Kingsdaughter613

They weren't TLR's bands. It was Kelsier's spearhead. They were created by storing identity and investiture. How Kelsier came back... Good question! When he became a feruchemist... Even better! The Survivor/Sovereign has managed to confuse us all.

Easy. No metalminds allowed during testing. No burning metals either. If you do it anyway, well, here's the door...

I think it may well be legalized in a similar manner to organ donation. Whether or not it is ethical will likely be argued by many in world characters.

One possibility is that the Survivorists may allow it, depending on their reaction to Kelsier's use of it. That would be a major shift from the RL Catholic Church which does not allow euthanasia. This opens the possibility of greater acceptance. (As an aside, I REALLY want to see how the Survivorists react to the Sovereign...Major theological upheaval incoming!) The Southerners, if the excisors are spikes, are clearly somewhat comfortable with the idea. (I rather think that the Southerners fire parents are reusing the same spikes over and over.)

However, there would likely be many major laws about when and where Hemalurgy can be used. And terrible penalties for violating the laws.

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Feruchemical zinc could work too, especially paired with Allomantic tin. You would be thinking fast enough, with sharp enough senses to see how the Atium burner reacts to your potential action, allowing you to change said action before it occurs, thereby splitting your Atium shadow.

So it was confirmed that that was when the switch happened? I must have missed that. Thanks for the info!

But I thought the Kandra created blood when they impersonated someone? Mist wraiths don't seem red tinged, so I doubt their blood is the same as humans.

We didn't know of ambition when we got the WoB. We hadn't seen him yet. That's why I say it can't be him.

The Selish Shards seem to be the most shattered to me, due to being stuck in the Cognitive realm.

Trell is confirmed to be a Shard we know of. At the time that happened we knew of Harmony, Autonomy, Odium, Cultivation, Honor, Dominion, Devotion and Endowment. We also know it isn't Edgli. D&D are splintered as is Honor. That leaves Autonomy, Odium, Cultivation and Harmony himself as our options for Trell.

As an aside, I wonder if the Shard opposite Ambition is Humility?

That wasn't OreSeur...

Thank you.

I have a non verbal learning disability which, for me, presents a lot like aspergers (which presents differently than many other ASDs). Steris' experiences felt very similar to my own. I also have no problem expressing emotion. I have also learned to do things (such as making eye contact) by rote.

Actually, many people with Aspergers are very self aware and find it easy to express their thoughts and feelings. The problem is doing so in an appropriate manner and setting. The other problem is trying to make sense of people who don't say what they are feeling, but couch it in social mores and cues which is where the difficulty lies. (This is one of the reasons Aspergers being put on the ASD list is still being argued. DSM 6 may switch it up again.)

I don't know who you know with Mental illness or disability, but the ones I have worked run through a rather extensive spectrum. Some are self conscious, some are not. People with Down's Syndrome tend not to be self centered. One of the nicest people in my school had terrible Cerebral Palsy. Just as people without Mental illnesses or disabilities can be selfish, so can those with.

FYI, I'm training to be a therapist, and have worked about 150 hours in different psychiatric settings. I've seen a lot of different people with different types of mental difficulties and they were each unique and different.

Suspected throughout (I knew it couldn't be Rashek.) Oddly, I realized Kelsier was coming back BEFORE I was certain of the Sovereign's identity. Marasi's graveyard monologue tipped me off to the former and Allik's description of the Sovereign confirmed the latter. Still shocked he came back in this series though! (I expected it to be in the 1980's one...)

I'll have to check it out!

And the MAG turned out to be totally wrong with regard to how certain feruchemical powers worked. So I'm not going to assume it's accurate until the books confirm it.

The only thing I can find is the old (inaccurate) ars arcanum from Mistborn. The hemalurgic abilities of metals are not listed in the new books.

And I can't find anything on theoryland about it either. If the source is from that ars arcanum it may be wrong...

3 hours ago, Itchy Savant said:

That's why he makes a good point with mistwraith. The flexibility of their anatomy plus kel's identiry/spiritual view should be enough to make an exact look alike 

She. I'm a girl...

I actually think Kell's long life is due to his soul knowing he died at 38. Dead people don't age. So his soul 'knows' he can't possibly be aging and therefore he doesn't age. Sort of the reverse of TLR...

I meant more that for abilities a spike can steal one of four things, but only one kind of attribute can be stolen? It feels like something doesn't add up. 

The metal groups aren't just Khriss theorizing; all the physical allomantic metals are stolen by one type of metal. Ditto for the feruchmical physical quadrant. So there is clearly a reason certain metals are grouped together. Whether or not the quadrant names are accurate is another matter, but the groupings seem to involve an underlying function of the metallic arts.

Just learned that Brass and Electrum's feruchemical abilities were switched by mistake. That explains something I've been wondering about... I need to check the coppermind more often. Still confused though; Shouldn't nicrosil steal enhancement powers and electrum hybrid ones? Why would Duralumin and Aluminum steal powers? None of the others work that way... The others seem to work: base steals attribute and Alloy steals powers. Could someone lead me to the words of Brandon explaining this?

Once we are going down that route, why a Kandra? Wouldn't a Mistwraith be preferable?

There were others. Harmony probably didn't bother listing them as it would be meaningless to most Scadrians. They hade no connection to anyone so why should they care?

4 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Trellium was used in all of Bleeder's spikes so f-steel and a-steel. In addition, it was used in the creation of the chimeras, indicating the ability to steal a non-ability attribute as well.

Thats why I said the physical quadrant. It includes both a and f steel. We've seen hemalurgic creations that did not use human attributes: the inquisitors. Until we know otherwise my theory is physical quadrant attributes. Possibly Iron too. (It seems odd that Iron steals only one thing. Actually, all the human attributes seem odd. I keep thinking it should be human physical attributes,  human mental attributes, etc. to fit closer to the allomantic/feruchemical groups...)

I actually think only Lerasium can steal the connection to Preservation. We don't know enough though.

We are not told what material the spikes  used by the set. They aren't said to be unusual, so we don't know...

Right now we know that Trellium steals steel. That's something at least. It may only steal physical abilities then. It could be limited to just steal or can steal both a and f abilities, but not human attributes.

Something to ask Brandon then: is Trellium limited to the physical abilities? (What I think is most likely?)

The lord ruler's metal minds were not spikes; I believe the older WoB was clarified in a more recent one. 

I think we are using the same word differently; I call splicing a rewriting, especially when the result is no longer human.

Without knowing what Trellium is we don't necessarily know what it does. Can someone look up SOS and find out which abilities we've seen it steal. All I recall offhand is F steel.

Hemalurgy is all about rewriting the spirit web. Atium can steal any aspect from the spirit web and splice it onto someone else. So there is clearly a connection... and using Hemalurgy does impart a stronger connection to Ruin; we've seen that. It would make sense to me that a blank Atium spike should do this to an even greater extent as the effect would be caused directly by Ruin's investiture (as opposed to merely being the passive power source for the spirit web splice.) Provided we are correct that such a spike would have an effect that is.

Electrum plus f chromium? I think that could have some potential depending on how f chromium actually works.

Not really. Only fullborn. I have wondered about it though. My favorites are a feruchemist coinshot, and a mistborn trueself.

Something mental or temporal I would suspect, as Lerasium falls under physical/enhancement... Lerasium's side effect fits that, anyway. Alternatively, just as Lerasium imparts a stronger connection to Preservation, an Atium spike could impart a stronger connection to Ruin (more so than the basic connection granted by a spike) though what that would do remains a question. I like the 'instinctive knowledge of hemalurgic bind points' though, especially since it fits the mental aspect of Atium.

Being able to use harmonium to fuel feruchemy is part of the theory I mentioned. I don't remember which thread I posted the whole thing down in though... it's been a while since I thought about it.