Shadowfax

I can't give specifics on age precisely. Mostly because it wasn't age-based but based off of the onset of puberty, which can vary in individuals. Once a child was seen to begin taking on the physical manifestations of adolescence, they would be, for lack of a better term, transferred to a new household... such as becoming squires. 12 seemed like the average age of a beginning squire, but I'm sure it's give or take a year or two. Children would be shipped off to monasteries, or taken as apprentices to various tradescrafts, or begin to study in earnest with tutors and such if they were females with high enough nobility. Peasantry did not really get to train with weapons, which is why it was relatively easy to conquer lands back then. Noble boys would squire, sometimes well into their 20s, but it really depended on who they learned from, how well they did, etc. It wasn't a formal education system like in a university. All that aside, if you started showing signs of puberty, you were fair game for more grown-up responsibilities. If you were a young female, even as young as say 9, and you started.. you know... you could be married off if it was beneficial. It's also highly dependent on culture. This is mostly from what we know of Anglo-Saxon culture during the medieval period around the time of the Crusades. It was also very common for soldiers to take their entire families with them while on campaign, no one seemed to think twice about kids being around, but they didn't really see combat. Squires acted mostly as aides and didn't really go into combat either. That being said, during Napoleon's era of warfare boys as young as 14 were conscripted for combat. Even American history has members of the military as young as 11 (there's record of a 13 year old receiving a Medal of Honor, and you have to be in the military to get that). Boys of this age were mostly used as drummer boys, not actual combatants, but they did see the front lines as they marched WITH the soldiers and were killed fairly often. So, if we compare Roshar to world history, it's not unreasonable to assume that young Radiants were sent into war, probably as the equivalent of squires, to aide the Knights that were responsible for their training. In fact, I think it would be extremely strange for that NOT to be the truth of it. The safest place for those squires would be with the men who were honor bound to train and protect them. EDIT: I want to be clear, they still were not regarded as adults. In most Anglo places you couldn't even inherit property or titles until you were 21. Adolescence was seen as it's own stage, more responsibility than a child, but not allowed to be running about on their own, like an adult. It was the period of time in which they were homed, clothed, fed and cared for by whomever was in charge of training them (be it as a soldier or a blacksmith or a shopkeeper). They had their own specific duties and were expected to fulfill their roles.

<raises hand> History major here. Yes, in the Middle Ages "children" is a loose term. Lifespan was maybe 40 years for the average peasant type person, so waiting until almost 20 to be an adult was a waste of resources. All over the world during that time, and even earlier, children as young as 6 were married off for political reasons, used as couriers/message runners in wartime, etc. There are more ways to use a child than to put them on the front lines of battle. If they had children Radiants, they could be used in such ways. You don't have to wield a blade to be useful.

Thanks Silk! And I promise, my future submissions won't be near this long

And not just any compounder, but custom-ordered compounding. Era 4 is going to be terrifying. I wouldn't be surprised if the ONLY access to alomancy and feruchemy are through medallions/science though. It's only Era 2 and the powers are already thinning out. It's been over 1300 years since the original Mistborn were created. At some point it will be bred out of society to the point of almost non-existence unless new ways of finding/manufacturing lerasium are found. It'll be interesting to see how Brandon handles this.

Now that would be funny. xD Wouldn't be surprised if it was silver though, since it's not allomantically inert but can't be burned. With a twist of sDNA, burn away! EDIT: What WOULD be super scary is if in Mistborn era 4 scientists have discovered how to gene splice into the spiritual.... Lab-made godmetals <shudder>

I appreciate that, and can understand. I don't want to feel like I'm taking up too much time from other people. But, yes the format would allow readers to choose which scenes to read (if not all) and easily break up the reading. I certainly won't be submitting 6k+ works all the time xD I don't think I could produce that many words that often with how often I stop to reorganize my timeline, notes, do worldbuilding additions, etc. Plus, on the 25th I'm packing a uhaul trailer and on the 26th beginning a cross country drive, so I will be out of commission for a bit. I can get and read submissions on my phone/tablet when we stop at night if there's wifi in the hotels but I won't be as active for a few days at least.

Have you read The Emporer's Soul? It's from that.

I don't think I'd be surprised if Felt turned out to be a kandra worldhopper. But I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't either. o.O We do that this WoB that makes me think whoever this kandra worldhopper is, they haven't had a big role in anything on-screen, because I think it would be memorable enough to the author is they had a speaking role lol

I just re-read all the Mistborn books and when I came across Felt's name something tugged at my brain, but I ignored it. I'm just beginning my re-read of WoK/WoR and I honestly didn't remember him in it, so now I'm looking forward to finding out why my brain tugged while I was reading Mistborn LOL I also doubt it's Frava. The look was one of disgust, rotten meat a metaphor. If she were a kandra rotten meat and disgust would not be in the same sentence LOL

I think this is the closest thing we have to knowledge on them. Investiture would explain why they are large and strong, even with the weaker gravity. It could be they are splinters of Honor similar to the spren.

I think it's because the bullet deflection isn't something that would naturally occur using Earth's sciences. The barrier isn't a barrier or something that's being "hit" so much as it's a change in kinetic energy gain/consumption/expenditure and it would have made the bubbles way to overpowered.

I think I read somewhere (I'd have to find it, so give me a few) that Brandon decide to do it that way because the physics wouldn't apply in the way he needed the magic to work and it was one of the only times he really fuzzed the line to force the magic without aligning it with real-world scientific application of physics, gravity, etc, whatnot. BRB I'm going to go look for the thing I'm referencing. EDIT: Here are some things: From AoL Annotations Ch. 6 It's in reference to Wax's weight abilities, but it is clear that he acknowledges the wonkiness of the speed bubble mess. In the Chapter 12 annotation he goes into speed bubble science a lot more: http://brandonsanderson.com/annotation-the-alloy-of-law-chapter-twelve/

My future submissions will be single chapters and arent' likely to exceed the 5k mark, so part of me is like... this 6k+ thing is really only a one time deal, but then, I can't actually 100% guarantee that a chapter will NEVER go over 5k. I just don't really plan on them being that long. Also, the "scenes" in my submission are named, but only to tell them apart. My chapters aren't actually going to have names or anything, just plain ole chapter numbers and some interesting runic inscriptions that I have to design still, but all my frawing pens are packed for my move to Missouri so that's def on hold atm LOL

I've been working on my submission (just in case I get to) but my word count is a tad on the higher side. I have taken out the 2 incomplete scenes, but one scene got added to as Iwoke up in the middle of thenight and was like THIS IS HOW IT GOES and had to write it in. The submission is a collection of the completed "scenes" I have so far. They are not chapters. There are 10 scenes, and some are as short as 150ish words with most in the 200-600 word range. But the total word count of all 10 scenes is 6660, and I'm worried that it may be too long. That said, the reason for this submission is to get feedback on the current scenes so I know how to take this project forward, to know which of them work and which don't, and in which ways. I also know what it will be a few weeks before I will be ready to submit again and the feedback from this is what will fuel me for those few weeks. Any objections to a read this long? An upside is, since they are individual scenes you can feel free to read only the ones you want, and there are easy stopping points. But, if I have to cut some out of the submission, let me know. It will take me a couple days to figure out which ones I can set aside for now. Thank you!

I didn't even see this thread when I was browsing clubs the other day. I WANNA JOIN! I've read the books and suffered the movies and try to force the BBC reboot on everyone I come in contact with. <3 <3 <3

LOL I just replied to your thread http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/53551-speculation-about-frost’s-role-in-the-shattering/ and included that I thought this was so. I mentioned something about this in one of my posts the other day as well. I'm beginning to be a firm believe in that Adolnasium did know what was going to happen, and instead of fighting it, formed a plan about it.

I've been developing and researching a pet theory of my own regarding those 2 and the 17th and the Shattering and a lot of what you say sort of, but not quite, matches what I have been putting together. But I'm also not done with my research yet, so who knows what my end theory will end up saying lol I think you definitely make some good points though, and I agree, Frost and Hoid are definitely involved in the pre-Shattering plot against Adolnasium. I'm just not convinced it's entirely in the way you've described. I think Frost may have been leading the decision to Shatter good ole A', and was part of the "group" that became the 17th Shard. I think the 17th Shard is working very hard to keep Adolnasium from being put back together again, something Frost agreed with at first, but as he's lived SO long now, can see both sides to what he was part of and has now decided to have no part in it whatsoever. Guilt, perhaps, for his role in the devastation brought to so many planets, and the killing of Vessels and Splintering of Shards? Frost may still believe they did the right thing, but also won't betray Hoid to the 17th, they are after all, old friends. Hoid, then is attempting to restore Adolnasium, collecting bits of each Shard he finds, looking for clues and for the one Thing that will bring him to the end of his quest. I wouldn't be surprised if Rayse felt betrayed by Hoid. I think Hoid was also originally part of the group that was planning to Shatter Adolnasium, but instead warned Adolnasium of what was being planned (EDIT: the other thing I've been wondering about is if Adolnasium had Shardic furture sight, which would have also given him a heads up. END EDIT), effectively betraying the entire group of people he was working with. Adolnasium then prepared for what was about to happen to him, and Hoid has made it his goal to figure out that plan and see it come to pass. So, I think the 17th Shard *wants* to keep Adolnasium split. Frost agrees with them, but does not actively aid them. I think you're on to something with the Splintered Shards having given Frost and Hoid their "powers" though, as payment. Frost could, essentially, hold "power" from Endowment (different to, but along the same lines of how Returned are effectively immortal" and Hoid's payment could have been given by Ruin/Preservation, as we know Feruchemy was the first magic on Scadrial and that they created that planet together. It makes sense the Shards would have had early manifestations of how their powers would have worked, just not developed or as formative as they were on the planets years and years later. So Hoid can essentially "use" Feruchemy, but he's not a Feruchemist. Frost is functionally immortal, but not Returned. When I get around to posting my theory I'll have my list of WoBs and excerpts to help support some of this.

<3 I can't wait for Monday! Now I just have to convince myself to crawl out of bed, put my contacts in and get on my laptop to work. I'm on my tablet right now which is not conducive to word count progression lolol

Perhaps a bit of foreshadowing of this in the first few chapters? I know, personally, if Baxter started using notes later on my first reaction will be, why hasn't he ever used them before... Drunk, amnesia, yes... but this could easily be fixed by adding something as simple as, "But why does it have to be me Baxter, didn't you bring your notebook or are you too forked to remember it" in chapter one. Perhaps there are sticky notes clinging to the leather seats in his car when he wakes up in the back seat, but the writing is unintelligible. Baxter's PoV is the only one we experience first hand, but it's not the only one that exists. Imagine the scenes from another character's PoV: what would stick out to them? 5 bucks that in Baxter's state of mind, it would stick out to him as well. He literally can't take anything for granted.

Oh nice. I've been putting together a submission just in case, anyhow, so I'll be ready if that does come to pass.

I'm excited too. I still haven't heard back from Silk, so I have no idea ifI can submit Monday or if I'll even get the submissions. I guess we'll see. In the meantime, I'm hard at work

Oh, no my line about not being enough to sum it up was in agreement of you saying we need more reminders. The readers are getting plenty of "this guy is a chull" but we need to be reminded he's really just broken and there are parts of himself he can't really control. And yes, I had to study the film in depth in my Greek Literature class (yes, you read that right). We were comparing/contrasting the basic themes in it to the play Oedipus Rex (quick version, hubris will get you every time). That said, no tats are out, BUT there are SO many clues in it on how to convey a single PoV character with no memory of recent events, and even better, how to shove plot at the main character - including FALSE PLOT, wooo!. If you don't own it Marci, buy it. Put it on repeat and watch it 50 times. Write it off on your taxes as a business expense xD

I also literally just thought of this but... one great example of how to deal with a main character (and SOLE PoV) who has amnesia is Memento. His is even a bit worse in some regards, and yet it's pulled off brilliantly. Perhaps there could be some ideas gotten from that.

This just gave me goosebumps all over. Kudos. And an upvote.

LOLOLOLOL He's probably pacing the room, trying to offer it pickles in trade for information. The rusting thing just blinks at him impassively. Maybe poor computer needs a good hat.