Stick.

i think a captain is the straightfoward answer but also, if it's burnt/coco/archer/hael then i can see them planning ahead for contingencies and just having coco casually talk to ash about the L1 dead doc earlier this loop in a non-game-related way - it checks out with archer repeatedly asking hael to relay info from ash but idk if the team is that sweaty lol more likely captain,, maybe coco had it

did anyone claim captain L1? @Amanuensis is the captain able to stay hidden if they want/not have themself listed in the usernames at the top of the dead doc? or is that automatically just there

edit: to be clear, someone on the team definitely does have the captain (but we can’t be sure that it is actually hael) something to consider is burnt may have picked up one of the blue masks D1 (postmaster or don gero) in a world where archer is v, drake actually does have to have don gero I think? Idk how well that holds up bc hael apparently knew about the postmaster anyway. but obv we won’t who drake actually saw n2 until next loop edit: Also this doesn’t make a lot of sense - cuz if this was the case then why do i try to kill coco D1 of the next loop before they can actually use any of their rupees, what’s the point of it otherwise

oh hell naw xD why me…… Hael guess this means exactly one of coco/twin should be e, gonna say it’s coco and the villa is twin, just bc that explains burnt’s D1 stunt better

owned we go hael next? would it be really bad if we exe’d from the dead ppl pool tomorrow idk who yet but kinda want us to maybe focus there tmr, idc about the L1 tie but frankly hael isn’t posting like he’s got a team lol

Yeah honestly same, very unlikely for me since my schedule is kind of wack atm with the post-midnight sirens @Mistfallen Soldier or @Doc12 switch with me? People that can be online at eod best be on burnt for now I think, move at eod to form the numbers if needed Twin

hey guys If coco is v, elims will probs hammer on some villa last minute especially if they have bremen, bc it won’t matter if they get outed at that point (they might try shenanigans without outing themselves even if coco is e) so can we decide on exactly how many ppl we want on both the leading and the cw train and make it happen now, so we can try and ensure a potential hammer doesn’t happen also all of us shd try to be on at rollover for this reason, so if there’s any unexpected vote movements we can try and counter em (idk if I can be on, I can try but ideally at least the conf villas should be)

Burnt had no idea it was a tie rn lol what’s the exact vc can someone post it

yea, likely. & it’s probs hard to tell where there was a shift in mindset, if any, but I can try to take a look when I have the time to be very honest I have not given a lot of thought to archer’s alignment this loop and I don’t know if it’s smart to exe in the dead players list today so imma table that for now I think and revisit later no,,,u agreed to carry the kill this time, remember?

@|TJ| preflip burnt e - why do u think she didn’t self pres there? L2D1. genuine q cuz i think there might be something there. iirc both divergent and burnt were p on top of activity requirements rupees wise this is what she said abt it if it matters: was it the elims planning to use the loop? It was d1 after all, so could possibly indicate a busser in doc. But then, dunno why this team makes the explicit decision to win L1 and enters L2 trying to lose it. Maybe if dive and burnt are both e, but I still lean v on dive was she just frozen? possible i guess (the ash vote comes pretty last minute). maybe both?

ty! I dunno, sending PMs to each other means very little in either direction esp when it’s burnt and doc we’re talking about lol agreed, im more just confused why e!doc admits to not even trying to bid for that mask over simply lying and saying he did but failed. Cuz that’s how I’d go about it

lowk was hoping ash actually did have the mask and was trying to bait the nk,, this is so sad alexa play despacito @Mistfallen Soldier u can expect my activity level to remain as exactly this. I only get a limited window in the day to play and even that’s not always certain so…. can someone remind me why doc and burnt cannot be e/e? Was it just a vote from some previous cycle? or just link to a post explaining it I will say tho a point of hesitation for me is, if I were in e!doc’s shoes with e!burnt id have just instinctively gone all ‘oh I tried bidding for stone but I didn’t get it, sadge’ (there’s no way of verifying this right? u can’t track players to shop purchases idt) instead of just outright saying he didn’t even try for it,, that sorta makes it look like he deliberately abstained to let teammate burnt have better odds at grabbing it so im not sure what that should mean, if a teammate would’ve thought through the implications - OH and there was also a point yesterday where I thought maybe doc was lying to bait the nk as well but imo u should just reveal it now if this is the case, it’s counterintuitive not to @Doc12 if we think burnt has it then she should definitely be the leading wagon cuz otherwise they might not equip it to make it seem otherwise, if it hasn’t been equipped already. having them be top wagon should force an equip at least and someone sent me a crossword…how nice….ty

Right but mechanically what is stopping the stone person from also doing all this and equipping during the day, we don’t have any villa night kill power this game so..

How exactly does the Pm strat work with the OoA?

nah ash def doesnt, if this was a reaction test hed have revealed it by now instead of making us waste time for a whole turn

so doc e? ngl i just thought of something sick

uh no it wasnt a reaction test smh really i was just in a silly mood ...and some of it got lost in translation...dont worry about it xd tj has felt villagery ever since he got resurrected, i cant rly put my finger on the exact reason but he just generally feels like his village self now compared to the robotic version from before and he's making sensible arguments. light read tho, also partly hinges on coco being e wow....so did u visit ash n3 or no good question, ive internally kinda been on and off on that read. there's a part of me that just loves to be right in these games so i catch myself forcing a narrative in my head at times, so id like some discussion on my thoughts below. first ill direct u to my post from yesterday: tldr: at the moment i lean ever so slightly town than not, based on the fact that the ash NK on L2 N3 was completely unnecessary, numbers-wise, and rather gave us an advantage of 50 rupees. what does e!mist gain from this in a world where v!burnt? probably nothing, and mist as a player is always mechanically involved, based on my own experience as e with them, so im inclined to think theyd have known N3King ash is counterintuitive what does e!mist gain from this in a world where e!burnt? a strong unpairing, yes, and this was my initial thought - but realistically the definite risks do outweigh the potential reward, because in a flipless game u have to account for the fact that typically people are more likely to just exe them both just to be sure and then u also have the conf villa with 50 rupees. it works a lot better in a game with flips separately, i have a slightly cursed thought, that maybe the elims are working towards a strat where they deliberately nk ash thrice to get him to silver, which they then steal with circus. if this is the case then they only decided to go for it after the l2 d3 exe because then they would have known with certainty that they are not losing the loop (and this in turn would indicate one elim died somewhere in loop2/was close to dying towards the end). this doesnt exactly lend more credence to either a v!mist or e!mist world, or to either a v!burnt or e!burnt world, but it crossed my mind

Ok cool auto equipping hats means we can do both the pm thing and recheck via voting also seems optimal to make sure only confirmed villagers can bid on Romani during loop 4, it probably doesn’t matter who has it this loop if i understand it right

This means we can’t send PMs N1 right since equip is after receiving messages

^ we should force everyone to place a vote D2, pm strat doesn’t work bc those can be role blocked, signed falsely or the postman hat can be taken off etc edit: do PMs come before or after hat equipping? Can’t find the OoA

did feel like people were nodding along to it in the later stages of the last loop (werent u one of them lol?) but granted i mightve had it inflated in my head due to confirmation bias and if burnt rly is e trying to frame v mist then i should be pretty clear based on the fact that my entire worldview for the last like 3 cycles was built on this pairing, and in a world where im e it does not rly fit my 'agenda' - but this is irrelevant rn bc if this whole thing was in fact intended to distract from coco who's apparently loaded then burnt/coco exes should be enough to win. with coco first based on that logic ofc. i dont super care who goes out d3 the reason this makes sense is, when u think about it coco was catching a lot of heat last cycle just when the loop ended and was the CW, and it is reasonable to assume they would have been the biggest topic of discussion today if not for the watcher claim redirecting a lot of the talk towards burnt and mist. if coco is village (world B), then burnt is as well IMO because in that case elims dont rly need to lie about something like this and mist is actually e and while initially i got a bit giddy jumping to a different type of world B where burnt and mist came up with an insane risk gambit, it ultimately does make very little sense (sadly) bc of the trade off being so imbalanced - u didnt need to perform a night kill with the blast explosion taking out at least 1 extra villager. and on top of that u gave a conf villa 50 rupees... it kind of only makes sense if ur in world A where it's e!coco and ur trying to protect them for the D1 window where u can buy items. if burnt was the richer teammate they wouldve had coco do the gambit instead oh that was a lie :3 ive never had any

I received a pm from burnt around the end of Loop 1 in case u wanna add those to the calc Edit: under 100 words

Let’s try coco bc tj argument makes a lot of sense the more I think abt it

this is kinda a good point tho, the bolded especially has anybody kept a count of how much money coco and burnt should have rn based on claims?

that might just be to look towny - again, it seems to me burnt has good money rn so has more incentive to live. so she’ll be putting in an effort to actually look villagery over just relying on a mech claim let’s see tho