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I don't think Odium is a good guy, but I'm still holding out hope for him having a better motivation than sheer desire to be the top dog in the Cosmere. I think it'd be more interesting if he actually was sort of right about how harmful it is to break the terms of the promise they made to one another, and that they actually did have a good reason to get rid of Adonalsium.

Just that really. It's been a bit quiet here recently, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard anything about the Steelheart movie that was announced to be in the works in 2015. I was actually fairly excited about this project back when it got announced!

As far as what I remember about this:

Movie rights owned by 20th Century Fox. Screenwriting by Carter Blanchard, and unlike most Sanderson IPs that just get their movie rights bought and then not heard about since, this project was actually announced which means it should eventually make it onto the screen. Then in 2016 or so Disney acquired 20th Century Fox. Has the project been suspended now? Is it still being worked on?

Ahh yes, that Hoid lad. He's a bit suspicious eh? Bet someone should be looking into that.

Also please keep in mind that Adolin blames Sadeas for his mother's death. It was Sadeas who took the blame for burning down Rathalas, remember? And do we know if this factored at all into his snap decision to murder him? What's going to happen when Adolin finds out that the one he blamed for his mother's death - the one he thought he'd already put behind him - was suddenly standing in front of him again? What kind of trauma is this going to trigger in him, if any? It's not going to be an easy revelation to accept for him.

Would be kind of lame if Adolin found out about this from a book. I at least anticipate this to be a big scene between Adolin, Renarin and Dalinar. I'll be disappointed if it isn't given the weight and time it deserves.

The WAR novel itself is incredibly bad. It honestly reads like a poorly planned-out first or second draft, and most of the book is literally exposition. There's no dramatic arc to the plot, it's literally just the climax of the story (the final battle against Nick Bolas) 

Going back to CotN though, Davriel is basically just Lightsong isn't he? He's witty and secretly hates himself, and he's actually an accountant at heart (or in previous life). And Miss Highwater you could almost say is Blushweaver 2.0. 

Trap and immobilize them, then harvest their souls with Hemalurgy.

Hmm hmm. I'd probably ask something really pointed. Or something sly. Like if she remembers that assassin she hired back on the day of Gavilar's death. Or what she thinks about Hoid. Or whether she's heard rumours about a mythical figure who's all about secrets. Or if she knows the connection between Szeth's weapon and her family's former blade instructor. It'd be questions like that. I don't find questioning her beliefs, morals or past the most interesting thing to do, considering that I already have a pretty good idea of them. And her past is none of my business, not yet at least. 

In any world but a perfect one, Kelsier *is* a hero. I break a little from Sanderson's line of thinking here, but here's my reasoning for it. Kelsier *hates* nobility, and there is no world in which a "nobility" - an overclass that has access to a majority of the resources while others don't - is something that should not be abolished. While his methods are villainous, I think that Kelsier would ultimately always be a force for good because he always aligns himself against the overclass. 

The explanation is that Davriel's trying to hide his identity and his powers. Supposedly in the actual plot he doesn't call himself "Davriel" (and indeed the planeswalker card is a snapshot of him where he's about to wipe out his name from the card) - the cards only carry that name for rules purposes. 

BWAAAAGH 

2 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Right up until she asked him to stop. Which he did. 

Kaladin's struggles with delegating authority is a control issue. If he doesn't take care of it, they could get hurt. If he doesn't know where someone is he can't protect them. 

The difference between his treatment of Shallan, and his treatment of Bridge Four is that he doesn't view Shallan as his responsibility. She's not someone who he's supposed to take care of. 

If their relationship actually went somewhere, I don't think that would hold. 

I'm not quite sure if Kaladin has even had the opportunity to delegate authority so far - consider that he has been the lone Radiant among Bridge Four for almost the entirety of the three books. And I really haven't seen much of a problem in that regard in Kaladin either way, the larger issue is that he keeps blaming himself for everything that happens. Now that Teft has joined him on the third stage of Radiancy I doubt Kal's just going to keep hogging all of the authority to himself. He might still want to take all of the responsibility himself but he might just as well listen to reason once someone brings the issue up with him, just like Adolin did. 

4 hours ago, DDwindrunnerFB43 said:

I understand why you think this. I think it’s hinted at a bit in some scenes(sorry no specifics, haven’t read SA in a while). But to me, more than anything, it’s a gut feeling that if he was in a relationship, he wouldn’t let his partner be themselves. I feel like he’d always be overprotective and be scared over every little thing that had a chance of hurting her. Maybe possessive and controlling is a bit harsh, but I can’t think of a better way to describe how he’d be in a relationship at this point. Just my opinion and gut more than anything tbh. 

This is directly contradicted by what happened in the books, both in WoR and in Oathbringer. Kaladin was the one who understood Shallan's strength and let her do her thing whereas Adolin was the overprotective, stifling one. Moreover, Kaladin's not dumb - he knows that a Radiant is more than capable of protecting themselves against any conventional foes.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEAD ANGEL'S SOUL???

Also, are Davriel and Highwater actually lovers? They really behave like they are. 

I mean, if we're talking realistically, you can't pin down a Shardbearer with a squad of people with hammers. He'll jump away at worst. How about a squad of crossbowmen? That's a bunch of kinetic energy. Might destroy Shardplate fairly easily after repeated hits.

I don't see why you should need hammers or the such. Spears and long pikes seem like the more economical option.

Right now her behaviour with Adolin seems more like another coping mechanism to me. Still remains to be seen if it'll work out between them - Adolin hardly knows anything about Shallan's actual moral convictions and personality at this point. If anything, I hope Adolin will be portrayed as more Alethi in the future, as more gritty, pragmatic and impulsive, because that's arguably the kind of person he really is deep down beneath the layers of princely charm and friendly demeanor. 

Also y u no show wedding ;_; i wanted to see that, when the book cut off just before the big moment I was very disappoint

In Oathbringer Dalinar is portrayed as a little too perfect IMO. With him he's either portrayed as totally useless (drunk, moping about in his room) or as a literal force of nature who is ultimately always correct and whose methods always work. In WoK and WoR his methods and morals sometimes caused him to fail, but in OB he doesn't. His characterization felt flat in OB (though this wasn't a problem unique to Dalinar).

As a sort of an aside, I find it somewhat strange that we are talking about what was our main disappointment in this series. As far as I know, Stormlight isn't even halfway complete! 

That being said, some of the plot threads have been unfulfilling. Amaram came out of nowhere. Moash's heel-face turn (why does wanting a revolution automatically translate to "let's kill all of the humans"? Moash doesn't have any agency as a character, nor a plan besides a nihilistic declaration of "i just want to kill people"). Adolin not being given enough page-time. And Lift. Oh, god. You could literally remove her from the story entirely and nothing would change. I feel like she's been handled poorly so far. 

Who cares who has the "right"? It's an arbitrary concept that can be given to you after the fact, or not. Adolin did the only right thing at the time. It's an apocalypse, and there's a guy who doesn't care about it because they're too salty and bitter about losing a personal power struggle that has already become meaningless.

Honorspren see things differently than other spren. Certain spren would likely approve of Adolin's actions while others would not, just like with people. I doubt Kaladin is going to have a massive issue with it.

The lack of believable consequences (or the decision not to show them, as was the case with Sadeas' army) is something that is generally true for any action committed in the series, not just the Sadeas murder. It's just not a focus of these books, and that's fine.

Anyone can theoretically swear the First Ideal, but the strength of your conviction in it is one of the deciding factors in how far you can progress as a Radiant.

Jasnah is not unstable like that, there's absolutely no textual evidence to support that. She was probably the least unstable person around (after Daddy Dalinar) during the Battle of Thaylen - which was as big a crisis as they come, really. She didn't freak out on Renarin, either. On what basis are you saying that she's going to flip out at Szeth?

@Winds Alight said it well. Past trauma does not mean one is prone to instability, and Jasnah has had decades to deal with hers. Though I don't think Amaram was the abuser - if that was the case, I think Jasnah would just have killed him on the spot instead of bothering to waste words on him.