Kreaton Mask, and Don Gero or risking a no kill via Bremen or Stone Mask. would probably be not so great if they’re at the stage where they’ve lost 2 already

mmmm i think yea ur right i prolly would’ve pushed for an L1 win as e regardless of my team composition cuz winning 3 consecutive loops means we wouldn’t have had to the play loop 4 and as e i usually want games over asap LOL so I would’ve gone for an all or nothing approach, although thinking a bit more about it I think that if any of my teammates were under heavy suspicion I would have advocated for a loss for L1 cuz imo that loop is better for elims to lose than any of the later loops? I haven’t done the math for it but that’s just what my heart says ….that said I only subbed in towards the end of L1 D2 so none of this is actually relevant cuz they obv made the decision to go for the win N1 with the holstered kill,, Good food for thought tho but anyway, a wonko kill is weird because killing a confirmed is optimal for N1 since that is the one turn no investigative or manipulative actions will happen since we’ll all be busy equipping the masks. u can always kill other nonconf villagers to dilute the pool of suspects later on in the loop if u expect u may end up losing 2 elims don’t rly think wonko can be e level 1 take here would be that it means divergent was e, but it could also mean Mistfallen is e and the kill was a preemptive response to them receiving pressure the previous day. also for lying about me lurking and never rly acknowledging it and their train basically becoming inconsequential by eod despite the number of ppl that expressed suspicion on them throughout the turn im also willing to vote Burnt for being an obvious teammate with mistfallen (plus my logic re: Mistfallen and the wonko nk applies to burnt as well, though maybe a tad less so for being somewhat “too on the nose”) won’t stop a TJ train obv interested to see his response @Araris Valerian I might’ve missed something but when did u go from “archer and wonko are both v” to “there’s got to be at least one e between them”? cuz i remember mind melding with that earlier take of urs during loop 1

I haven’t properly read the eod from last turn yet just looking at this vc i townread everyone on burnt and half of the divergent wagon (excluding the conf villa) is from my poe pool Mistfallen wagon is also pure…. but that’s just my opinion @Burnt Spaghetti why no self pres? Idr what ur read on divergent was

just to be fully transparent guys, the city im currently in has kinda been a warzone for the past 2 days, NOT figuratively im grateful for this game cuz it’s a nice ‘end of the day’ distraction (when I can afford it) but it seems like things have not been improving and i might have to request a sub if it gets past a certain point but ya just a PSA for potentially reduced activity bc my wifi has been acting up as well due to certain services being disrupted in the region

edit: So On loop 1 we needed to only kill 1, due to the 2.5 parity rule and there being no exe D1

i actually love this vote count rn sorry i feel like i bullied u a bit there esp if u are indeed E lol if ur v im interested to hear actual thoughts like, not just VCA but more social reads if u have any since i best evaluate people based on how they present their social reads cuz it acts like a window into their natural thought progression. if those arent ur thing, maybe just vibe based social reads?

right but they were doing the opposite of asserting villager-ness by arguing against my reasons to villa read them (but to be clear I don’t find just that in and of itself suspicious, it was also the way it was said that bugged me) I was secretly reading burnt’s response to pressure with a vote onto an already-leading mistfallen train as a bus/distancing and was thinking to myself she’s prolly gonna switch votes as soon as it becomes viable that someone else might go instead. well well well tbf only half of that has been proven right so far so let’s see conf village: wahr ash TUM village reads (imo there’s no e here): doc coco wonko lighter village (could be some e here but Id have to be convinced): archer divergent the rest (ok with killing these generally with the exception of drake since he’s just subbed in): drake burnt mistfallen araris hoid hael tj

can u elaborate & thoughts on burnt?

edit: I also don’t understand why as a villager u would keep insisting that ur ok being voted out…..we need to win all 3 loops now which means getting 2 elims in all of them, so it comes off as something ur just saying to appear villagery cuz that was the sentiment last loop. clearly it does not apply this loop and seems misplaced to me

sorry what am I not replying to? (also I live in GMT+4 so u would not have seen me lurking in the last five hours cuz I was asleep & im not going to change my vote now cuz u just fully made that up LOL) burnt is also a fine kill i think she’s been posting a fair amount for rupees collection with relatively little in-thread presence to show for it edit: if ur wondering about my vote on u (& I find it odd that u did not immediately ask, because i had been repping a v read on u all game otherwise) - it was mainly that i had a visceral reaction to ur posts during our conversation then and it felt reminiscent to how u sorta argued against v-reads on urself last game, as elim. also i wanted to force wagon build-up there to see what happens

It feels great cuz odalwa’s mask lets me murder 2x during the day but on the other hand my teammate Squircle just got outed edit: Mistfallen surprise attack @Amanuensis cuz editing in a vote

ur right i prolly shouldve waited for some free spew before revealing,,,,